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Title: Bye.
Post by: tt92 on 2015-09-12, 19:59:01
 :bye:
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-09-12, 23:12:49
? where are you going to?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-09-13, 10:29:01
Have a good trip and come back safe.  ;)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Luxor on 2015-09-13, 13:08:06
 (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Bye.gif) Come back soon.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-09-13, 19:52:03

:bye:

Godspeed, Aussie friend. Pop in again soon!

Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-19, 13:08:58
 :faint:
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Barulheira on 2015-09-25, 21:21:00
Please, come back! I feel so lonely down under here.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-26, 04:46:38
Crivvens you must be hard stuck!
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-09-26, 08:46:10
I feel so lonely down under here.

Indeed, the south hemisphere is lacking representatives, you should had never turned independent, now you're alone, isolated, sad and regretting it. :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Barulheira on 2015-09-28, 11:19:02
alone
Yes.
isolated
No.
sad
No.
regretting it
No.
Last time I checked, independence doesn't shift hemispheres.
But I congratulate you. You are much better without us now. (https://www.visitportugal.com)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-28, 21:21:25
You have to remember Belfrager that because they walk upside down the blood rushes to the head. Doesn't help much.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-09-28, 22:16:57
You are much better without us now. (https://www.visitportugal.com/)

Don't post that Barulheira, I like my Country to be the best hidden secret in Europe. Let's keep it that way.

Besides, rjhowie says that you walk upside down so blood rushes to your head. I suggest you to walk upside down, since you are already doing it, my suggestion will put you finally walking upside up and being able to agree with me. :)

Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Barulheira on 2015-09-29, 10:58:18

I like my Country to be the best hidden secret in Europe. Let's keep it that way.
As long as there aren't refugees crossing the Atlantic... :left: :right:
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-09-29, 22:13:28
The only refugees I know that crossed the Atlantic were those that we call today Americans... and they weren't exactly refugees just mere economic emigrants with enough money to pay for a third class ticket in regular trans Atlantic cruisers.

Were I an American like social Darwinist and I would call them just losers. Glad I'm not.

Anyway, this tread is for us to mourn our only antipode that decided to abandon us.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-30, 02:29:05
Well that would be as bad Belfrager as people walking up rough mountains in bare feet for some "saint" or other!  ;)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-09-30, 17:40:48
tt- a stalwart with a nice sense of humour. I do hope he's in good health. Best regards.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-30, 19:50:36
You are fully entitled to your opinion of course!
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-10-07, 12:05:26
I'm leaving, too. :bye:
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-07, 13:09:20
I've considered leaving more than once in recent months. Haven't done it yet (obviously) but sometimes it's been a close call.

One note: If/when I do make that decision, it's forever.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-07, 17:41:00
 I suggest moving this thread to the Members only part "Forum Administratio". It is worth discussing, but located here it is a sort of negative advert for DnD.

With that assumption;

Never say never (as they say), but there is a problem as we reach critical mass.

Threads become a bit threadbare and there are not enough to disagree on one but make up and agree on another, or indeed to spark the interest of much more than a few at a time.

I've not thought of leaving myself but do struggle to find a vigorous discussion to join in which is not, shall be say, too caustic.

What to do about it?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-07, 17:49:05
I don't understand. Is that what happened to tt?

I fully understand taking a break. Sometimes life takes over and my mind just isn't into it or my mood changes and 'debate' just isn't for me. But, I don't understand the emotion behind deciding to never come back. I'd miss you guys... Eventually :P
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Luxor on 2015-10-07, 17:53:47
Thread moved as requested.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-07, 18:30:59

Thread moved as requested.

Thanks

suggest also flagging the move in dnd  central so others e.g. 'Bye relocated
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-07, 18:45:44

I don't understand. Is that what happened to tt?

I fully understand taking a break. Sometimes life takes over and my mind just isn't into it or my mood changes and 'debate' just isn't for me. But, I don't understand the emotion behind deciding to never come back. I'd miss you guys... Eventually :P


I suspect he keeps an eye on things, but let's hope it is a trial separation while Australia is still in the Rugby World Cup.

