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Title: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2015-12-19, 15:42:52
Hi, been lurking for a while, and finally joined to ask this as I couldn't find an obvious answer anywhere.
Why is there a separate download now for Otter updates for Windows XP?

I'm running 32 bit XP SP3 and I'm still using the normal exe update files and everything seems to be fine.
What is the difference with the specifically XP zip option?

When I check for updates now a mesage pops up saying that downloads may not be available for my platform, which never used to happen, and I now have to go to the delails page and manually select the download I want, when it used to just happen. I guess this is because I'm on XP, but why?

I really like the look of Otter BTW, although it still needs some functional additions before I would consider using it all the time, such as synchronisation, spell checking, and password storage. It is much nearer in look and feel to my beloved Opera 12 than Vivaldi is though.

Keep up the good work, and Happy Christmas and New Year to you all!
Cheers, Dave.
:)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2015-12-19, 17:07:10
@DaveH, that separate option is needed for versions that do not have the newest Service Pack installed.
It's compiled using minGW instead of MSVC and it supports older APIs.
The issue with update checker most likely comes from issue with update metadata, which is still missing...
I really like the look of Otter BTW, although it still needs some functional additions before I would consider using it all the time, such as synchronisation, spell checking, and password storage.

Well, at least that last two of these are planned for next release, hopefully they will both make it into beta 9. ;-)

Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2015-12-19, 19:41:37
Thanks for the prompt reply Emdek, much appreciated!
Looks from what you say that I'm OK using the normal installer as I have XP SP3 installed.
Hopefully the update routine will return to as it was before soon.
Good news about the spell checking and pasword saving. Of course synchonisation is a lot harder as you will have to have some sort of server at your end to do it, but maybe one day!
Cheers, Dave.
:)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2015-12-19, 21:27:48
@DaveH, most likely we will end up with ability to create extra backends for services that offer some form of cloud based storage etc.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2016-02-18, 20:08:50
Opera have just announced that they are dropping support for Windows XP and Vista.
Opera 36 will be the last that will run on XP. Opera Developer 37, released two days ago, will already install on XP, but won't run.
I assume this is because of Chromium dropping support, which has led to Google Chrome dropping XP and Vista support in April.
This will potentially affect all Chromium-based browsers of course, including Vivaldi.
How is Otter affected by this, if at all?
???
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-02-18, 20:16:42
Otter isn't directly affected by Chromium, but XP is definitely getting harder to support (http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/windows-issues.html). That being said, I'd seriously consider upgrading from XP to e.g. Xubuntu if Windows 7 and higher aren't your cup of tea.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2016-02-21, 16:00:05
@DaveH, we will try to keep support for XP as long as it is possible, but you really consider upgrade to something from this decade. ;-)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2016-02-26, 23:49:01
Thanks guys, and sorry for the delay in responding.
I do use Windows 8.1 as well on my machine, which is multi-boot, so I'm not quite a Luddite, I still just prefer XP for most of my computer use.
I hope Otter carries on working on it, but I well understand that eventually something will force support to be dropped.
I'm just gald that Chromium's lack of XP compatibility won't be the reason!
:)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Borut on 2016-04-21, 21:51:52
I am one of the Win XP SP3 users, that (hopefully) know what (and why) they are doing. Being a long time user of Opera 12.x, I had great hopes in Vivaldi and first heard about Otter on Vivaldi blog in April 2016, shortly after Vivaldi dropped support for Win XP (after Chromium did the same).

Although I also use Win7, nothing above it is my cup of tea (it will be Linux, probably Mint). So, please do try to support Win XP SP3 as long as at all possible. I think that there are more Win XP users that would be happy. The current ability to support Win XP seems to be almost unique to Otter now.

Otter surprised and impressed me! I feel that you lack public relations (at least there should be a Wikipedia article about the Otter Browser, I would say).

Thank you for what you are doing!
Borut
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2016-04-22, 11:19:28
Firefox still supports XP and Vista at the moment, but no-one knows how long that will last.
Opera have said (http://www.opera.com/blogs/desktop/2016/02/initial-opera-developer-37-release/) that they will continue to support Opera 36 with security patches for XP and Vista users for an unspecified period, but apart from Otter that's about it for now.
All the other Chromium based browsers will have to drop support now that Chromium 50 is the current version.
 :cry:
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: scriveyn on 2016-05-16, 18:37:04
I just want to give a heads-up as one of my machines runs WinXP SP2 - The team is doing a brilliant job! 

