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Forum-related => Forum Administration => Topic started by: Banned Member on 2014-03-04, 12:31:54

Poll
Question: Are you ok with the wrong members' count?
Option 1: Bugger off! votes: 3
Option 2: I don't care. votes: 4
Option 3: What's wrong with it???? votes: 1
Option 4: Slightly uncomfortable. votes: 1
Option 5: Definitely not. votes: 0
Title: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-04, 12:31:54
As of MEMBERS, we actually have only 47 of them - or less.
The counter also counts a "Test", and a couple of suq popettes.
As of that "Test", Frans?
As of the soup casquettes... Well, should we have a policy about that? What do you think?
Unless it's absolutely necessary, why create multiple accounts here? For fun?
Jim, you're free to use your primary one... Who else?..
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-03-04, 12:45:45
If you define sock puppetry restrictively as the problematic use of multiple accounts, that's not allowed.[1] If you define sock puppetry simply as having multiple accounts, there's no rule against that.

[1] An example would be if I showed up with the Test account in a discussion saying "well, Frenzie's really got a good point there" so as to make it appear as if my argument had popular support.
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-04, 12:51:58
I say that the counter cites that "blablabla topics by 50 members".
Define "member" - in turn.:)
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: string on 2014-03-04, 15:47:22
I'm not bothered by the use of  duplicate identities unless they're misused, as in spam1, spam2 etc. I used one myself in the ggg thread in D&D as a literary device for fun, where it was clear who it was and why I did it. If it's a problem then OK "off with his head" but not for bean-counting reasons.
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: tt92 on 2014-03-04, 18:38:19

If you define sock puppetry restrictively as the problematic use of multiple accounts, that's not allowed.[1] If you define sock puppetry simply as having multiple accounts, there's no rule against that.

[1] An example would be if I showed up with the Test account in a discussion saying "well, Frenzie's really got a good point there" so as to make it appear as if my argument had popular support.

You've really got a good point there.
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Test on 2014-03-04, 18:49:29


[1] An example would be if I showed up with the Test account in a discussion saying "well, Frenzie's really got a good point there" so as to make it appear as if my argument had popular support.

You've really got a good point there.
You really do, Frenzie!
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-04, 18:59:33
Drop dead, you asshole!©
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-04, 19:00:32
Quote from: tt92
"Not everything you read on the internet is true." Abraham Lincoln
Really?(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
:D
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: jax on 2014-03-05, 11:53:23



[1] An example would be if I showed up with the Test account in a discussion saying "well, Frenzie's really got a good point there" so as to make it appear as if my argument had popular support.

You've really got a good point there.
You really do, Frenzie!
I agree, it is the best point I have ever seen in this whole thread.
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-03-05, 21:17:46
I honestly learned the term "sock puppet" from this board when the Terms were drafted, which is why I was a little surprised that I was asked about it.

The search only points to this thread when I search for "sock puppet", "sockpuppet", or even just "puppet"?
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: ersi on 2014-03-06, 06:43:32

I honestly learned the term "sock puppet" from this board when the Terms were drafted, which is why I was a little surprised that I was asked about it.

The search only points to this thread when I search for "sock puppet", "sockpuppet", or even just "puppet"?
Searches in sites often search the sites badly. There's e.g. site:thedndsanctuary.com search terms to search specific sites with precision in Google. I often have to resort to that.
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-03-06, 07:35:24
Searches in sites often search the sites badly. There's e.g. site:thedndsanctuary.com search terms to search specific sites with precision in Google. I often have to resort to that.

Damn Google with their fifty billion computers. :P
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: socky on 2014-03-07, 01:10:46

Drop dead, you asshole!©

I've read all your posts and you're right about everything!  :love: :wizard:

Also, abuse reported.
Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-07, 06:04:02
socky (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=114)
    Who did that?
    This time, it is INTENTIONAL creating shit - for the purpose to fucking have fun?
    Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
    Post by: Mandi on 2014-03-07, 07:04:44


    Drop dead, you asshole!©

    I've read all your posts and you're right about everything!  :love: :wizard:

    Also, abuse reported.



    socky (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=114)
      Who did that?
      This time, it is INTENTIONAL creating shit - for the purpose to fucking have fun?


      Wow!  :lol: IMHO, there's no point in taking life/forums so seriously. Cool your jets Josh.  ;)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-07, 08:35:29
      I just got home, and top of the list is a report from this thread.

      Now, I got somethin' to say. If you're going to beat on a beehive with a stick, don't be surprised if you get stung.
      Translated: This thread, by its very nature, was guaranteed to start trouble. I'm not sure that locking it isn't the right idea.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-07, 11:35:06
      I just got home, and top of the list is a report from this thread.
      Yes, indeed.
      "Test" had a cause/reason, Jim's "puppet" had a reason at the time, don't know about "kardon", but there might have been a reason too. A necessity.
      Get this, Michael? That's it. (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=114)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: ersi on 2014-03-07, 12:04:08
      I have a not entirely rational belief that an account is, or should as a best practice, be tied to a computer or network (IP address). It could be moved. But logging in from several locations can be bad.
      I am extremely mobile, connecting from many different wifi networks on the run along the day. If you want to kill my participation here, then tying my account to one IP pretty much guarantees it.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: ensbb3 on 2014-03-07, 13:40:13
      I am extremely mobile, connecting from many different wifi networks on the run along the day. If you want to kill my participation here, then tying my account to one IP pretty much guarantees it.


