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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by ersi -
Is the full hardcore desktop version of MS Office still around? If not, then it is completely pointless to stick to any MS-branded paid subscription services that are just poor substitutes. It makes more sense to use poor substitutes that we don't have to pay for.
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DnD Central / Re: Grammatical Mutterings
Last post by ensbb3 -
Quantity is not quality.
Quantity has a quality of its own. :P
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by Frenzie -
Google Docs Spreadsheets doesn't have the Excel defect I mentioned, so it may be the opposite. Practically speaking they're all junk in my experience, but good enough for basic simple stuff. I doubt Google Docs is better than LibreOffice at opening MS Office documents, possibly worse.

That's something Office 365 online Word probably does just fine. And it's like Office light on every OS with a modern browser.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by ersi -
There's 365 the online interface and the 365 the subscription Office. The latter is pretty much the same as it always was afaict. It's just Office 2019[1] but you have to pay up every year.
Are differences between the 365 web interface and Google Docs serious enough so that it is worth it lean towards 365 and even pay for it? I have not tried Google Docs at all and I use Office 365 the subscription apps only under existential threat.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by Frenzie -
Now with 365, the thing struggles opening a new document when there is already a document open.
I may have been slightly confusing -- well not me really, but Microsoft. There's 365 the online interface and the 365 the subscription Office. The latter is pretty much the same as it always was afaict. It's just Office 2019[1] but you have to pay up every year.
Which I can't meaningfully distinguish from Office 2007. But that's probably a good thing.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by ersi -
The weird thing is that Outlook is better at a lot of that stuff and has been since time immemorial (mid-'90s).
Yes. The funny thing with a lot being pushed into the bad interface of Teams is that emails are still in Outlook and I have to keep both Outlook and Teams open anyway. Why didn't they extend Outlook with chat, video, file management, etc. instead? And arm Outlook with more tabbing and detaching? And, if they really so badly want Teams, rename Outlook to Teams!

In the current Teams there isn't even a proper fullscreen (for anything except video)! There is only something like fill-the-window, which would be great if it were accompanied with vanish-the-interface, but no, Microsoft just can't give people what people really need. Not even when the people are corporations that pay them by the millions.

Same in Office 365... the whole point of 365 is collaboration, right?
Well, not exactly the same issues, but different equally frustrating issues. The point of Office used to be: View and edit docs. It used to be possible to open as many of them as the computer resources allowed, a window per document.

Now with 365, the thing struggles opening a new document when there is already a document open. With Excel in particular it seems to want to close the previous document when you want to open the next one and throws up an error/dialogue to save or delete the previous one. Wtf is that? I am not allowed to view two documents side by side?

You may not have encountered the same exact glitches. Much of my frustration may be due to the overly protected and locked down, "secure" beyond stupidity administratively controlled work environment settings. This adds a whole new layer of complications and Windows is just not handling complications well.

I miss Unix very much, my first work environment back when I started university. We got an A4 with login and the initial password and a few other commands to type, for email, word processing and printing. The instructions on the single A4 worked as promised, without any glitches or hickups. Forever. Never a need to google stuff to solve problems. Problems did not exist.
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DnD Central / Re: What's Going on in Europe
Last post by ersi -
The coronavirus is spreading ...
Take care.
The first corona death was confirmed in Estonia today (an 83 yo) and it is already reflected on this website. Keep up the good work  :up:
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by Frenzie -
Same in Office 365. Filters are an integral part of using Excel, and the whole point of 365 is collaboration, right? But applying a filter applies it for everyone. It's useless.

https://excel.uservoice.com/forums/304921-excel-for-windows-desktop-application/suggestions/13151544-enable-user-filter-views

I appreciate that it must be astonishingly difficult to implement. People first publicly noticed at least 5 years ago after all, but the simple fact is that a traditional network drive with user edit lockout works a million times better and has worked that way just fine since presumably at least the mid-'90s. I would expect it hasn't fundamentally changed from a user perspective since MS Office 3 or 4, albeit possibly 95, 97 or potentially even as late as 2000.

Tbh I mostly prefer LibreOffice over MS Office, or at least Writer over Word and possibly Calc over Excel. I've never really played with Publisher for example.

Unlike Writer I don't think Calc is really any better, probably not really any worse either, but Excel doesn't show you what you've selected in inactive windows. It's incredibly annoying. I have no idea what they were thinking. Also Excel has or had this weird program-wide undo instead of document-based undo.

Incidentally, if you use the ribbon in LibreOffice then Alt+letter doesn't work to activate a tab like in MS Office. So they both have their ups & downs. The MS Office ribbon has grown on me somewhat after using it for a decade, although I still think traditional menus are easier to find your way around. In any case Microsoft made very sure that other than visually, ribbons behave exactly the same as menus from a keyboard perspective. This is a lesson that no one else seems to have learned. Rather than contorting your fingers weirdly, you do something like Alt+o, d for "clear direct formatting". This automatically works for every menu entry, so if you use a function a lot you don't have to make up custom keybinds or whatever.

LibreOffice's experimental ribbon ("tabbed") doesn't work that way, unfortunately. It does underline letters though, so I guess it's planned.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by ersi -
And the permissions and privileges hierarchy is all messed up. You never know when you change a thing in Teams, if it changes just for you or for everyone. You never know that the way something displays for you displays the same way for others, or differently, how differently, to whom and why. A total disaster.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Windows Frustration Thread
Last post by Frenzie -
The weird thing is that Outlook is better at a lot of that stuff and has been since time immemorial (mid-'90s).

Microsoft Lync was fine for chat/call/video, although no more than that. But was it worse than Teams... disturbingly, probably not.