The DnD Sanctuary

Forum-related => Forum Administration => Topic started by: Frenzie on 2014-01-22, 15:57:14

Poll
Question: Which do you prefer?
Option 1: A4 votes: 12
Option 2: C1 votes: 1
Option 3: D1 votes: 6
Option 4: E1 votes: 8
Title: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-22, 15:57:14
We have been kindly provided a choice of logo by a professional graphics designer. If you could all indicate your top two choices, we should be able to reach a decision. In the unlikely event of a tie, I reserve the right to decide which I like best. Click the thumbnails to enlarge the images. Voting closes in ten days.





A4
C1

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fpolymathicmonkey.smugmug.com%2FFrans%2FLogo%2Fn-gtX5t%2Fi-C8GfQNg%2F0%2FTi%2FA4-Ti.jpg&hash=15cf94e6e74196bf5bfad372a5f965d1" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-C8GfQNg/0/Ti/A4-Ti.jpg) (http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-C8GfQNg/0/O/A4-O.jpg)

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fpolymathicmonkey.smugmug.com%2FFrans%2FDnD%2FLogo%2Fn-gtX5t%2Fi-Q9XHq86%2F0%2FTi%2FC1-Ti.jpg&hash=30c5da137a5e0c0381066b2005e39866" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/DnD/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-Q9XHq86/0/Ti/C1-Ti.jpg) (http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/DnD/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-Q9XHq86/0/O/C1-O.jpg)

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fpolymathicmonkey.smugmug.com%2FFrans%2FDnD%2FLogo%2Fn-gtX5t%2Fi-ZXd6gt6%2F0%2FTi%2FD1-Ti.jpg&hash=f17beaa66aa387b894845862b6a8bb62" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/DnD/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-ZXd6gt6/0/Ti/D1-Ti.jpg) (http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/DnD/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-ZXd6gt6/0/O/D1-O.jpg)

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fpolymathicmonkey.smugmug.com%2FFrans%2FDnD%2FLogo%2Fn-gtX5t%2Fi-vh2Jx5N%2F0%2FTi%2FE1-Ti.jpg&hash=ce4a331708338f8f53b88233d7d3d74a" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/DnD/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-vh2Jx5N/0/Ti/E1-Ti.jpg) (http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/DnD/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-vh2Jx5N/0/O/E1-O.jpg)
D1
E1


PS The vote is not about colors.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-01-22, 16:05:27
 Got.
The right ones look -- well -- a bit drinking:);)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-22, 16:08:30
Say what? :shocked:
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-01-22, 16:20:55
The third is leading...
It resembles a certain poster here, you know? ;)

Oops!
Yeah, the first is ok too. Conceptually constructed.;) Lacking colours - compared to the rival owl.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: string on 2014-01-22, 16:43:19
Colours are a detail at present. They can follow if needed.

In  the world of photocopying, the first rule of making a logo is that the logo should also look good in black and white.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: krake on 2014-01-22, 20:49:46
@Frenzie
Is the professional graphics designer a member of these forums?

BTW, I like all four graphics  8)
The choice was hard and rather a matter of personal perception.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-22, 22:05:55
Is the professional graphics designer a member of these forums?

Not for now. :)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: j7n on 2014-01-22, 22:16:56
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Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-01-23, 08:57:00
I like E1. It's classic, a reinterpretation of an old Greek/Roman forum.
Well... DnD Sanctuary as civilization.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-01-24, 00:34:04
Just a small question if I might ......... Have you messaged/emailed all the registered members that an important vote is pending on this issue ..... A few of them haven't even participated yet ---- maybe they need a knuckle to the back of the head to wake them up,
& get their  DnD   activity juices flowing?
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-24, 08:50:35
Yes, did you not receive the e-mail?
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: string on 2014-01-24, 09:38:29
Maybe a reminder could be sent? After all we all tend to have butterfly minds.

Not all our members post but we should be able to get up to 2/3 of the membership voting.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-01-24, 11:13:10
To me the choice is obvious. A4 must win. E1 is also very good, almost as classic as ASCII art, and worth using in some contexts.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ensbb3 on 2014-01-24, 17:04:34
Yay! My pick is winning at the moment.  :-)

Tough call between A and E for me. Something with a roof does seem appropriate.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Barulheira on 2014-01-24, 17:37:45
I won't vote. I don't prefer any one of them. It doesn't mean they are bad... they are all good! I'll leave the choice to you all. Great work!
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-01-25, 02:16:22
OK, I got my vote in.
I admit to being a bit slow to vote on this, seems it's more important to some than to others and after I came in from yet another fight with snow and cold I have to say logos don't rate high on the totem pole for me.

