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  • rjhowie
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Scottish Nationalist stupid man
Recently re the Scottish Parliament there was a review on island matters and an SNP member of the parliament in Edinburgh came out querying whether Skye could still be regarded as an island as these days it had a bridge to the nearby mainland (!)? Now that balloon John Mason MSP has said stupid stuff before but this is head shaking. If we followed that stupidity then is mainland britain still an island as it has a rail tunnel across the English Channel// (groan)  :faint:
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  • Barulheira
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Island man
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Everybody is an island.
(Or should it read "Nobody is an island"?)
Whatever.

  • Luxor
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What he actually said.
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The Shettleston MSP questioned whether Skye should be included in the legislation, since he claimed it does not have the transport problems of "real islands".Speaking at the Rural Economy and Connectivity Committee, he said: "Was it unanimous that something like Skye should be included because it says that bridges are ignored and yet surely Skye doesn't have the problems of ferries, transport that real islands do?"

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Pathetic excuse Brigadooner and as I also said he has come out with stupidity before and been noted in the media for it.  Making excuses for the man only demotes you. But I will be amused as his and your corner of intentions will never happen!
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The only bit of stupidity here was you stating he said something that was taken out of context. I had not heard about it, but it only took me a couple of seconds searching on google to see what he actually said.

You managed to make yourself look a bit of a diddie, by not checking it out yourself first.
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No it isn't out of context at all and also appeared in the press. I also made it plain that he has come out with tripe before in the media including on tv. Get frustrated as you will due to your aims going out the window. (Long term is still Naw!
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I assume RJ can't swim... :)
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  • Barulheira
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Bridges
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That's why bridges are there. (And tunnels.)

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also appeared in the press
That must make it true then. That's the best laugh I've had all day.  :lol:
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Just like Sturgeon at First Minister question time in Edinburgh Luxor does a dance job rather than be able to face the truth. John Mason as I intimated has got into the news for stupidity before and that is FACT. Having lost seats in the Scottish and Gt Britain parliaments the SNP Brigadoons like "Bonnie" Prince Charlie will never  achieve anything. They messed up the NHS, surfed education way down the international list and nationalising the police have messed that up too. And who do they snug in with in the Edinburgh parliament but that wee bunch of loony lefty nutters the Green party ( :faint: ). They even lost the former leader that arrogant big headed mouth Alex Salmond at Westminster to the Scots Tories! Hardly surprising they have someone like Mason and it is okay for Luxor to try and look amused whilst ignoring the truth.

Oh and OakdaleFTL. Guessed right dear man rjh cannot swim but very capable of helping to drown Mason the SNP and help in their decline!  :hat:  :yes:
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Oh what a surprise it only took you 4 posts before you resorted to your usual tiresome, repetitive, guff.
You really should seek some help for that.
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Look smart alec you can be as daft as you like and fall back on being stupid too. Can I say to all reading this that the MSP I mentioned is as I said and has been repeated coming out with stupidity. It does not matter a tinker's curse how smart Luxor tries to be in his usual snooty nonsense as Mason is a clown and Luxor cannot do anything else but fall back on his usual snobby and falseness. Not only as silly in his answers but what I said about the drop in the SNP representation is very obvious both to Labour but more obviously to the Scots Tory unionists. Sturgeon has spent ages yakking on either in Edinburgh or elsewhere going on about the Tory corner yet they are now the official opposition as the SNP lost MSP and UK MP seats to them. Luxor thinks that with the people who are essentially a distance from Britain or just Scotland he can act a smart arse but the hard truths I mention are publicly stark. Thank heavens as a postscript that John Mason is in the SNP as he is an embarrassment to politics in general.

So Luxor can try and be lying to you but the politics show a different honest picture and although he wants to side step it the media has been honest and so too has the voting results.  :hat:
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the media has been honest
There you go making me laugh again. Honest media.  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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What's a "real" island can be a tricky question. Intuitively it is a landmass that can't be walked to from another landmass at low tide without getting your toes wet, smaller than a continent, bigger than a skerry. In practice it can be a little more tricky.

To take a local example. Below is a map over Södertörn, which has only been classified as an island since 2014. Before that it was a peninsula.



The light blue on the map is the (brackish saltwater) Baltic Sea. Dark blue is (sweetwater) Mälaren lake and adjoining lakes. Red is urban areas. The red spot to the left with dark blue on top, light blue on bottom is my city of Södertälje. The two biggest red spots on top of the map are Stockholm. Green is non-urban areas. 