I used the term "critical mass" earlier and it's sort of appropriate, one needs enough people interested in a particular subject in order to keep it alive.

For example a hot topic in the UK at the moment is the new leader of the Labour Party. I can't imagine more than 3 or our number in discussing such a topic. It's  the same with discussing Trump in the US context 3 or 4 Americans would be interested but not that many others. If I post about football/ soccer; again not so many. The old subjects of religion, terrorists, guns and even good have been cover ed d so much that we could probably write each other's posts!

Clearly we need more posters and fresher subjects of international interest. The old problem we started with.



Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-07, 19:07:52
Alas, the Otter posters are cross-posting less than I'd hoped. :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-07, 19:18:52
Yes that's  true, I wonder why

Possible

We post too many posts which make "sense" only to ourselves - an example of that would be the continual rjh feud
Our threads are not sufficiently interesting
Our threads are too long-lived and are difficult to join in (*)
We do not have enough new starts
Or
Other posters do not actually realise they can and that they are welcome to post here

(*) I have had this problem I must admit, trying to get enough of the thrust of a discussion which has gone on forever, to make an original input --- it's  off-putting.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-08, 16:49:37
One possible way we could breathe some life into what we post would be to concentrate on topical news stories, rather than purely generic threads that could include anything and everything.

For example, discussion of the recent sting over the sale of radioactive material could be a thread in its own right rather than being absorbed into another.

Any thoughts on that, if we all did it for a bit it might produce some interesting discussion ok be.?

Also a moratorium on how wicked American gun toting corporate republicans are would help; there's  too much of that going on.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-09, 02:05:45
I was about to suggest lightening up on Americans. Think about it: Right now before I open DnD, I know that I can count on half a dozen posts that indicate anything said by an American is probably wrong because we're all hopelessly ignorant untraveled boobs. Why would any other Americans want to post here, given that kind of reception?

Look, I'll spell it right out: I've been on the point of leaving any number of times because I felt that my opinion is less than welcome, seeing that I'm an American.

So--- rail on evil American gun-makers? Be my guest. But don't forget about the evil gun-makers from your part of the world too. Otherwise people like me might think DnD is a Eurocentric xenophobic place that's best avoided.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-09, 05:58:35
I don't realize why should be TT92's post a reason to limit or condition other members posting content and even less understand how imposing posting taboo subjects would attract more posters.

It's not pleasant to our American posters to see critics to the USA? well, it's not pleasant to Muslims to see critics to their religion as well and so on and so on.

We can certainly try more diversity at our threads, more short and specific content instead the usual "classic" epic themes, something more "easy and light" but even so that's not a guarantee that it would attract more posters.

Discussing at the neighborhood level will not attract more posters.

We can't ever beat Facebook and alike and that's what the world idiotic population desires. Tweeting it's not compatible with DnD genesis.

That said, Rjhowie you be more kind with the "ex colonists", when they arrive by the thousands you can fight them again. :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-09, 09:25:36
I suppose you might say things can seem a bit antagonistic now and then, but doesn't that apply to any perspective?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Luxor on 2015-10-09, 12:31:02
I was about to suggest lightening up on Americans.

That might make a certain someone mute.
But it is getting a bit old seeing it in so many posts. Guess some folk have nothing original to come up with.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-09, 17:04:20

I suppose you might say things can seem a bit antagonistic now and then, but doesn't that apply to any perspective?

Yes some sort of arguing/teasing/even antagonism is rather essential for a forum to be interesting, but I think we need to cut back a bit to get more people to be rude to (just joking).

How about letting this particular discussion ride for this weekend to see if others have ideas and then start a few more topical threads to see what happened, maybe a couple each? Any agreement on that?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-10, 11:53:09
then start a few more topical threads to see what happened, maybe a couple each? Any agreement on that?

I'm not sure what is your undertanding of a "topical" thread...

We had threads based on books, documentaries, architecture, music, football and, certainly, many other topics. I find those threads to be "topical ones" unlike philosophy, religion, science and other very open subjects. All those threads either finished soon or needs a gigantical posting effort from the OP to keep it running.