It brings back a memory from my high-school days. Our school colors were blue and grey, the time came to decide whether to add orange to the school colors. The decision met with rampant apathy, truth to tell it was a decision with almost no impact on anybody outside of the jocks who would have to wear the team emblems with the new color on it. To this day I don't know whether we added orange to our school colors.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-01-27, 12:32:44
A4 seems as one of those trade show stands, we would need a pair of beautiful (semi naked in preference) hostesses inside... but unfortunately that's a rare thing to see in DnD...
No one uses such kind of tridimensional logos for ages.

So, why isn't E1, a gem of design, ahead on the voting? I suggest to skip democracy and use  E1 as a desire and order of the Beloved Leader... :)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-01-27, 13:27:10
I agree actually: A4 is my least favorite of the lot.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ensbb3 on 2014-01-28, 17:01:59
Granted it does looks better in thumbnail and needs color. I don't really like the backwards D's
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Mandi on 2014-01-28, 21:03:11

Granted it does looks better in thumbnail and needs color. I don't really like the backwards D's


I'm with ya on that one. I didn't really care for the backwards Ds. That's why I picked the first one.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-01-29, 10:03:06
There's a problem with the poll. Thirteen voters.
It can't be,it gives bad luck to the forum.

So, we have to eliminate A4 and start again... :)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-01-29, 11:52:09
No.
Don't be silly.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-03, 12:05:22
Quote from: 3 Feb.
Choose our new logo here! :)
Quote
Voting closed: 2 February '14, 16:57:14

:whistle:
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-03, 14:40:52
Have a little patience. :) Our dear graphics designer, Steeno, is doing this in his spare time.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-03, 15:21:31
 At last.
The cover-up revealed! O'k, now we have 2 guys registered but not posting. The other one is our Noble Scot. I don't count medical bots, though;D
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-06, 13:30:59
The new logo is available! :D
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Luxor on 2014-02-06, 13:39:16
I noticed. You know that would make a nice favicon too. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/ThumbGood2.gif)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-06, 13:41:43
What if
Quote
The (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fpolymathicmonkey.smugmug.com%2FFrans%2FLogo%2Fn-gtX5t%2Fi-C8GfQNg%2F0%2FTi%2FA4-Ti.jpg&hash=15cf94e6e74196bf5bfad372a5f965d1" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-C8GfQNg/0/Ti/A4-Ti.jpg) Sanctuary
or something?

Hey, and I like this colour and with shadows more!..
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-06, 13:50:27
We decided against it, although I did play with the idea.

[html]
The DnD Sanctuary
[/html]
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-06, 13:56:25
:))
Listen, what's the story about that "^" button "hide the header"? It hides the wrong 'header'!
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-06, 13:58:54
Ask the Simple Machines people. :P I could remove it, but it doesn't seem to be in the way or anything.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-06, 13:59:35
About the header itself -- what about either enlarging the letters or resizing the image? It'd make all that more proportionate.
And try the old one, would you? Which is grey with shadows...
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-06, 14:02:30

Ask the Simple Machines people. :P I could remove it, but it doesn't seem to be in the way or anything.
Nah, would you mind trying to swap the logo and the "hello+show" and 'search' sections in the script?
That "hide" hides the 'hello' (with "show"s!) and the Search now. While the logo stays...
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-06, 14:39:09
It's not as easy as switching one variable because it'd hide itself. You could always make a userstyle:

Code: [Select]
#top_section{display:none}
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-06, 15:20:17
I'm watching it now with Opera and I don't like the colours of the icon. The second half of the icon is near-illegible due to colours. (Not that I know how to fix it. I am near-colourblind.)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: string on 2014-02-06, 15:47:11
The right hand side? The darker colour is to emphasize the shaded side of the "shelter". I like it.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-06, 16:48:05

The right hand side? The darker colour is to emphasize the shaded side of the "shelter". I like it.
I also like the general idea as it was at first. But now with different colours around it the second half doesn't seem to have enough contrast.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-06, 17:15:49
I am near-colourblind.

Ah, right, the colors aren't greatly contrasted. Making the background color lighter might create the same issue with the white. Perhaps we should ask to see what it'd looks like with a small border or some such.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: krake on 2014-02-06, 21:30:29
(https://files.myopera.com/Krake/files/DnD.png) (https://files.myopera.com/Krake/files/DnD1.png) (https://files.myopera.com/Krake/files/DnD3.png)
:(
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-02-07, 01:06:14
Just to drop my opinion into the mix........


