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Topic: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland? (Read 25011 times)

  • jax
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What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
So what is happening in those barely populated areas linked to the North Atlantic ocean?

  • ersi
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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I don't understand how a war vessel can be searched by customs officials.
I thought the same thing. Also, in Estonia nobody resigns easily. They don't resign when they are criminal suspects. Sometimes they don't resign even after a court order (most recently this year with the mayor of Tallinn). But here two officers resigned over a customs inspection and, according to Estonian news, there's a private who got the direct charge, not the officers. Moreover, the story is somehow regarded reports-worthy in Western media. This case is fishy in many different ways.

@krake If you want to make Estonia look bad, post the stories when our officials DON'T resign when implicated for, for example, treason. Except that that somehow does not make it into Western news.

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
Reply #426
I don't understand how a war vessel can be searched by customs officials.
I thought the same thing.
I'm not really sure what else you'd expect?

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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I don't understand how a war vessel can be searched by customs officials.
I thought the same thing.
I'm not really sure what else you'd expect?
There are things the military is immune to. From the reporting it appears the customs officials searched the ship. I'd expect it be possible that the sailors, as they land, have to go through customs with their belongings, but not that the ship gets searched. This is how it works in Russia. And apparently in Portugal too.

  • Belfrager
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
Reply #428
Of course never customs agents could ever search a ,military ship. They would be arrested by the military forces.
Custom agents, as well as the police, don't have jurisdiction over military personel or their material, facilities or anything else.
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A matter of attitude.

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
Reply #429
but not that the ship gets searched.
Afaik ships of any kind aren't normally searched regardless, except perhaps as a random sample or training exercise. But are you talking about a difference without distinction which may well be lost in translation, like which specific organization has the jurisdiction to perform such duties,[1] or are you saying that the Russian military has a carte blanche?
For example, in the Netherlands there are four branches of the military: the land force, the air force, the navy, and military police. The latter would probably be responsible for this kind of thing.

  • ersi
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
Reply #430
...and military police. The latter would probably be responsible for this kind of thing.
That's right, the ordinary customs officials don't get to do it.

I don't think anything got lost in translation, but much could have gone lost in reporting, because our reporters are usually some high school students and when they stick with the career, they remain at high school level. Even though this is the kind of news that should have been assigned to some real journalist.

The same way as there's diplomatic immunity - a foreign diplomat may be caught for shop-lifting, but the (ordinary) police doesn't get to treat him like just another shop-lifter - there's also some level of immunity for the military equipment and personnel.

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
Reply #431
@krake If you want to make Estonia look bad,
Nah. I just found it funny. Dual-use military exercises. :)

I don't think anything got lost in translation, but much could have gone lost in reporting, because our reporters are usually some high school students and when they stick with the career, they remain at high school level. Even though this is the kind of news that should have been assigned to some real journalist.
Presumably lost on purpose, rather than because of dilettantism... ;)

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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At my time, a military could only be arrested if by another military of higher rank.

I'm not admired if these days a mere shitty police could arrest a General, such is the pacifist foolish that Europeans take care with of their defense forces.
A matter of attitude.

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Inside Sweden's Silicon Valley (Bloomberg Hello World: Episode 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d915p1aXlkE


This is Kiruna: How to Move a City

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKvqJ05AsPY

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Generally Sweden has been a reasonable place to live so an interesting story. Unfortunately elsewhere and in places like the capital and such there are no-go areas due to immigrants and the police are losing 3 officers a day chucking the service. Change days.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • jax
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Two of those claimed "no-go zones" are next to me (20 and 30 minutes walk away). The first no-go zone I go to regularly, last there the day before yesterday, the second not so often, during summertime (probably winter too if I had enjoyed skiing).

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Fact and open statistics propagandist Hans Rosling dies aged 68

TED memorial collection: The best Hans Rosling talks you've ever seen

  • ersi
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Football: Last night Estonia took an honorable 0-0 tie against Scotland.



  • rjhowie
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Odd game with no supporters. Didn't know about the event as I tend only to note football when the 2 Glasgow giants play each other namely Rangers v Celtic. Both have religious undertones so I go for Rangers!
"Quit you like men:be strong"