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Keyboards!
Not a great picture, but here's mine:


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Reply #25
I use right Ctrl for e.g. Ctrl + A, C, and V. That is, its use is the same as right Shift.

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BUT WHAT DO YOU NEED CAPS LOCK FOR?*


Me, most commonly when I have Chinese-enabled keyboard in front of me, usually not my own, and I am too lazy to check which of a dozen different Chinese composition input method is used to disable them and make sure they stay disabled. None of these method, to my knowledge,  compose UPPERCASE, so typing an URL for instance is much less annoying. This, I suspect, will increase the use of upper-case Latin letters in mixed western/Chinese messages, as it is a whole lot faster/convenient.

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I'd imagine a Western QWERTY keyboard would map reasonably well to related alphabets like Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic. However, for a language like Chinese it must be horrible. Then again, I hear young Chinese people primarily use Pinyin for Chinese-character input.

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Reply #28

I use right Ctrl for e.g. Ctrl + A, C, and V. That is, its use is the same as right Shift.
Compared to you, I am left-handed. I don't use right Shift either, ever.


I'd imagine a Western QWERTY keyboard would map reasonably well to related alphabets like Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic. However, for a language like Chinese it must be horrible. Then again, I hear young Chinese people primarily use Pinyin for Chinese-character input.

I wouldn't call Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew and Arabic related. The only thing that is related to Latin is that they are all alphabets. To non-natives it's always hard to switch between them. It requires training. I am amazed how well-trained Greeks and Russians often are when they switch to a Latin-based layout and begin typing.

Chinese is another matter. It's not an alphabet. What I have heard is that they type letters based on pinyin and at the same time on the screen the selection of the actually needed mark narrows down. I don't know if there could be any other ways to make Chinese work on keyboards.

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I'd imagine a Western QWERTY keyboard would map reasonably well to related alphabets like Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, and Arabic. However, for a language like Chinese it must be horrible. Then again, I hear young Chinese people primarily use Pinyin for Chinese-character input.


The majority of composing methods use Pinyin, there are also some that are more related to the characters themselves, and a few other method. It is easy to fit, uses an ASCII (unless diacritical marks are included), and younger Chinese learn Pinyin at school anyway. With Pinyin QWERTZ and AZERTY would be horrible, as the Pinzin transcription uses Y, Z, W, Q, and A a lot, while these are relatively rare letters in English.

A huge advantage with Pinyin is that it allows alphabetical sorting, which is a lot more convenient, to me anyways, than the alternatives. You sort by Pinyin, then by diacritics (tone marks), and then handle any remaining ambiguity by some other algorithm.

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I wouldn't call Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew and Arabic related. The only thing that is related to Latin is that they are all alphabets. To non-natives it's always hard to switch between them. It requires training. I am amazed how well-trained Greeks and Russians often are when they switch to a Latin-based layout and begin typing.

I was talking about the potential serviceability of the same physical structure, not any particular key mappings -- although one might imagine the numbers would be in the same place. I call these alphabets related for the simple fact that they are: all these alphabets come from the same Phoenician source. Some characters can be traced back even further to Egyptian hieroglyphics and the Sinai desert.

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Reply #31
Speaking of hieroglyphs, for their customisation, they are still quite typewriter-ish in nature. They don't fully take advantage of the switch to Unicode. It should be possible to combine phoney keyboard intelligence and Chinese composing techniques to compose the right Unicode characters at need.

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Reply #32
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Mine is practically the same (without the right number section) - except that I have a "print" button betwixt the right "Alt" and "Ctrl".
You're lucky to have 2 Enters, huh?;)

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betwixt

The 14th century called. They want their word back. :P

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Reply #34
I found that in RJ's lexicon!..
Did he call? :lol:

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It's still used in Scottish English, true.

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Reply #36
A pic of the laptop that I talk about here


And my Packard Bell netbook

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A pic of the laptop that I talk about here
Same as mine - except for the "print" button.
Where is it? Is it?

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Same as mine - except for the "print" button.
Where is it? Is it?

You mean Print Screen? There's no dedicated button for this. There's Insert next to Delete (top right corner). Print Screen is the other function of Insert. Next to left Ctrl is the Fn button that changes the function.

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Reply #39
You mean Print Screen?
No, I meant the printer 'print' button.
Sorry, I couldn't see your "F" row clearly.

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Reply #40
No, I meant the printer 'print' button.

That's probably one of those function keys I don't care for because you've already got Ctrl + P everywhere. (And where Ctrl + P doesn't work, chances are the dedicated print key won't work anyway.)

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Reply #41
So far it hasn't been needed anyway.

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I didn't even know there was a printer print button in computers. In my early years with computers, I thought PrintScr would send screen capture to the printer, if the printer were connected. Otherwise it didn't seem to do anything in Windows. I only discovered later you have to open up an image editor and paste there to see what the PrintScr key had done, that it actually had a function.

But Linux desktops make it flashily clear what PrintScr does. Cool.

By the way, it's quite useful to have different operating systems. I was trying to figure out someone's scanner problems. Trying with different machines with different operating systems I figured out it was not a software issue. The scanner itself had retired. Problem solved :)

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But Linux desktops make it flashily clear what PrintScr does. Cool.

Install e.g. Greenshot in Windows.

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Tell me better about screenshot apps in Android. What do you have?

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Reply #45
I believe pressing power and volume down together takes a screenshot on most devices. In my case, it's simply an entry on the reboot/shutdown menu. No apps.

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I believe pressing power and volume down together takes a screenshot on most devices. In my case, it's simply an entry on the reboot/shutdown menu. No apps.
On most devices? Why didn't it ever work on any of my devices? Also not on the current one: LG-P500 Android 2.3.3. The power/volume button conjunction doesn't work, and I obviously would have noticed screenshot in the shutdown menu. It's not there, never was. And YT says I must find the right app http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_6K590Yq4

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On most devices? Why didn't it ever work on any of my devices? Also not on the current one: LG-P500 Android 2.3.3.

Sorry, most devices with Android 4.0 or higher. A quick search suggests power + home should work on yours.

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Reply #48
How I wish it worked this way. It doesn't. I have installed an app to have a different home screen. I switched it off and kept trying the power+home button combo. Luckless me :(

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Reply #49
Here are some thoughts on more efficient keyboard use: http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_function_keys.html

I admit I could probably get a lot more use out of my function keys by remapping them. The only change I've made to the default US International layout is using "Caps Lock" as "Compose".

On a separate note, I came across this interesting portable keyboard. It'd work with my Android phone's USB OTG functionality, making it potentially useful in certain use cases. It'd be more pleasant to use than my netbook's keyboard, but on the other hand the netbook is definitely a lot more capable than my phone...