Södertörn is the big landmass between Södertälje and Stockholm. The bridges and tunnels don't count, but there are sluices at the lake/sea boundaries, so the water surrounding Södertörn is not level (the lake is about 70 cm higher). More importantly there is a 3 km canal, not a channel, through Södertälje. Adding to the story, there actually was a natural channel through Södertälje until about 1300 years ago, but Sweden, like the rest of Scandinavian peninsula, is rising, and the channel was drying out. 


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Sweden, like the rest of Scandinavian peninsula, is rising
Lucky Sweden. :P

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...oy! The "rising oceans" trope continues to swamp both memory and science!

Could I bear to be apart from my immediate family, I'd gladly move to Florida -- but, of course, you'd rightly claim I'd be dead before it was inundated.
Didn't Al Gore make the claim that Manhattan would be under water by 2000? Nah! He just got the year wrong.
Just like that savant, Ehrlich.

BTW:
So Luxor can try and be lying to you but the politics show a different honest picture and although he wants to side step it the media has been honest and so too has the voting results.
Who cares about the Howie perfidy?
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What's a "real" island can be a tricky question. Intuitively it is a landmass that can't be walked to from another landmass at low tide without getting your toes wet, smaller than a continent, bigger than a skerry. In practice it can be a little more tricky.
Not tricky at all. Any way you look at it, Scotland is still not a real island. It's a fake.

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Lucky Sweden. :P

...oy! The "rising oceans" trope continues to swamp both memory and science!
Yes. It's a very slow process, a few mm rise per year (4mm around here). It's not like e.g. the Aral Sea where the water is disappearing in front of your nose (and ports). However a few islands named as islands during/before the Viking age are peninsulas now.

During the ice age Northern Europe was weighed down with ice, a few kilometers high. That depressed this part of Europe, and also led to lower sea levels as much of the surface water was bound as ice. When the ice disappeared Scandinavia (and Canada in the New World) started to rebound, while on the other side of European plate Italy was sinking. This process isn't over yet.



After most of the ice melted, but before Scandinavia rebounded, much of Sweden and Finland was submerged (including where I am). The Baltic Sea went through Sweden. 



The Stockholm area. Dark blue is the water level today, medium blue today's lakes, light blue the water level 5000 years ago, yellow the islands (today hills). There was no Södertälje channel, but a Södertälje archipelago. 





Due to climate change the sea is likely to rise faster than the land (except for some areas in Northern Scandinavia). The expected water rise in a century is about a meter ± 25 cm, while the land is expected to continue rising about 40 cm. The lake system is about 70 cm above sea level, so without the land rise this would spell trouble, turning the lake ecosystem (and source of drinking water) brackish. Still could.

There is a lock system in place, it could be enhanced. Or we could think bigger and go Full Netherland. 

Sweco, an architecture/engineering company, has proposed to construct artificial islands in the Øresund sound between Copenhagen and Malmö, Öresund city:




Others a flood barrier for Copenhagen



Either way the next step could be to wall in the whole Baltic Sea behind a barrier.  That would be memorable. 

  • Barulheira
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One more island
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This place here neaby is still considered an island, though the road that leads to there runs on an embankment.

  • Frenzie
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...oy! The "rising oceans" trope continues to swamp both memory and science!
I don't know about precious Florida, but our western lands are sinking the occasional millimeter without any ocean involvement for much the same reason that Sweden is rising. (Think of Sweden like a rock in the mud, making the mud rise. Take out the rock and the mud drops down again.) It's all pretty insignificant compared to your "trope" which is measured in centimeters though.


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This place here neaby is still considered an island, though the road that leads to there runs on an embankment.

Cool. Reminds me of China around Macao. You are driving in a high-density urban environment, with 30+ floor buildings on both sides, only that according to Google Maps you're in the middle of the ocean.

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Cool. Reminds me of China around Macao.
Why not Manhattan and whatever it is that is around it?

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Staten Island? (Named after the Staten-Generaal.)

We can also enjoy New York City's Prince's flag (as in the Prince of Orange):



I don't know if New York is the most successful ex-colony (to quote @rjhowie) but it's probably the most populated. :P

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Either way, I like the effect. :P
Cool.  Reminds me o' China aroun' Macao.  You be sailin' in a high-density urban environment, with 30+ floor buildin's on both sides, only that accordin' t' ghhhhhhhhhgle Maps yar in th' middle o' th' wide blue.