After a few months when I had no time to keep up with Otter developments, I dl'ed Beta10 today and I think it's ready now for most of my browsing.

Is there already a way to manipulate (context-)menus like the menu.ini in Opera? Couldn't find it so far.
What I need among other things is something like
Code: [Select]
Item, "Open in IrfanView" = Copy Image & Execute program, "C:\Program Files\...\i_view32.exe", "/clippaste"

so I can open & edit any image in IrfanView.   :D
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2016-06-17, 11:11:54
@scriveyn, you can modify context menu but currently there is no documentation for that, note that this specific action is not doable yet.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: palacs on 2016-07-12, 09:32:37
Please keep Windows XP support as long as you can.

You could even try Visual Studio 2010 to build your Windows binaries. Visual Studio 2010 is the last to support XP but it supports newer systems as well. Google Chrome used to be built with VS 2010 until Google dropped the support for XP. Visual Studio produces faster and smaller binaries than MinGW.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2016-07-24, 08:38:35
@palacs, I'm not sure if Qt has still support for VS 2010...
Plus our codebase won't compile there since it has very outdated C++ standards support (even VS 2013 requires patch).
We can keep outdated builds of legacy QtWebKit, but these haven't been updated in long time, which makes them less secure.
I've asked maintainer of revived QtWebKit, they are interested in proper mingw support, nut supporting XP might be no longer possible.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2016-08-21, 23:20:06
Weekly #137 doesn't work in XP.
I'm getting "The procedure entry point SleepConditionVariableCS could not be found in the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll".
Is that it, no more Windows XP support?
 :awww:
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: mihau on 2016-08-22, 12:57:06
Weekly #137 doesn't work in XP.
I'm getting "The procedure entry point SleepConditionVariableCS could not be found in the dynamic link library KERNEL32.dll".
Is that it, no more Windows XP support?
 :awww:


have you downloaded the "ZIP package for Windows XP or later, 32 bit, legacy QtWebKit (42.4 MiB);" currently linked on otter-browser.org?
works fine on my SP3

@Emdek & co.: thanks for providing seperate packages for XP; this makes it one of two modern browsers still available on this old OS, with the other one being the now bloated Firefox; Chromium and its clones and derivates (Chrome, Vivaldi, post v15 "Opera" et al) all dropped XP support several months ago.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2016-08-22, 13:29:53
Thanks, yes that still works!
I thought the separate download for XP was only for those without SP3.
It is using an older and presumably now out of date version of QtWebKit though, which presumably will now always be the case.
As a matter of interest, both Opera and Slimjet still have forks for XP (36 and 10 respectively) that they have said will be maintained with security and stability patches for as long as possible. No new features though of course.
Slimjet 10 is based on Chromium 50, but sadly they weren't able to go any further than that and keep it working properly on XP.
 :(
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: kwaku1 on 2017-04-14, 15:41:14
To i ja się podłączę z prośbą. Również jestem użytkownikiem Windows XP. Będę go używać, dokąd się da. :) Dlatego zwracam się z wielką prośbą. Dokąd będą możliwości, proszę uprzejmie, daj szansę użytkownikom Widows XP

Pozdrawiam serdecznie. Miłych świąt. :)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-04-14, 20:21:37
@kwaku1, będziemy wspierać tak długo jak się będzie dało, spokojnie. ;-)
Także życzę wesołych Świąt.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-06-12, 17:06:39
I've finally managed to build test package using msys2 (http://msys2.org/) but it turns out that it doesn't work under XP anymore. :-/
There is still a chance to get updated QtWebKit  for that platform but we will have to wait some more for another chance...
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-07-10, 19:58:45
And there is finally good news, I've managed to build XP compatible binaries using MXE (https://github.com/mxe/mxe), thus bringing Qt 5.6.2 and modern QtWebKit to that platform. :-)
Also there was change that should fix SSL errors, so the biggest remaining issue will be multimedia support (I'm still experimenting with GStreamer backend for QtWebKit under Windows).
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-07-10, 22:08:24
Thanks Emdek, that is great news!
I'm sure all those who are still having to stick with XP for whatever reason will be very grateful indeed for all your efforts.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Alex31 on 2017-07-12, 12:37:15
Hi
Error,
Windows XP package was updated to Qt 5.6.2 and revived QtWebKit (184)
Windows XP SP2  Flash error on all videos with close otter browser  :nervous:
No youtube video possible
Error stop point (0x0000003) location 0x6b94efca
otter browser 183  flash 26.0.0.131 is OK with Win XPsp2
thank you for your work
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-07-13, 14:50:27
YouTube seems to be OK here, using the Flash Player rather than HTML5, but I think that's expected on XP.
The only thing that seems a bit strange is that when I right click on the video I see the nortmal right click dialogue rather than the Flash Player doalogue that I would expect to see.
 :)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-07-13, 17:39:43
@Alex31, works fine here, Flash 26 (NPAPI variant) under Windows XP SP3.

