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  • Sparta
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what's going on in france
if le pen elected, will france really will do brexit ?

  • krake
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Absolutely not.
The term "Brexit" was coined for Britons.

  • Barulheira
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Brexit
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We could have a "Brexit", but we are out already.

  • ersi
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For France it would be Frexit. And it's not going to happen even if Le Pen were to win.

  • Belfrager
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Le Pen just wants to put the f** Germans in their place, not to leave the deal with them for both dominating Europe.
Anyway, she's going nowhere with the actual electoral French system, all the others will vote against her.

What's really interesting about the French elections is the end of traditional parties. Nothing else.

French elections are not for being analyzed by alliens. Even if Trump would love to be a Le Pen, the poor idiot doesn't have the balls.

  • Last Edit: 2017-04-25, 00:00:09 by Belfrager
A matter of attitude.

  • Sparta
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frexit


  • Jochie
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You read the media and all the scare stories, one would think LePen is a rising superstar. Controversy sells.

However, the reality is in 2012 she had 18% of the vote. Now, in 2017, she has 21%.

  • Sparta
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is she make frexit as agenda to raise her popularity to gain more voters.

or she do that because it is best for france?

  • OakdaleFTL
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进行 ...
"Humor is emotional chaos remembered in tranquility." - James Thurber
No one listens to me as much as I do and even I have my limits...
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts!" - Richard Feynman

  • rjhowie
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France is in a mess and a very sad place. That the National front leader did so well says much although I think she will not win the Presidency.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Belfrager
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France, as always, is leading the way with the fall of traditional parties.
Soon, there will be no more of this parties guilty of opressing populations for so long.
Be it on Europe or in all the rest of the western world.

A new revolution is arriving.
A matter of attitude.

  • jax
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The Death and Life of Social Democracy

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The Anglo-American press may still be obsessed with Le Pen, who will face off against Macron in the second round, but Macron's rise is the real story out of this turbulent election. He beat out Le Pen, who has led first round polls since they began in 2013. His party did not exist a year ago; like Trump, he was never elected into office before launching his movement, although he served in an unpopular administration. Macron was also bitterly criticized for his passionate defense of European ideals. And yet, the outsider has now swiftly secured the endorsement of the defeated Socialist candidate, Benoît Hamon, as well as that of François Fillon, leader of the rebranded Gaullists. The youngest French leadership since Bonaparte is now within reach, to the detriment of populists and tired establishment parties alike.

Ultimately, political parties come and go; so do ideologies. What is at stake in Europe's busy 2017 electoral calendar is not merely the overhyped rise of populism, but also the electoral relevance of social democratic values in the post-industrial age. Pasokización is a plausible outcome, and it is indeed afflicting establishment parties that have failed to answer (valid) questions posed by populists. Yet the most likely electoral result in France, and potentially in Italy within a year, suggests that it is not yet time to throw social udemocracy to the dustbin of history. Deserting the center seems like a worse strategy than energizing its base with reformist, uncorrupted, future-oriented leadership. There is a market for such leaders, if only the appropriate politician dares to make such a case.
The writer is confused. Macron is no Social Democrat and not centre-left, rather centre-centre or centre-left/centre-right/whatever. He's right that Macron, not LePen, is the story.

  • krake
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A new revolution is arriving.
Led by Macron, the new French darling of Berlin. :)

  • Belfrager
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A new revolution is arriving.
Led by Macron, the new French darling of Berlin. :)

The French Socialist Party has finished, the Republicans the same, that's a revolution. That's the equivalent to the end of Democrat and Republican parties in the USA.

Macron, I don't know what he is, Berlin darling or whatever, but I know he doesn't even have a party.

Soon, we'll be able to understand and analyze what's going on, not right now.
A matter of attitude.

  • krake
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Macron, I don't know what he is, Berlin darling or whatever, but I know he doesn't even have a party.
Correct, he doesn't even have a party and this is the main reason for being the darling. ;)
A toothless tiger at best or a toothless tomcat at worst.

  • rjhowie
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Yeah he is a toothless person. He jumped from his normal political corner because he knew it was going nowhere. Interesting to see Belfrager going down the tubes on political nonsense. Hhhm but maybe in wider tolerance he comes from a messed up country that depends on handouts and cap touching to exist.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Belfrager
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While Krake and Rjhowie enters into allucination, Obama gives his support to Macron (as if any French would care about an American's support) and Le Pen get's severely hurted at the top TV debate.

France is the most influencing and exemplar Nation in Europe, despite Germany being the most powerful finantial occupiers.
Next Sunday I hope German dictatorship to start falling with the arise of the France Nation.

Allons enfants de la patrie
le jour de gloire est arrivé...
A matter of attitude.

  • Belfrager
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France has turned into an American suburb...
I hope I'm wrong.
A matter of attitude.

  • rjhowie
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I think you are in danger dear Belfrager of living in cloud cuckoo land of your mumblings about traditional politics being removed and replaced by your attitude. More chance of me kissing the Pope's ring that that!  :hat:
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Sparta
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so, macron win as expected.

btw is the winning of centrism in france can affect political climate in the world ?

  • jax
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Unlike the US presidency the primary damage a French president would do would be to his own country. Like the US (and Russian) the French presidency is powerful and non-parliamentarian, a president has the leeway to do a lot of strange things on their own, and historically they have. More outside the EU than inside, where there are more checks and balances.

Neither candidate had party support in the parliament (National Front has 2/577 delegates in the National Assembly, Macron has none). That puts him in an interesting position. He might become ineffectual, like Sarkozy who came up with three new schemes every morning, pulling through with hardly any of them, and eventually alienating everyone inside or outside of France, or Hollande, who managed to do the same thing without coming up with any schemes. I think that may be the most likely outcome, but I have never really gotten into French politics.

 It may also be that he is shrewder than we think, and that could have long-lasting consequences, particularly for the EU, and I am not sure we're going to like it. The EU has not been in such a strong position as now for about 20 years. The last time was in the middle 1990's when the dust from the collapse of the Iron Curtain had mostly settled. We got the Maastricht Treaty and the EU enlargement. The latter buried any hope of the French ruling classes to dominate the EU, the former reduced the rulers' possibilities to dominate France (offset by better possibilities inside and outside the EU). With Britain gone there might come some French-German power moves on level with Maastricht in their combined impact.


  • rjhowie
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The French are bunch of emotional frenzy style people. An awful lot of Frenchies didn't even vote! The National Front got a third of the votes so the overall picture tells more. Whoever won makes little difference as it is the 4th Reich that runs Europe.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Belfrager
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frenzy style people
Hey Frenzie, you are creating school.. with good wine and cheese. :)
A matter of attitude.

  • Belfrager
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The EU has not been in such a strong position as now for about 20 years
Care to ellucidate what is the "such a strong position" the EU has now?
Never, ever, the EU was at such low position.

The British traison doesn't make a stronger EU. Punish the traitors, I agree with that, but nobody should think that France can stop Germany. Never.
Is not possible to have a strong EU, while Germany is illegally deciding everything about Europe.
An invisible Reich, the fourth I suppose.
Europe is under occupation.
A matter of attitude.

  • Frenzie
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frenzy style people
Hey Frenzie, you are creating school.. with good wine and cheese. :)
L'état, c'est moi ! :p