Quote from: http://surf.suckless.org/surf is a simple web browser based on WebKit/GTK+. It is able to display websites and follow links. It supports the XEmbed protocol which makes it possible to embed it in another application. Furthermore, one can point surf to another URI by setting its XProperties.It does not do much else. no auto-update no built-in search engine access no cookie management no configuration file no extension system no password management no standard bookmark system no tabbing no toolbars . . . and no bloat.
surf is a simple web browser based on WebKit/GTK+. It is able to display websites and follow links. It supports the XEmbed protocol which makes it possible to embed it in another application. Furthermore, one can point surf to another URI by setting its XProperties.
A usable window list is structured like a text-based list consisting of icon + window title. That's the bare minimum. Xfce has that option nowadays, so it's alright. Unfortunately it's mildly hampered by some stupid transparency that can't (easily) be disabled. But like I said, that's just the bare minimum.
In Xfce, there is (always was, as far as I know) a window list like this
A taskbar shows you windows in order of opening, although I would argue that a good taskbar allows dragging to reorder. I believe GNOME 2 did this, so MATE probably does as well.
Note that in Windows the taskbar also allows Ctrl+click selection to tile windows, something missing from (all?) Linux taskbars to my knowledge.
The Opera/Presto tabbar is a very good example of what a tab/taskbar should be like, although its window list was even better. Its Ctrl+Tab was also a terrific tab/taskswitcher.
I remember dragging windows in Xfce panel too, quite an available option. And Cinnamon panel does the same.
Other than this, what else is there that would make a taskbar good?
This must be a new amazing Windows 10 feature.
Yes. And Opera's pages can blitz-tile, even though not quite like in tiling window managers.
Quote from: ersi on 2017-01-14, 21:47:37I remember dragging windows in Xfce panel too, quite an available option. And Cinnamon panel does the same.Oh, I see. In the window button options you can set the behavior. You can sort it automatically by various algorithms, or by "none, allow drag-and-drop". Imo those shouldn't be mutually exclusive, but I guess the behavior for auto-sort combined with drag-and-drop would just be too complicated and possibly counter-intuitive.
Quote from: ersi on 2017-01-14, 21:47:37Other than this, what else is there that would make a taskbar good?Just like with the Alt-Tab switcher, it needs to show window titles. The Mac OS dock's large icons are useless. So are the copies in Vista and higher, in Ubuntu Unity, etc. And don't get me started on how since Windows 7 the quick start icons double as the taskbar. Want to start a new Explorer window? Better right click on it, buddy! And to switch between them, waste time hovering over that single indicator. Ugh!
From some screenshots it looks like Tint2 fulfills the job just fine. What I can't fathom is that some people would look at something like Tint2 and say something like: "oh, that looks just like Windows 95, which is old, therefore bad."
Quote from: ersi on 2017-01-14, 21:47:37This must be a new amazing Windows 10 feature.You mean Windows 95, when that taskbar thing was introduced. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 8/10 somehow managed to get rid of it.
When preset in a distro, Tint2 is most often half-transparent and should not remind of Windows 95.
Windows 10 has drag-to-edge tiling though, for two windows. It's very tablet-y. Once you have tiled one window to one half of the screen, all other open windows show up a la Expo to offer a second window to tile to the other half of the screen - exactly like in Galaxy Note. And, amazingly, Windows 10 combines the border of windows tiled this way, so that you can adjust the common border with a single mouse-drag - again like in Galaxy Note and like in true tiling wm's. This common border is what I would like to see in more desktop environments when in tiling mode (would be cool in Opera and Otter too).
I checked and couldn't find Ctrl+click tiling in Windows 10. I didn't know such a thing existed.
Overuse of transparency is totally mid-2000s though, and thankfully mostly passé. Even KDE5 seems to have stopped doing it. Although now we've got that stupid flat trend.
But at least as a default I rather doubt I'd like the kind of transparency you were talking about.
By the way, did you know that this scrollable transparency was inbuilt in Cinnamon?
Cinnamon is most complete out of the box and, to my taste, requires least after-configuration from vanilla/default state to perfection, compared to Xfce or Mate.
$ cat .abcde.conf CDPARANOIAOPTS=-z#See http://www.andrews-corner.org/abcde.html for inspirationFLACOPTS='-s -e -V -8'OPUSENCOPTS="--vbr --bitrate 128"OUTPUTTYPE="flac,opus"
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