To me, the place DnD fulfills in the internet world is to be the remainder from the times people used to think about the world, as well a mirror of human nature and diversity.
Course we'll slowly die in agony... it's our fate, we can't fight it. :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-10, 15:50:23
After posting the above, I went to look to our statistics.

Total Members:
    1340
Total Posts:
    45270
Total Topics:
    667
Average registrations per day:
    11.00
Average posts per day:
    68.04

This is not so bad.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-10, 15:55:21

After posting the above, I went to look to our statistics.

Total Members:
    1340
Total Posts:
    45270
Total Topics:
    667
Average registrations per day:
    11.00
Average posts per day:
    68.04

This is not so bad.


This is where numbers and statistics get mighty strange. Go back over the membership count. 1340. OK, how many of those members have actually posted anything? Take a good look and you find that most have posted nothing. Zilch. Zero. Nada. There's really only a handful of active members. So the question becomes, how do we get more ACTIVE members?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-10, 20:24:46
So the question becomes, how do we get more ACTIVE members?
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=1501.35;msg=47019)

Most people are passive. Each time I access the forum, there's me (and Luxor :) ) and more eight or nine guests. Who are those guests? people reading and not posting I suppose.

People have been indoctrinated not to act but to watch the world as mere spectators. This way they don't make revolutions.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-11, 12:15:29

then start a few more topical threads to see what happened, maybe a couple each? Any agreement on that?

I'm not sure what is your undertanding of a "topical" thread...

We had threads based on books, documentaries, architecture, music, football and, certainly, many other topics. I find those threads to be "topical ones" unlike philosophy, religion, science and other very open subjects. All those threads either finished soon or needs a gigantical posting effort from the OP to keep it running.

To me, the place DnD fulfills in the internet world is to be the remainder from the times people used to think about the world, as well a mirror of human nature and diversity.
Course we'll slowly die in agony... it's our fate, we can't fight it. :)


By topical I mean something in the public eye at that moment. That does not mean that I think that more esoteric threads are not worthwhile, but merely that our membership is not healthy and so clearly our present posting/ online presence is not good enough. So I try to do something about it. All ideas are welcome of course.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-11, 18:07:28
Who are those guests?

Probably members that aren't logged in.

I used the term "critical mass" earlier and it's sort of appropriate, one needs enough people interested in a particular subject in order to keep it alive.

For example a hot topic in the UK at the moment is the new leader of the Labour Party. I can't imagine more than 3 or our number in discussing such a topic. It's  the same with discussing Trump in the US context 3 or 4 Americans would be interested but not that many others. If I post about football/ soccer; again not so many. The old subjects of religion, terrorists, guns and even good have been cover ed d so much that we could probably write each other's posts!

As far as interested in Euro topics, I am. I'd rather read your opinion of a story than just an article on the subject. Might have to do with my opinion of media. But I don't really have much to contribute on such subjects. And on some other well covered topics you're right; we all know each others opinions.

As for anti-Americanism...
It's not pleasant to our American posters to see critics to the USA? well, it's not pleasant to Muslims to see critics to their religion as well and so on and so on.

I have to agree with this. There's no reason to get butt hurt over rj. If my last exchange with him is any indication he simply repeats the same rhetoric. If he becomes detrimental to the community we should cut him loose. As you should me or anyone else. But there hasn't been any attempt, yet, to stop his spamming by the administration so I'm willing to let it ride.

As for membership increases. Content will help but we have to look at what we offer... Which isn't anything different than a million other forums. We don't have the community features like what MyOpera had. But a look at where our 'sister' forum went shows the mess to be had there. We may need to look at evolving to attract more members tho. I've mentioned keyword advertising before, I think. with effort to advertise during topical discussions we could boost membership from interested parties simply by exposure. That exposure also opens us up to more spam and unwanted attention. As well as needing to establish a revenue source.

**(One feature I think would help the most are blogs)
***(Another suggestion is taking on more in the 'Pings' section. Nothing competing but surely we can house more upstart apps or such)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-11, 18:42:50
Blogs ---- I can't imagine any account of my life would interest anyone.

Let's  see

Woke up to find a Ninja poised above me, broke his neck and took him down to the cop shop
Composed a new poem for the opening of the Russian Parliament
Checked on the results of my time travel experiment that I shall make tomorrow
Had Breakfast (coconuts on toast)

My life is much too boring!
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-11, 18:44:55
ensbb3 - I don't know the term keyboard  advertising ... What is it?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-11, 23:48:45
My life is much too boring!

I don't blog either. It is the most requested feature from members that I see tho.
I don't know the term keyboard keyword advertising ... What is it?

I'll prepare a little better pitch and links later... But essentially you can bid on keywords from Google. If that keyword is typed your link will be favored towards the top. I have a lady that does internet marketing stuff for me. I'll get her take so I have more details for ya. She's really good and has paid applications to do the research where I'd have to use the free versions.  
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-12, 01:31:44
Pretty inclusive, but not overwhelming. http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/seo-site-keyword-optimize-ht (http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/seo-site-keyword-optimize-ht)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-12, 07:37:30

Pretty inclusive, but not overwhelming. http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/seo-site-keyword-optimize-ht (http://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/seo-site-keyword-optimize-ht)


Thank you.

There could well be things that could be done, hopefully without overburden the feel of the forum.

I think it would be worthwhile collecting ideas for such things (in a dedicated topic and choose good suggestions for implementation. It depends on Frenzie's say so though and the effort involved. I'm  loathe to give him more workload on this sort of thing. So awaiting his comment.

An example could be to have a second line of text in brackets after each group of threads (I forget the classification word which is used), under DnD Central for example which is a nice title but does not help the advertising aspect. So something like
DnD Central
( Discussions on politics, Sport, Food, etc etc.............)

It could get cumberson if we had too much but might help.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-12, 07:58:17
Probably members that aren't logged in.

Some of them are also things like search engine crawlers and spambots.

It depends on Frenzie's say so though and the effort involved. I'm  loathe to give him more workload on this sort of thing. So awaiting his comment.

One of the problems there is that trying to SEO-optimize the content of a forum is inherently silly. Insofar as SEO-optimizing the forum isn't silly I think the Simple Machines default is pretty decent already.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-12, 08:17:08
Why silly?
I can guess what the answer might be, but I'd like to understand better.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-12, 11:29:15
SEO is something that basically only works on carefully crafted content that you control pretty much from A-Z. That means that on my personal blog I could forgo sillier posts (http://fransdejonge.com/2015/09/just-a-star/), or at least make the effort to put in a more descriptive or more search-engine friendly title (e.g. "Wacom CTH-680S review") or try to throw in a few more relevant keywords in some way, but on a free forum that's practically impossible unless the moderators also very much become editors. Moreover, besides the added and undesired extra workload the members may not appreciate such extensive meddling with their posts. And that's just for the OP.

tl;dr Search engines try to focus primarily on the content these days, and secondarily on things like titles and metadata. As such about all you can do is to make sure the search engine knows where the content is, but unless you control the content there's little you can do.

We are the #1 result for specific searches like "Otter browser forum", btw. It's not a completely lost cause; I just doubt that doing much better is a realistic possibility.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-12, 11:45:08
Well how about this idea.

If we had two lines for thread / topic titles, we could ask those who raise them to put their chosen key words on the second line.

So for example in the topic I just started, on F1 Racing, one (I) could add a second line
Formula 1 racing electric drive technomoby development .... And so on, raising the profile of that topic and thus also DnD.

Given a request to do so I'm  pretty sure people would join in. Mods could add things if they felt like it.

Any comments on this anyone?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: jax on 2015-10-12, 15:33:13
I stand by my vision of rjhowie being the one turning the lights off. New place, same scenario.

The "criticism" of the US on this forum is beyond stupid. My own well-reasoned insights into American foibles are of course the exception.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-12, 18:37:07
Lol, nice.

The first step seems to be for some members to take it upon themselves to provide content and avenues for conversation. Bloggish OPs with plenty of room for opinions welcomed perhaps. Off topic is a bit of a staple in this group but with a fair amount of tact I'm sure it can be minimized for certain topics. If someone drifts too far into rantville the original poster can report the post and ask it to be removed, hopefully before it causes too much drift. Following something along these lines long enough will provide answers to what is possible and how to handle things fairly. No one giving serious effort to provide content deserves to have their efforts train wrecked even if I appreciate the lax attitude of the forum.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-12, 23:50:55
I stand by my vision of rjhowie being the one turning the lights off. New place, same scenario.