@DaveH, locally I have build that can handle all popular codecs, including WebM and MP4, but I'll have to disable h264 support before publishing due to legal reasons...
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-07-13, 20:58:51
That sounds great!
:)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Alex31 on 2017-07-14, 16:42:13
Hi
Same error on otter browser 184 than Mike on all website with videos, windows XP  sp2 package
http://funkyimg.com/i/2voJp.jpg
Topic: [Weekly 184] Mike
http://funkyimg.com/i/2vo9X.jpg
 ???
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-07-14, 17:27:01
Any reason why you haven't installed SP3?
That could be the problem.
:)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-07-14, 19:41:43
@Alex31, try this:
https://otter-browser.org/tmp/otter-browser-xp2.zip
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Alex31 on 2017-07-14, 22:58:42
Thanks for otter browser 184 xp2
2 error message when launching program
Boot file not found
libgstrtsp-1.0-0.dll
libsoup-2.4-1.dll
No flash for web pages with video, only html 5 without error
French language not available
Thanks, how to support flash and switch language  ???
"Error stop point (0x0000003) location 0x6b94efca" has been fixed
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-07-16, 17:06:24
@Alex31, no idea about flash, but note that by default it's loaded on demand only (you have to either click plugin icon in address field or the placeholders).
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-07, 23:38:18
YouTube is not working on Windows XP now at all, even with Weekly #187.
I'm just getting a message that the browser doesn't recognise any of the video formats available.
It's no longer falling back to the Flash Player either.
 :(
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Mike on 2017-08-08, 08:10:18
@DaveH, replace in link watch?v= to v/
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-08, 12:00:20
Do you mean change say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNY73_YcZVY to https://www.youtube.com/v/NNY73_YcZVY I just get a black screen if I do that.
 :(
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Alex31 on 2017-08-08, 15:14:54
Hi
The way to have youtube in flash on otter xp 187 is to go through a youtube clone.
Www.tonvid.com the website of "smtube" and flash works in full screen ... :worried:
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-08-08, 17:27:33
@DaveH, you can try disabling multimedia in about:config, you need to disable QtWebKitBackend/EnableMedia, maybe that will help.
Note that it should be possible to bring all required codecs but it requires preparing special configuration to make it legal (H264...).
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-08, 18:35:56
Changing that setting removes the error message and the HTML5 video controls, leaving just a black rectangle.
I tried https://www.youtube.com/v/NNY73_YcZVY again, and this time it worked. It didn't play automatically, but on clicking the (huge) white play arrow symbol, the video did play in full screen, using the Flash Player.
Not ideal though, it needs to work on the normal YouTube pages with the normal links!
 :)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-08-08, 18:44:18
@DaveH, you can also try mixing lib folder from otter-browser-xp2.zip with weekly, that should produce more complete multimedia support (just remember to re-enable that option).
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-08, 19:39:56
Thanks Emdek, that worked!
 :up:
The videos are now playing using HTML5 on the normal YouTube pages.
Will I have to do that substitution every time I update the weekly?
Cheers, Dave.
 :)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-08-08, 19:44:26
@DaveH, yeah, for now, once I'll find some time to create proper configuration using OpenH264 it won't be needed.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-08, 19:51:01
Understood, thanks again.
 :)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-14, 15:06:41
@Emdek
I just updated to weekly 188, and the YouTube videos are still working!
 :up:
Did you do the update you mentioned?
Cheers, Dave.
 :)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-08-14, 16:14:52
@DaveH, not yet, but if you unpacked it over old files then it could explain that (in case of HTML5 multimedia).
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: DaveH on 2017-08-14, 17:48:38
Yes, since I've had to use the ZIP package I just unzip the files and then cut and paste them over to the Otter folder, where they overwrite any existing versions with the same name of course. I guess the files in the "Lib" folder that I copied from the XP SP2 package aren't being replaced as they don't exist at all in the new packages. That's good of course!
 :up:
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: nanercy on 2017-09-05, 02:39:53
How do you do?