      I can't bring myself to use public wifi on a day to day basis. Consequently I've used 13GB of mobile data only half way thru the cycle, tho. Anyway, to the point...

      Modulating IP's make it impossible to tie any account to one IP. All I have to do is logoff network or lose data connection and i'm reassigned a new IP when I reconnect. Couple that with my provider likes to throttle bandwidth to certain sites, so it's likely I'm bouncing off a proxy too.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-08, 16:54:08

      I just got home, and top of the list is a report from this thread.
      Yes, indeed.
      "Test" had a cause/reason, Jim's "puppet" had a reason at the time, don't know about "kardon", but there might have been a reason too. A necessity.
      Get this, Michael? That's it. (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=profile;u=114)


      You're the one beating on a beehive with a stick. Sometimes you get stung when you do things like that. It happens.

      I can think of nothing more likely to attract sock-puppets than a thread about sock-puppets. It brings out the mischief in the best of us.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-08, 16:57:50
      That's the reason to raise the question early.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-08, 17:24:19
      So far, none of the puppets have done anything actionable. Bad language? Maybe-- but if we start moderating for bad language, I have a soapspicion the OP might have more than a little to worry about himself. For the rest--- it's exactly what I would expect from a thread with this subject matter. Yeah, some users who ordinarily wouldn't do sock-puppets are doing them to mess with the OP. Surprise, surprise.

      As a Global Moderator, I'm looking for the standard badguys. Spammers. Deceptive practices. Troll-type behavior (note: this thread is all but guaranteed to produce troll-type behavior, which is the good reason for locking it). Personal attacks. That sort of thing.

      For the rest-- we're all adults here. At least I think so (can't be sure about a couple of folk). It shouldn't be that much of a problem to keep halfway civil discourse going. If somebody does use a sock-puppet---so long as the sock-puppet behaves him/herself, what's the problem? This is the Internet, most people use some sort of username that has little to do with their real names, so there's a certain anonymity in any case.

      Life is too doggone short to get bent out of shape over a forum posting.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-08, 17:37:11
      If somebody does use a sock-puppet---so long as the sock-puppet behaves him/herself, what's the problem?
      That's on topic!..
      The only legal reason to raise this question was that the stats account those accounts (sorry) as "members" - which means persons.
      If I'm a schizo, maybe myself being several members would be ok. But I don't think some guys are schizos here.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: socky on 2014-03-09, 01:03:30

      The only legal reason to raise this question was that the stats account those accounts (sorry) as "members" - which means persons.
      If I'm a schizo, maybe myself being several members would be ok. But I don't think some guys are schizos here.

      Does your member count feel inadequate?   :wizard:
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-09, 11:28:41

      If somebody does use a sock-puppet---so long as the sock-puppet behaves him/herself, what's the problem?
      That's on topic!..
      The only legal reason to raise this question was that the stats account those accounts (sorry) as "members" - which means persons.


      And that is a problem exactly how? The sock-puppet IS a person--- well, at least sort-of-- so the count is accurate, even if it is a bit high on the number of actual people. The membership count is counting accounts open--- and since a sock-puppet requires its own account, there is no problem there.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 11:35:12
      The sock-puppet IS a person--- well, at least sort-of-- so the count is accurate, even if it is a bit high on the number of actual people.
      Give it again, will you?
      How is this math field called exactly?:D
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 11:40:49
      The membership count is counting accounts open--- and since a sock-puppet requires its own account, there is no problem there.
      Well, let me help you with words...
      In the starting part you use the word "membership". The morphology of this word directly derives from the stem lexeme "member" - exactly which word is used by the site to account for all cases of separate registering. Get it or what?
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-09, 12:27:59
      (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F_wv5AsyslggQ%2FSwn1QBwELyI%2FAAAAAAAADi8%2FR5DZ2_R4xCk%2Fs320%2FBeyond%2BHope.png&hash=6a1641e39289f8fe7e96db7f4a8f92e9" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wv5AsyslggQ/Swn1QBwELyI/AAAAAAAADi8/R5DZ2_R4xCk/s320/Beyond+Hope.png)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-09, 12:33:13
      General question: How would we go about purging the list of sock-puppets, and further how would we keep them out? Since one guy could theoretically make many puppets-- Bantay was famous for this-- I have a suspicion that the job isn't easy-- and may not be possible.

      Josh, about the count--- each sock-puppet requires its own account. Live with it.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 12:37:59
      Live with it.
      No.
      As long as that's unnecessary.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-09, 12:39:18

      The membership count is counting accounts open--- and since a sock-puppet requires its own account, there is no problem there.
      Well, let me help you with words...
      In the starting part you use the word "membership". The morphology of this word directly derives from the stem lexeme "member" - exactly which word is used by the site to account for all cases of separate registering. Get it or what?


      The membership list is counting open accounts. It has no way of knowing that one actual person is using three different usernames, so each of those names is counted as separate members. If I decided to put up 5 sock-puppets, I would then have a total of 6 accounts and therefore would be counted as 6 members. I could form my own imaginary army. Hmmm... sounds like fun. I may have to give it a try someday.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 12:43:19
      The membership list is counting open accounts. It has no way of knowing that one actual person is using three different usernames, so each of those names is counted as separate members. If I decided to put up 5 sock-puppets, I would then have a total of 6 accounts and therefore would be counted as 6 members. I could form my own imaginary army. Hmmm... sounds like fun. I may have to give it a try someday.
      It's wrong.
      At least those can't be called "members" (schizos is an exception).
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 12:44:06
      Do you vote?
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 12:51:35
      I didn't mean that voting. It's ok:faint:

      Now what it is.
      The "Forum Stats" reads something like this now:
      Quote
      12210 Posts in 222 Topics by 55 Members.

      As long as psyche parapetting is not illegal, at least we shall have
      Quote
      12210 Posts in 222 Topics from 55 accounts.
      - and no "members" anywhere anymore anywhere (I said that).
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-09, 12:54:36
      This thread=
      (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fredpenofdoomdotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F02%2Ftrain-wreck.jpg&hash=5fb5b72a23a399d242a47e11c582e768" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://redpenofdoomdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/train-wreck.jpg)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 12:57:29
      You sure? I'm not. Not especially different from any other thread...

      <edit>You know what?
      It IS different: there's been no off-topic here so far - unlike almost everywhere else:P</edit>
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-09, 12:58:04
      But I like your art...

      Did you do that?:)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: socky on 2014-03-09, 13:56:29
      (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F2kb0K.jpg&hash=62dbbb02626ecb4c01e81b8e4150a501" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.imgur.com/2kb0K.jpg)
      :love:
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-09, 14:36:08

      But I like your art...

      Did you do that?:)


      Nope. I'm not "Redpenofdoom"-- I do have a blog on Wordpress, but it's under the same userhandle I use here.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Belfrager on 2014-03-09, 22:01:41
      Purge? As in
      a. To rid (a nation or political party, for example) of people considered undesirable.
      b.  To get rid of (people considered undesirable).

      Okay, as probably the closest representative to the Roman Latin spirit, I suggest the beautiful method of dizimation.
      Invented by Roman generals to put lazy armies again in top condition, it consists in separating people in groups of ten and each group has to beat one of it's members until death.

      It seems that such method had the most effective results. :)
      If it doesn't work, at least DnD has learned a lesson in History...
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Frenzie on 2014-03-11, 18:11:52
      To channel Josh: don't you mean decimation? :P
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Belfrager on 2014-03-11, 20:14:58

      To channel Josh: don't you mean decimation? :P

      josh will destroy this forum or any other.
      I think he's the reincarnation of Attila, except that instead the grass not growing where he passes, is the people that can´t speak where he speaks. Not good for forums.
      Except for that he's a funny guy. Not too much clever, however, and insupportable most of the time.
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Macallan on 2014-03-12, 09:13:32

      Except for that he's a funny guy. Not too much clever, however, and insupportable most of the time.

      Entertaining in the way train wrecks are? :right:
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-12, 09:25:56
      Welcome to the topic! Have you say something?
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Macallan on 2014-03-12, 09:30:18

      Welcome to the topic! Have you say something?

      Absolutely! (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShapedLikeItself) :up:
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-12, 09:33:41
      Quote
      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShapedLikeItself
      What does this link have to do with the topic?
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Macallan on 2014-03-12, 09:43:33

      Quote
      http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShapedLikeItself
      What does this link have to do with the topic?

      About as much as your posts, actually more so :)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-12, 09:54:57
      Give it in your words - if you say it's on topic, will you?
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Macallan on 2014-03-12, 10:24:05
      (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.wikia.nocookie.net%2F__cb20130423021659%2Fcardfight%2Fimages%2Fb%2Fbc%2F2003013-godzilla_facepalm_godzilla_facepalm_face_palm_epic_fail_demotivational_poster_1245384435.jpg&hash=43b3d9122afcaeb763cbd1713f393529" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130423021659/cardfight/images/b/bc/2003013-godzilla_facepalm_godzilla_facepalm_face_palm_epic_fail_demotivational_poster_1245384435.jpg)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Luxor on 2014-03-12, 11:24:31
      This isn't going to end well. Mouse pointer hovering over lock topic link. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Drumfingers.gif)
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-12, 11:26:19

      This isn't going to end well. Mouse pointer hovering over lock topic link. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Drumfingers.gif)


      I was thinking the same. Don't make me put on my "Mod Hat", ye won't like me in my "Mod Hat".
      Title: Re: Do we need some Purge?
      Post by: Frenzie on 2014-03-12, 11:34:18
      Locked.