The "criticism" of the US on this forum is beyond stupid. My own well-reasoned insights into American foibles are of course the exception.

I entirely disagree with that and I will not align with any solution that passes by member's censorship.

There's millions of people always criticizing the US and they are not here. The criticism on the USA  is not the reason of our concerns about the number of members and I will never accept a witch hunt against those who helped to build this forum.

Rjhowie is an asset so much valid for this forum as any of you and that includes me. And I'm not suspect of any ideological sympathy with him.

I'm certain that any American proud of his heritage would recuse such a treatment of favor and protection. Americans are not children to need others to defend them.

Of course jax is just having a good moment of joke, but what I said is to be taken in account.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: jax on 2015-10-13, 08:04:38
This forum is dying, has been since its inception. As are we of course. It has been the case with every forum since Usenet when cut off from its recruitment ground. It will all end in Nazi spam, the ultimate entropy, if it isn't shut down before that. Throwing in our lot with Otter was good and insufficient. We now have three wilting offshoots from the original forum.

The Vivaldi forum was quickly thrown together to link Opera community with future Vivaldi community, and then left at that. Opera Software and its forum is moving further away from the original. Apart from championing different browser variants, we are all losers, and if you just bunch together a number of losers you don't get a winner, you get Yahoo or HP.

Rjhowie is the one among us with the greatest staying power so far, he could stay on after the rest of us have fallen behind. He is our future.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-13, 16:34:08
we are all losers

Oh crap! I'm exposed... :bye:
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-13, 20:16:17

I stand by my vision of rjhowie being the one turning the lights off. New place, same scenario.

The "criticism" of the US on this forum is beyond stupid. My own well-reasoned insights into American foibles are of course the exception.

I entirely disagree with that and I will not align with any solution that passes by member's censorship.

There's millions of people always criticizing the US and they are not here. The criticism on the USA  is not the reason of our concerns about the number of members and I will never accept a witch hunt against those who helped to build this forum.

Rjhowie is an asset so much valid for this forum as any of you and that includes me. And I'm not suspect of any ideological sympathy with him.

I'm certain that any American proud of his heritage would recuse such a treatment of favor and protection. Americans are not children to need others to defend them.

Of course jax is just having a good moment of joke, but what I said is to be taken in account.


I agree with pretty well all those sentiments, Bel. There's  no gain in singling out anyone. As I understand the "America Feud" it is overstatement countered by overreaction. I hold with neither.

But I do think that such prolonged and bitter feuds don't entice a new poster partly because he/she is repulsed by it but also because a lot of such things have history and posts cannot be replied when they keep referring back to past inter-forum grievances.

That said a forum would be too bland without some spice, it's  just that things go too far too often.

So let's all cool it a bit.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-13, 20:39:03
I want to bring attention to the VR ratio, that is the ratio between the number of views to the number of posts.

I got slightly interested in this in D&D, (not much but slightly). I noticed that many apparently interesting threads had a lowish VR ratio as low as 5 to 7 , the more successful (in terms of frequency of viewing) 10 or 12 upwards. Figures that low indicated that views were mostly from those that posted.

Some very popular threads had a VR ratio of upwards of 70, but they were rare. At that level the viewers were interested in the subject but did not necessarily post.

Those are crude inaccurate statements, and does not take account of double viewing, but interesting to keep in mind if you look at the VR figures for threads. They give an idea on what is happening, and which threads have wider interest. It is quite surprising how large some of the VS ratios are.

That is interesting in terms on which threads, which type of thread, can bring people in.

I mentioned topical posts earlier. If there is a newsworthy event in Lyon, for example a train crash, then a thread on "Train Crash in Lyon, was it terrorism?" may well be found by the flurry of people googling for information on the Train Crash. So topical posts can attract more into DnD.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Emdek on 2015-10-13, 20:41:10
@Frenzie, random idea, maybe we need some kind of blog platform, to get more users and content for search engines?
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-13, 22:27:16
That said a forum would be too bland without some spice, it's  just that things go too far too often.

