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Maps-Maps-Maps! ?
Who knows a decent map service on the Web? Except for Google's and alike, I mean.
For example, I wanted to find some physical maps of the UK's regions. One recent guy gave me errors instead of pages...
In one of other threads I shared some www.justmaps.org.  But its helpfulness seems rather limited to finding towns (within countries or otherwise larger regions; it looks simpler than using Google-like zoomables).
So what do you know? ???

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Actually Catholicism has been on the rise in USA for a while and it's currently the biggest denomination.
Without background knowledge putting it that way would seem to suggest it was different a century ago.

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Reply #276
Actually Catholicism has been on the rise in USA for a while and it's currently the biggest denomination.
Without background knowledge putting it that way would seem to suggest it was different a century ago.
Perhaps my "for a while" means a century. And it was different two centuries ago :)

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Reply #277
Catholicism is and always have been the biggest single religious denomination in the USA. They sum up all the different protestants in a desperate way to deny the facts.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #278
Pig farms in EUrope.


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Reply #279
Top trading partner for European countries.


  • Frenzie
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Reply #280
I was confused for a second about the Netherlands being Lithuania's top trading partner until I realized I was confusing Latvia's bottom for Lithuania's top. (Not the clearest graphic imo.)

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Reply #281
(Not the clearest graphic imo.)
The guilt is not in the graphic, the guilt is on Germany domination all over Europe after what they did.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #282
True. A flag like Japan's would make the map much clearer.

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Reply #283
Well Belfrager probably the Germans were miffed trying to take Europe by war and now succeeding with their third effort.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #284
On YT some maps lately are as good as good atlases


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Reply #285
A video seems somewhat suboptimal for the use case, albeit no worse and probably better than GIFs. I think something like an SVG with some minimal JavaScript to control the steps, perhaps...

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Reply #286
Interesting video but I wonder who are the sources for such amount of data.
I agree with Frenzie, with so much information collected it's not intelligent to approach it by a video. The user should have the possibility to explore all that data by user defined criteria. Such a gigantic effort reduced to a watch the celebrity video like.

Many wrong information about the Iberian peninsula.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #287
A video seems somewhat suboptimal for the use case...
Which use case? When you are studying things by yourself, then of course a book or a file with linked sources and references is best, but what if the use case is to display some parts of history to a hallful of first-timers?

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Reply #288
Of the base alternatives, text, image, video, the is clearly the best way to present a time sequence. A video is after all a time sequence of images. That said, all these formats are non-interactive, apart from pause/fast-forward/rewind. You do want to drill down, you do want to compare and highlight. This is done for some animations, but this is today done primarily by JavaScript, which is less embeddable or linkable.

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Reply #289
Which use case?
I find it awkward to navigate. As a child I had some educational programs on Windows 3 that offered much the same principle with a significantly better interface.

Besides things like easily going to a specific step there's things highlighting and clicking involved for more information.

See http://www.thenmap.net/ as something that comes a bit closer and is easy to use yourself, https://developers.google.com/chart/interactive/docs/gallery/geochart for something that depends on Google but comes closer to approximating the superior early to mid '90s experience.

http://vis.uell.net/gsvg/electionAtlasGermany.html

The examples I linked are missing the time aspect. Here's something that's closest to what I mean but it's using Flash. The » "fast forward" looking button means autoplay like a video: http://map-of-rome.yellow-dot.eu/pages/12,demo

You can see why you shouldn't depend on something Google here, which says that "Note: Google no longer supports the technology that powers this map. Some features may not work.". I suspect it might be good but I couldn't get it to work. Of course a video won't have such issues since it's just a video, so that's a clear advantage.

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Reply #290
Text, image, video, etc. do not have to be mutually exclusive alternatives. They can be shown/viewed one after the other in time, but also sometimes side by side, even though the latter must be done sparingly and only for points particularly suitable for such presentation.

...there's things highlighting and clicking involved for more information.
Yes, good point. I use cropping and zooming for highlighting and I wish it were easier to do with video. It can pretty much always be achieved by resizing the video player far outside the borders of the screen, but it's a silly method.

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Reply #291
Text, image, video, etc. do not have to be mutually exclusive alternatives.
Exactly.

For example, this atlas seems to me a good example of complementary and interactive data type availability on a particular subject.
It could even use short videos, podcasts, animations, weblinks for further info, etc.

https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/2015/atlas-for-a-changing-planet/
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #292
Exactly.
No one said they should be.

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Reply #294
It would be more interesting to see the USA States fitted into the world... they would disappear.
By all and any criteria.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #296
Here you are. Not that interesting though. 😞
I do think it's interesting, but it requires quite a bit of background knowledge and parsing to make it so.

I notice the Netherlands was positioned in Illinois, both places to which I have a personal connection. The Netherlands has a population of ~17 million people, while Illinois clocks in at ~13 million. So I guess Chicagoland is slightly richer than the Randstad. I find that surprising actually. Not that I think the place is poor -- not by any means -- but the Netherlands strikes me as much more prosperous overall. Of course they say it's the "closest match," so I imagine the Netherlands has a higher GDP, but still.

Putting Uruguay on Alaska, by contrast, means little to me, on both accounts. It might be your stereotypical American media portrayal of Latin American poverty; it might be as rich as Dubai. (I kid, I know that Uruguay is supposed to be a prosperous, developed country. But I have no real idea what it actually looks like.)

(Edited to correct a typo.)
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Uruguay
Reply #297
Doesn't Alaska have oil?

Uruguay doesn't have oil. But it is prosperous and remarkably stable (in spite of its neighbors), but it's too small to account its relevancy in the big picture.

I would be glad to be living there.

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Reply #298
Uruguay doesn't have oil. But it is prosperous and remarkably stable (in spite of its neighbors), but it's too small to account its relevancy in the big picture.

I would be glad to be living there.
Don't you live next to it? According to mainstream economics, some of Uruguay's prosperity should be trickling down to you.

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Uruguay rules!
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"Next to it"? According to South American standards, yes. According to European standards... it's quite far away. :)

We need more than prosperity tricklings down here. :awww:

Edit: we are getting more tricklings down from Venezuela right now. :cry: