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Title: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-18, 16:17:06
Well, I was going to open a thread on Facebook, but I've changed my mind.

The Problem With Facebook is closed because of a change of heart and a lack of interest.

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Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-02-18, 21:39:57
Strangely enough, you older people are the ones keeping FB afloat these days.

The younger (20 and below) generation are apparently leaving in droves.

I keep one (as you well know) to keep in touch with friends abroad and for my casino games.
If I didn't have either, I'd not hesitate in de-activating mine.

It's naught but:

1. Who is getting married.
2. Who is getting divorced and is usually accompanied by some trash-talking of said soon-divorcee.
3. Who is getting pregnant.
4. How one really feels about politics.
5. (in my great Aunt's case) Preaching to heathens ad nauseum. (then she has the nerve to get upset when I delete her)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2016-07-31, 13:51:57
Standoff between Facebook and IRS

Facebook May Owe $5 Billion in Federal Taxes (http://fortune.com/2016/07/29/facebook-irs-taxes/)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-07-31, 16:33:04
Huh, I had no idea we had this topic. In Europe I believe it's mainly about whether Facebook abides by privacy laws, but I wouldn't be surprised if they might need to pay some wayward taxes either. But of course there isn't a single company that'll pay too many taxes. Accidentally paying too little though... :P
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2016-07-31, 18:27:50
In this case, the tagline of the article states, "At issue is the way Facebook moved assets to Ireland." This is always at issue, both in Europe and in the States.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-07-31, 18:33:33
True, true.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-07-31, 18:50:11
Kind of tried it but lost interest and got rid of it ages ago.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-07-31, 21:10:07
Face recognition softwares, used by all the polices, the same polices that register in video people's right to express at political rallies, can identify 2000 individuals per second. If those individuals are registered at some digital database.

That digital database it's called with no surprise Facebook.
Another invention by the Americans.

Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-01, 09:10:31
Not the British, with cameras on every street corner...? :)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-08-01, 23:31:25
Not the British, with cameras on every street corner...?  :)
Sorry, you're right, I forgot your servants role.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-02, 03:16:47
Your dung heap doesn't have video surveillance? :)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-08-02, 22:59:34
Nope, you're the ones that feels secure by video monitoring your own shit. The coprophile nature of yours.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-08-03, 05:24:35
As usual, Bel, an ignorant opinion... Perhaps Thomas (or is it Nostradamus? :) ) supports it? Or the current Pope, Ignoramus Francis? :(
Do you, like him, wish Marxism to have a resurgence? :)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-08-05, 00:06:02
Safer with a camera that a legion of trigger happy cops. from I wonder where??
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-08-13, 12:41:52
As usual, Bel, an ignorant opinion...
Hardly could I be considered the ignorant champion around here, but you Oak, you're certainly running for the title.
Do you, like him, wish Marxism to have a resurgence?  :)
Good advance, you're letting your competitors far behind... :)

It would be certainly amazing to listen to an American explaining what Marxism is about but I'll spare that effort for you. Neither me or the Pope could ever defend Marxism the same way we'll never defend your amoral capitalism.

On topic, I keep resisting to Facebook.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-08-13, 17:33:30
On topic, I keep resisting to Facebook.
Probably a good idea. These days it's nothing but diatribes, disputes, and divorce.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2016-08-13, 18:08:00
These days it's nothing but diatribes, disputes, and divorce.
What was it earlier?
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-08-13, 20:05:02
These days it's nothing but diatribes, disputes, and divorce.
What was it earlier?

Touche'  :D
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Mr. Tennessee on 2016-08-16, 15:38:26
But of course there isn't a single company that'll pay too many taxes. Accidentally paying too little though.
Odd, isn't it? Myself? I pay my taxes and add $1200 to the total. I used to think everybody did that. :jester:  Trump :jester: ? He doesn't pay any...at least that's what Hillary says. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-10-04, 23:21:42
Speaking about Facebook, a few years ago, I mean five or six years, face recognition top softwares were able to identify two thousand faces per second if those faces were at some database. Today, it will be much, much more.

These son of a bitch don't even are ashamed about what they do, so they call it Facebook, the book of faces, the place where idiots delivers their face images, their colleagues, their family, their friends.

You really deserve what's going to happen you.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2016-10-05, 18:02:28
Facebook not just watches what you watch,[1] it also makes statistics of it and then inserts related[2] stuff into your FB flow. For people who have most of their life there[3] and who treat it like life,[4] it becomes increasingly the only life.

Now, real life is as it is - it includes Facebook. But Facebook-life is a web of virtual relations and an echochamber of stuff virtually related thereto. People get stuck there soul and body.

Let's add to this that companies are also increasingly present as users on Facebook, promoting themselves, collecting friends and likes, joining and creating groups. Everybody does that - industries, media outlets, banks, government offices, and innumerable swindlers. So poor people don't only get stuck on Facebook, they will get screwed too. That's how deeply Facebook sucks. And people get sucked in there all the more easier because this life blows.
You don't need to even click, it's enough to pause scrolling.
Related according to FB&Google logic.
Not just friends, but groups like family, workmates, schoolpals, hobbies, shopping, also correspondence like comments, shares, and chat history.
They go there every day or almost and they spend there all day or nearly so, as if life depended on it.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-10-05, 21:06:07
But Facebook-life is a web of virtual relations
Yes it is.
But I want to let very clear that Facebook is not only the "virtual some shit" menace. There's no political manifestation in the streets that is not filmed by the police with hd cameras so every one present will be identified by their photos at Facebook.
Real life totalitarianism is happening everyday all over the western world, this is not just some virtual world menace. It's reality.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Mr. Tennessee on 2016-10-13, 10:58:20

Real life totalitarianism is happening everyday all over the western world, this is not just some virtual world menace. It's reality.
Absolutely!
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Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-10-14, 21:32:32
I would enjoy a dictator. Would help my shyness, lack of opinion and failure to be controversial.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Macallan on 2016-10-27, 13:28:31
These days it's nothing but diatribes, disputes, and divorce.
What was it earlier?
Photos of people's lunches, silly quizes and various religious outbursts?
No real clue, I only signed up last year to get in touch with an old friend I lost contact with.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2016-10-27, 15:45:22
No real clue, I only signed up last year to get in touch with an old friend I lost contact with.
I can recommend the Facebook movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/) but it really mystifies instead of de-mystifies the whole phenomenon.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-10-27, 16:27:16
I've had a Facebook account for a decade or close to it. I suppose it used to be more like every other social networking-type site but then it started tailoring stuff. I try to use it as little as possible, but I haven't taken the drastic step of account deletion like my wife.

Since Facebook started tailoring content you see stuff sort of at random and if you go to another page it's gone. Facebook is the hellhole where you can't find anything. Perhaps on the plus side, you can't find anything. It's like a meaner version of Snapchat in that way.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-10-28, 22:15:45
Facebookers will be hanged.
What an wonderful "like".
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-10-29, 05:57:55
You still live in an alternate reality, Bel...
I don't use Facebook; but the number of people I know who don't I can count on the fingers of one hand! And I am not a shop teacher... (I don't know that many people, nowadays -- so that may not mean very much. I make one or two cellphone calls a month, and have never "texted" anyone... Still, I talk to people all the time; friends, family, acquaintances. I try to have a joke ready for one convenience-store clerk every time I "visit," because he enjoys comedy and I enjoy making people laugh.) I'll not likely "adopt" the more prominent "social media," and rail against them occasionally, as is my wont. But they are a facet of modern life that we need to address...
Or, like you, ignore -- like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. (Does that really happen? If you opine, where did you get your information/verification? :) )

As Tom Lehrer said a long time ago: "Remember the war against Franco... That's the kind where each of us belongs! He may have won all the battles: But we had all the best songs! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yygMhtNQJ9M)"
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-10-29, 10:26:40
You still live in an alternate reality, Bel...
[...]
Or, like you, ignore -- like an ostrich sticking its head in the sand. (Does that really happen? If you opine, where did you get your information/verification?  :)  )
What I like about you is that you always interpret reality upside down Oakdale. So, it's me the one living an alternate reality, not the hordes of brainless catatonic zombies that have migrated for the isolation of their virtual facebook platform and the sort. Brilliant.

I don't ignore, I resist.
All the virtual life is been implemented in order to isolate each and most of human beings. Isolated and disoriented people can't resist to the New Totalitarianism that makes all past forms of repression a paradise compared with it.
You do well keeping outside facebook.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Mr. Tennessee on 2016-10-29, 12:23:40
From my perspective, the value of FB is that it provides a quick link to family members who live at a distance, colleagues whom I've lost touch with and alien spirits.

Oh, and Donald Trump's page for quick updates on His Spookiness, the candidate.
https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/ (https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-10-30, 05:29:46
haha. And he is only 3 points behind a very experienced (if but crafty and a con) candidate! Tells you much about people over there.  :awww:
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2017-09-07, 09:38:03
Facebook uncovers Russia-funded misinformation campaign
Quote from: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-41182519
The company said $100,000 (£77,000) was spent on about 3,000 ads over a two-year period, ending in May 2017.

The ads did not back any political figures specifically, but instead posted on topics including immigration, race and equal rights.

[...]

The advertisements directed users towards around 470 accounts that spread false information or were otherwise in breach of Facebook's terms and conditions, the site said.

"The ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum," the company said in a blog post published on Wednesday (https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/09/information-operations-update/).

The company said it believed, but could not independently confirm, that the accounts were created by the so-called Internet Research Agency, a St Petersburg-based group known for posting pro-Kremlin messages on social media.

Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-09-07, 18:07:30
"The ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum, [...]"
Like Russia/USSR never did such things before... :)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2017-09-07, 19:29:16
"The ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum, [...]"
Like Russia/USSR never did such things before... :)
This is the guy you voted for. Tell me he is not spouting divisive messages. Is Putin paying him or is Trump doing it for free?

Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-09-07, 19:50:33
This is the guy you voted for. Tell me he is not spouting divisive messages. Is Putin paying him or is Trump doing it for free?
Trump is a loose cannon, no doubt!
But Putin can do your country real harm. Trump can only give lip-service support for your country, thus angering Putin...
Best wishes and good luck with your choices.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2017-09-07, 20:21:20
Best wishes and good luck with your choices.
You mean I have a choice in what they will do? Tell me, what colour is the sky in your world?

Both guys suck totally and I don't care if they unfriend each other on FB or not.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-09-07, 20:38:59
Tut, tut, OakdaleFTL. The routine rubbish about Putin!
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-09-07, 23:31:49
There's two things that really irritate me in this brave new world, facebook and tatoos.
Title: The happy man
Post by: Barulheira on 2017-09-08, 12:01:13
Just two? You must be a very happy man! :)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Luxor on 2017-09-08, 12:08:12
There's two things that really irritate me in this brave new world, facebook and tatoos.
I get the facebook thing, but I find tattoos an odd thing to be irritated by.  ???
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2017-09-08, 12:17:56
Tats aren't exactly new, either. :P
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-09-08, 23:03:07
Tattos are the demonstration of an empty soul and an irrelevant body.
These days something proper of the lower classes.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-09-09, 00:56:52
No time for tattoos at all. I think they are a long drag fall out from primitive days and a sign of daft tribalism. As is this daft thing about so many men jumping onto the beards  copying immaturity.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2017-09-09, 08:12:04
Tattos are the demonstration of an empty soul and an irrelevant body.
These days something proper of the lower classes.
It's a matter of culture (think Maori, for example).

The tattoo subculture in Europe has been expanding for quite a while and lack of tattoos is not as clear a mark of distinction for normal people as it used to be.

Where I live, tattoos used to unequivocally signify ex-convicts. They are still recognisable for the distinct pale colour and symbolism of their tattoos.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2017-09-09, 10:32:16
Sailors have traditionally sported tattoos and I think to some degree they still do. I'm not sure if convict tattoos are really a thing (here). I've always had the impression that those were more of an American/Russian (Eastern-European?) thing.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-09-10, 01:14:48
Still archaic and medieval at least.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2017-09-10, 04:40:54
Yet another ultra-exotic financial-commercial instrument being created in United States of America. Welcome another brain-child of Zuckerberg.
Quote from: http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-zuckerberg-to-testify-in-lawsuit-against-plan-to-create-non-voting-facebook-shares-2017-9
Originally filed in April 2016, the class action lawsuit seeks to block Zuckerberg's plan to reclassify Facebook's stock structure and create a new class of non-voting shares. The proposed issuing of non-voting, Class-C shares would concentrate Zuckerberg's majority voting rights even as he sells his holdings over time to fund his philanthropic efforts.

So far, the lawsuit's discovery process has surfaced controversial text messages between Zuckerberg and Facebook board member Marc Andreessen, who the plaintiffs have accused of surreptitiously coaching Zuckerberg through a negotiation process with a special committee to win board approval for the stock change.
By the way, the Facebook movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1285016/) is both historically accurate and artistically passable social commentary.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2017-09-12, 15:38:21
Still archaic and medieval at least.
Strange Mr. Howie. I always figured you as someone who would sport a tattoo, such as a Union Jack tattoo emblazoned with "Death Before Dishonour" on your right arm, or something like that.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-09-12, 17:58:07
Now doesn't that title come from an American film of years ago? I equally know that soldiers wherever love to have the tattoo stuff on them but it does not alter my tut-tut stance on such medieval play. And anyway i have a neat Union Flag badge on the collar of two jackets (and another with William price of orange - of course!). Have a flag sitting on a nice pole in my living room next to the picture of HM The Queen above my fireplace. Now you have caused me to try and find my other two flags with one being the old Russian Imperial Flag and the other the saltire (Scots influence?) styled battle flag of the CSA........ :knight:

ps My late father two brothers all served in our army so don't you get jealous of a real military boy!  :happy:
Title: The Problem With Samsung
Post by: ersi on 2019-01-08, 19:52:15
Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook
Quote from: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-08/samsung-phone-users-get-a-shock-they-can-t-delete-facebook
Winke bought his Samsung Galaxy S8, an Android-based device that comes with Facebook's social network already installed, when it was introduced in 2017. He has used the Facebook app to connect with old friends and to share pictures of natural landscapes and his Siamese cat -- but he didn't want to be stuck with it. He tried to remove the program from his phone, but the chatter proved true -- it was undeletable. He found only an option to "disable," and he wasn't sure what that meant.
I discovered within a week from my purchase of Note 4 that some preinstalled apps, such as Facebook, cannot be uninstalled. For this guy it took like two years. The news should be perturbed about *that.*
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-01-08, 20:43:18
It's one of the first things I've discovered on all three "smart"phones I've bought since my first one some eight years ago. It goes something like:

1. Connect to wifi
2. Import contacts, setup e-mail and calendar
3. Delete Facebook (and other stuff I don't want)

But deleting doesn't work for Facebook. Only disabling. The weirdest part is that at least some of the ASUS & Sony bloatware can be deleted, showing that Facebook doesn't actually need to be made part of the "system" in order to come preinstalled.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: jax on 2019-01-09, 11:37:32
Disable is progress of sorts. Previous versions of Android only allowed certain Google apps and others to revert to unupdated versions. But Facebook is not on that list on a Sony from last year. Facebook is (presumably) removed, not disabled.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-01-09, 14:26:38
I couldn't delete Facebook from my Sony Xperia XA2 without unlocking the bootloader and slightly deteriorating the camera quality in the process. Of course I wouldn't have done it if I were planning to stick with stock Android.

We'll see how much I like Sailfish for actual daily use. I definitely intend to give it a good try. I don't really understand why the imo better phone operating systems (Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish & Windows Mobile/Phone) aren't more popular. Sure, nowadays they're niche products that require an effort to acquire, but I'm talking more about the critical ~2008-2010 period when Maemo and Windows Mobile were readily available and miles ahead of the competition. Then again, Microsoft messed things up with Windows Phone even if the basic UX was pretty decent. /sigh
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2019-01-09, 16:08:44
I don't really understand why the imo better phone operating systems (Maemo/MeeGo/Sailfish & Windows Mobile/Phone) aren't more popular. Sure, nowadays they're niche products that require an effort to acquire, but I'm talking more about the critical ~2008-2010 period when Maemo and Windows Mobile were readily available and miles ahead of the competition.
I suspect about the same reason as why Linux is not more popular than Windows. Even though Linux is lightyears ahead in customisability, there is no major corporate push for it and  some critical apps (office software, graphics design, games) are unavailable for it.

Similarly, Android has all the apps, so nobody else can survive, unless they support Android apps. But since all success depends on Andoid apps, why have anything else than Android?

I am a bit more curious about iOS. iPhone costs a ton. Then you pay for many apps too on top of that. Why would anyone agree to it? It's as if Apple fans were a different planet (I see them only on YT, I refuse to believe they exist in real).