So let's all cool it a bit.

Having Mr. Howie is akin to having a pet alligator. He's prolly gonna out live ya. Will try to sneak up on ya every chance he gets and if he ever gets a hold of ya he's going for blood. Perhaps a disclaimer would help?
I mentioned topical posts earlier. If there is a newsworthy event in Lyon, for example a train crash, then a thread on "Train Crash in Lyon, was it terrorism?" may well be found by the flurry of people googling for information on the Train Crash. So topical posts can attract more into DnD.

Although, to gain membership you'd probably need some original content with that. Just a link to an article may get you a view but not a member.
@Frenzie, random idea, maybe we need some kind of blog platform, to get more users and content for search engines?

I like this idea. I'm afraid it could become a huge headache for our benefactor though. Be interested in his response anyway.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-13, 22:30:26
I already have two blogs. Don't do enough with either of them to be worth the bother. I suppose if I kick my Wordpress blog a bit I might get somewhere with it though. The Vivaldi-- is a waste of space.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-14, 06:00:24
We should use an old tactic, turn the Forum a restrict and very select Club. Than all the populace wants to get in... :)

Seriously, it could work. Add to the header "Only by Invitation".
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-14, 08:17:36

We should use an old tactic, turn the Forum a restrict and very select Club. Than all the populace wants to get in... :)

Seriously, it could work. Add to the header "Only by Invitation".
How many people would we aim at? Who would invite them? Can spammers invite other spammers?

On a couple of occasions  when I bave thought to invite people, they've said thanks but no thanks. Hence my introspective comments on what is off putting in the forum.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-14, 08:32:36

@Frenzie, random idea, maybe we need some kind of blog platform, to get more users and content for search engines?

Unfortunately that could easily be a major headache (e.g. spamblogs) while I'm not quite convinced of the added value compared to any other old blogging service out there. Well, plus there's the time investment.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Emdek on 2015-10-14, 08:42:39
@Frenzie, sure, but it could be moderated or limited to selected forum members (manually or automatically, based on amount of posts).
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-14, 13:02:48
The moderation is the headache. :P The post count idea sounds pretty good, although I still wonder if anyone's actually waiting for it.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-14, 14:38:59
Yes, the effort of moderation could be large if such an extension took off; limiting it to Members Blogs would help at first (there might be none,!) But it could grow and a rethink would be necessary.

@Emdek - Hi!  --- Hope things are panning out on your side.

A question; there has not been the take-up of discussion type posters we had hope for across from your Otter Browser Forum. Do you think your lot know they are welcome, indeed wanted, to post? Can you think of anything that can be done on your side to encourage them. I did wonder if a sticky thread asking for interest would help to entice some to take part. I suspect that quite a few read the stuff but don't post.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-10-14, 15:30:53

@Frenzie, sure, but it could be moderated or limited to selected forum members (manually or automatically, based on amount of posts).


The post count criteria is also potentially useful with regard to creating an obstacle to accredited members (reducing ghost/spambot members).

Two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-14, 22:59:52
Don't effort yourselves for a blog platform in my case, I'm not interested in having a blog nor am I interested in reading anyone's else.
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The only thing that could work it's personal effort, each one to bring a friend as a new member.
It's difficult, friends usually thinks that we are crazy because posting here...  :lol:

Maybe I can convince one, just one, but he's way more radical defending what I defend, so be prepared... :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-10-14, 23:39:55
Meh, tried that a couple of times. Turns out we are losers.

One kinda stayed.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: jax on 2015-10-15, 06:17:17
Not only we. This forum is a pond removed from its old stream of fresh water, there are many such. First we get stagnant, then we start to stink, and finally we'll be overgrown by weed and dry out.

We are not the only ones to smell funny, decay is all around us. At this stage it is not too late to do something about it, we just don't know what.

I don't think there is any independent blog platform that is prospering. The antisocial social media are taking over, the prime maelstrom Facebook. My tagline for Google is The Lesser Evil, all they do is semi-open, while Facebook take as much as they can of human interaction and ingenuity and make it their property. The rest are mostly Facebook or Google wannabes (Twitter is a little more open than Google and at least some of the owners may regret that). Open alternatives haven't been able to establish themselves, traditional ones are succumbing one by one, Usenet, blogs, forums.