I think the new Logo is splendid ---- as is  .......  & the colors are fine  ------ as is.  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/A%20OK%20002.gif)

Some people, by nature, are being too gawdammn pedantic -----  in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Mandi on 2014-02-07, 02:13:55
I love the new look and logo. Well done!
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-07, 07:10:34

I am near-colourblind.

Ah, right, the colors aren't greatly contrasted. Making the background color lighter might create the same issue with the white. Perhaps we should ask to see what it'd looks like with a small border or some such.
Krake's images show that he understood my issue correctly. It's a subtle thing.

In the original image I liked that the two halves are not too greatly contrasted from each other, so that the letter-like figures in the logo could be read straightforwardly. This aspect of the design goes lost when the halves are too greatly contrasted from each other. Edit: In the original draft, both halves are darker than the background.

Anyway, don't worry too much about me. I mostly use Elinks, so I don't see images and thus have no real issues with contrasts and tints. It's just that the logo is a community engagement and this is how my input looks like now, totally destructive criticism.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: krake on 2014-02-07, 10:10:34

Krake's images show that he understood my issue correctly. It's a subtle thing.


Thanks.
BTW, that was the only reason I've posted the images.
They are far from being perfect. I had to transform (low resolution) JPG into PNG with alpha transparency (using a freeware editor). The result is as it looks.


Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-07, 10:51:46
To put it once again in a perhaps clearer way, the issue I'm pointing out is this: In the original draft of the logo, the background was the lightest element. Now the background colour is in between the halves of the logo.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-07, 11:28:52
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fpolymathicmonkey.smugmug.com%2FFrans%2FLogo%2Fn-gtX5t%2Fi-C8GfQNg%2F0%2FTi%2FA4-Ti.jpg&hash=15cf94e6e74196bf5bfad372a5f965d1" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://polymathicmonkey.smugmug.com/Frans/Logo/n-gtX5t/i-C8GfQNg/0/Ti/A4-Ti.jpg) 8)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: krake on 2014-02-07, 12:52:58
(https://files.myopera.com/Krake/files/dnd_.png) 8)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-07, 13:20:38
8)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Steeno on 2014-02-08, 18:59:06
Nice work krake :D I'd be happy with any of them. I agree that the colour balance has shifted a bit, although given the current background colour the white does ensure the logo stands out nicely. Maybe a v light blue instead of bright white, and the return of the shadows would soften the look and add some style. On the other hand the current logo has a less-is-more okms rzr thing going for it - also nice. Stuff for endless debates..

I suspect more experimenting with the logo and colour schemes will take place over time. Possibly different themes..
I sent Frans a favicon set so hopefully that will appear soon. Because a favicon is often on a white background the contrast between the logo colours is like the original b/w version.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-08, 19:14:24
You can speed the process along by manually going to https://thedndsanctuary.eu/favicon.ico and refreshing.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: j7n on 2014-02-09, 01:08:47
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Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-09, 04:14:24
The favicon looks pretty much like the original.

Shouldn't the favicon and the site logo be the same? May I suggest the logo be like the favicon, but with a round white background, so as to stand out from the rest of the site's colours? So that when you change the theme colours of the site (I understood this was going to be a user option at some point), it won't affect the logo.
Title: Favicon
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-09, 09:35:59
Quote
favicon
I like it as it is now.
At least it is the only green on the entire site for now (let alone the "website" icons).
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: j7n on 2014-02-09, 20:36:53
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Title: Re: Logo
Post by: krake on 2014-02-09, 22:31:29

Nice work krake :D I'd be happy with any of them.


Thanks :)
In any case the hard work is to create a logo :)
I like all of them. It was a hard choice to select one of them.


I agree that the colour balance has shifted a bit, although given the current background colour the white does ensure the logo stands out nicely.


I like them (logo & favicon) as they are now!
Nice work :)
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-10, 06:25:05
Green.
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-06-25, 04:40:14
I guess it can be considered a problem:

Browsers don't display the website logo in RSS view
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-06-25, 07:08:09
I'm not sure that's a problem, but could you explain that a bit more?
Title: Re: Logo
Post by: ersi on 2014-06-25, 07:40:39
Specifically, the little icon that is supposed to be beside the URL in the address bar. When you open up the RSS view, not yet subscribed, the logo is not there in Seamonkey, no tab icon either. If it's there in FF, then you're right: No problem, because nobody uses Seamonkey.