I installed weekly191 and used in little time, and I will report some bugs.

The buttons on tool bar what located by me, are displayed by the language I chose.
But once click them, and they turn to english.

1 more, the mouse gesture seems disable.
I often use locker gestures, and I used it to w191 but gesture had no responce.
Should I set them in config menu?

I don't know that the troubles will happen between w174 to w190.

Thanks to read.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-09-05, 08:37:47
@nanercy, see known issues, default settings were missing in weekly 191, they will be back in 192.
What buttons exactly and which language? I'll try to reproduce that.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: nanercy on 2017-09-05, 09:44:23
Thanks for reply.

I didn't read known issues, sorry.
Buttons of I putting are "Enable Javascript" and "Website Preferences", and language is japanese.

I checked again the trouble, after wrote to here.
I clicked buttons, then they turned to english, and turned to japanese again when I clicked other places in browser window.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-09-05, 10:46:34
@nanercy, confirmed, should be fixed for weekly 192.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: nanercy on 2017-09-09, 12:47:42
I got w192 and checked the buttons that didn't turn to english.
Thanks for debug.
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Toltek on 2017-11-17, 09:09:05
@Alex31, works fine here, Flash 26 (NPAPI variant) under Windows XP SP3.

@DaveH, locally I have build that can handle all popular codecs, including WebM and MP4, but I'll have to disable h264 support before publishing due to legal reasons...

Does any version of Otter for XP Pro have the h264 support working, or are all disabled? I ask because I am looking for a browser that can deal with h264 (already have three browsers that use Flash).
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-11-17, 20:51:50
@Toltek, download this and unpack newer versions on top of it:
https://otter-browser.org/tmp/otter-browser-xp2.zip
The proper solution is to recompile GStreamer against OpenH264 but so far  haven't found time to test it...
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Alex31 on 2017-11-18, 11:11:16
@Alex31, works fine here, Flash 26 (NPAPI variant) under Windows XP SP3.

@DaveH, locally I have build that can handle all popular codecs, including WebM and MP4, but I'll have to disable h264 support before publishing due to legal reasons...

Does any version of Otter for XP Pro have the h264 support working, or are all disabled? I ask because I am looking for a browser that can deal with h264 (already have three browsers that use Flash).
To watch my videos in h264 on Windows XP sp2 I use new moon in portable version in addition to Otter-Browser.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Ffunkyimg.com%2Fp%2F2zsCE.png&hash=e7beac5f005d0aca7de19cc22c967e6f" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://funkyimg.com/p/2zsCE.png) (http://funkyimg.com/view/2zsCE)

I prefer to open my videos with an external link on the latest functional version of MPV with youtube-dl. exe for Windows XP inside the new moon 100% GPU radeon, because I didn't find how to do it with Otter-browser.
forum
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/177125-my-build-of-new-moon-temp-name-aka-pale-moon-for-xp/
 ;)
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Frenzie on 2017-11-18, 15:33:08
@Emdek Isn't H264 legally free for open-source projects or something like that?
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: Emdek on 2017-11-18, 18:09:53
@Frenzie, the only safe way is to use that library, this is how Firefox gained support for that codec under Windows,
Title: Re: Otter and Windows XP
Post by: maxxproff on 2018-09-15, 03:59:55
download this and unpack newer versions on top of it:
https://otter-browser.org/tmp/otter-browser-xp2.zip (https://otter-browser.org/tmp/otter-browser-xp2.zip)
Hello!
There is one additional library libgstlibav.dll at lib\gstreamer-1.0\ at this archive.
Without this dll all other builds won't play video!
I copied it to all different builds and now they play youtube video fine!
.
I cheked dll dependences and found that at builds for WinXP you uses dsengine.dll v5.6.2,
but it requires Direct3DCreate9Ex function at d3d9.dll -this dll doesn't implement this function at WinXP
...and MFGetService function at MF.dll -there is no such dll at WinXP
At WinXP it is impossible, but I don't know, maybe there is no troubles with working...
I found dsengine.dll v5.6.1 for WinXP. It was build with depends of libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll,
I cheked all dependences for it and then I replace these dlls at your last WinXP build for tests.
.
Is it possible to do MSE working at www.youtube.com/html5 ?
EnableMediaSource =YES/NO -It shows MSE not working before this changes and after...
.
https://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/download/   -there are placed gstreamer-1.0 official binaries for Windows.
I have checked it should work with Otter browser at WinXP too, but it have some other dll-dependencies. I try to complain it...