That blob of negativity was just to say that our stinky little pool is relatively fresh water, even when drying out. Closed and owned has gradually been replacing open and free (mind you many closed and owned ones have been sucked up as well).  But if we continue as we do, there will not be a we when this forum is twice as old as now.

Most of the things we can do will increase the effort, not the longevity. I count an independent blog platform among them. If we could free human creativity first then recruiting more people to this forum should be easier.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Emdek on 2015-10-15, 07:20:07
@Emdek - Hi!  --- Hope things are panning out on your side.

A question; there has not been the take-up of discussion type posters we had hope for across from your Otter Browser Forum. Do you think your lot know they are welcome, indeed wanted, to post? Can you think of anything that can be done on your side to encourage them. I did wonder if a sticky thread asking for interest would help to entice some to take part. I suspect that quite a few read the stuff but don't post.

I guess that there are simply not enough users registering from otter-browser.org to let them become more visible in other threads...
We need continuous stream of new features to attract new users, hoping that at least some of them will be active outside that section.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-15, 22:18:12
If we could free human creativity first then recruiting more people to this forum should be easier.

+1

The rest of your post is correct.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-21, 00:20:28
I've already said the Vivaldi is a waste of space. Recently they went out of their way to make navigation harder on their blog/forum platform and have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. If I want to lose a post so no one will ever find it--- I know where to do it.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-21, 07:07:19
It's a pity to hear that. Their browser's actually reasonably usable these days.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-12-22, 12:24:06
Not only we. This forum is a pond removed from its old stream of fresh water, there are many such. First we get stagnant, then we start to stink, and finally we'll be overgrown by weed and dry out.

We are not the only ones to smell funny, decay is all around us. At this stage it is not too late to do something about it, we just don't know what.
[...]
But if we continue as we do, there will not be a we when this forum is twice as old as now.

Your post deserves more reflection than I gave it initially (even if agreeing with or exactly because of that).
The fact it didn't trigger any passionated discussion is it already the proof of it's veracity? the acceptance of a fate no one can fight against?

I don't know...  but one thing I know, in the middle of a desert a little small pond means life, the only place with life. If it dries it's because everything in life has it's own time to exist, no more no less.
It doesn't matter if one can achieve his objectives what matters is if one keeps on trying. That's what will always remain, objectives being just temporary.

Your reference to an independent blog platform seems to me as something worthwhile of trying. If it succeeds it means that the small pond made it's way against all odds.

Who would had imagined that we would arrive to such a point when a small forum turns into an act of resistance in the middle of general indifference and apathy...

Happy Christmas. :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-12-22, 12:38:33
Merry Christmas to all! :)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: string on 2015-12-23, 20:02:42
Merry Christmas to us all. :drunk: :jester:
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: jax on 2015-12-24, 09:16:07
Bah!

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Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Luxor on 2015-12-24, 12:31:52
Merry Xmas Everybody. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Yahoo.gif)
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2016-02-02, 20:27:47
It's getting close to my turn to say  :bye:. Not because of any irritations here, but because everybody has a set time to live and it appears mine is running out. Terminal cancer got me, little can be done beyond comfort, so-- wait for time to run out.

I have been from Jan. 12 until today without computer access, now that I am back online I'll try to keep up and put in an appearance while I can.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-02-02, 20:32:09
That is a terrible thing to hear. Our thoughts are with you.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Luxor on 2016-02-02, 21:17:08
You are in my thoughts mjmsprt40. Make the most of your precious time.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-03, 18:59:21
It's a sad thing to lose a posting brother.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-04, 14:54:18
Indeed. I'm at a loss for words.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Barulheira on 2016-02-09, 11:04:56
I'm going to miss you terribly. What a loss! God bless you and take care of you and your beloved ones.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: jax on 2016-02-10, 05:45:13
Ugh, that is horrible. Time is not a generous banker, and seems to be foreclosing on the space aliens among us.
Title: Re: Bye.
Post by: Barulheira on 2016-02-15, 12:48:44
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