Then again, Microsoft messed things up with Windows Phone even if the basic UX was pretty decent. /sigh
It took special talent to mess that one up. Microsoft has it.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-01-10, 13:36:27
I suspect about the same reason as why Linux is not more popular than Windows. Even though Linux is lightyears ahead in customisability, there is no major corporate push for it and  some critical apps (office software, graphics design, games) are unavailable for it.
I don't think there was a lack of corporate push on Microsoft's end with well-functional Outlook integration, etc. I suspect they must've wanted something device manufacturers didn't, or maybe device manufacturers were just afraid of what MS might do if they also obtained a phone monopoly.

For them Android was clearly good enough for something, but it was never very clear to me just what that something was. I've always thought that '07/'08 era iPhones and Android phones were clearly inferior to my contemporary feature phone,[1] the SE s500i, which could also install apps like Opera Mini and Google Maps using Java ME.[2]

I am a bit more curious about iOS. iPhone costs a ton. Then you pay for many apps too on top of that. Why would anyone agree to it? It's as if Apple fans were a different planet (I see them only on YT, I refuse to believe they exist in real).
I don't know why one would pay that much for a phone, but they mostly work well enough. I understand Apple devices are also properly usable for blind people.
Except for wifi, but that's a hardware thing.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/100608/Product_Sony_Ericsson_Java_Mobile_Platform_7_Details.php
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2019-01-10, 16:55:47
For them Android was clearly good enough for something, but it was never very clear to me just what that something was. I've always thought that '07/'08 era iPhones and Android phones were clearly inferior to my contemporary feature phone,[1] the SE s500i, which could also install apps like Opera Mini and Google Maps using Java ME.[2]
Corporate push importantly includes pushing ads and multimedia. Opera Mini is/was awesome for knowledgeable users, but not good for dumbusers who could keep misclicking Google ads. And was there a Java ME Facebook? I haven't heard.

Current Opera Mini has gone the way of whole-screen splash ads.
Except for wifi, but that's a hardware thing.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/100608/Product_Sony_Ericsson_Java_Mobile_Platform_7_Details.php
Title: Java ME Facebook
Post by: Barulheira on 2019-01-11, 00:11:09
There is a Java ME Facebook installed on my Nokia feature phone.

(I don't have a FB account... I just installed it by curiosity, to see how it would work with my wife's account. Very limited, indeed.)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ensbb3 on 2019-01-11, 00:46:17
Whether or not Facebook is a system app may depend on the software's build. I've seen it as a systems app, sure, however I've had some of the mentioned models and it not be. It wasn't on my S8 but was on my Note4. It's not on my Note9 though. Samsung isn't necessarily responsible for the OS version. Mine is an N960U. Iirc, the U means it's Samsung's version. More often the providers have their own and apps they partner with get stuck in as system apps (or bloatware). The major provider versions, here, are N960A/S/V, for At&t, Sprint and Verizon. The missus uses At&t however when I got her a phone I got a Verizon S7. I had to remove Verizon's OS to get the data connection to work right and I put back the universal version which didn't contain bloatware as system apps. I then thought better of it and installed At&t's version, removed the system apps I didn't want and then removed root access, so her phone is basically stock At&t with some bloat nixed. She uses Facebook but knowing me I still pulled it from the system folder before derooting.

**Maybe Samsung's letter was J on hers... Idk.  Either way different versions yada yada. :)
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: ersi on 2019-01-11, 10:18:03
There is a Java ME Facebook installed on my Nokia feature phone.

(I don't have a FB account... I just installed it by curiosity, to see how it would work with my wife's account. Very limited, indeed.)
If you don't have an account, then you don't know how ads are displayed there, and if the density of the ads is sufficient (from the marketer's point of view). Ads are a major point here. You must have tons of opportunities to misclick to trigger outrageous consequences, such as accidentally buy airplanes or at least bitcoins for somebody else.

Samsung isn't necessarily responsible for the OS version.
Yes, this is another major point. The OS may come with the operator/distributor modifications. Why would operators/distributors modify the OS? To include their own branded apps for more ad/marketing revenue. So, they prefer OS's that are particularly suited for such purpose, including the point that it should not be too easy for users to remove that crap.

Sailfish perhaps allows too much user control, therefore there will never be much corporate push for it.
Title: Re: The Problem With Facebook
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-01-11, 17:26:45
Sailfish perhaps allows too much user control, therefore there will never be much corporate push for it.
That might be true. I was able to set up Syncthing in a breeze (as an alternative for Dropbox), whereas on Android that was... difficult.