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Title: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-20, 15:11:30
We've covered all of the major players but have only picked and chosen on Russia, usually on the subject of President Putin. Obviously, there's much more to Russia than Putin.

Recently I came upon this.

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Russia unveils new Marussia luxury sports car


http://www.bbc.com/news/12021255 (http://www.bbc.com/news/12021255)
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia-cache-ec0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fdf%2Ff1%2Fb1%2Fdff1b1074779f18d8c9e0e33f3312611.jpg&hash=2f50a50db188ad8866c6038d8c51de86" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/df/f1/b1/dff1b1074779f18d8c9e0e33f3312611.jpg)

I want one!
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-20, 15:18:33
Can I add a user to "ignore" right through the user's profile? I couldn't find a button.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2014-03-20, 15:21:02

Can I add a user to "ignore" right through the user's profile? I couldn't find a button.
You mean user or thread?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-20, 15:22:34
Is this your first button problem?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-20, 15:23:49
Here's breaking news on the Russian burger giant.
http://www.theonion.com/audio/russia-takes-control-of-struggling-burger-king-cha,13882/ (http://www.theonion.com/audio/russia-takes-control-of-struggling-burger-king-cha,13882/)
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-20, 15:25:40


Can I add a user to "ignore" right through the user's profile? I couldn't find a button.
You mean user or thread?

I think he means me.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2014-03-20, 15:28:32
Threads started by an ignored user are unignorable. Secondary posts are ignorable.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-20, 15:37:10

Threads started by an ignored user are unignorable. Secondary posts are ignorable.

D&D allowed ignoring the posts of a member, but I don't see anything like that here.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2014-03-21, 15:10:15
It's in a different place. Go to your profile > Buddies/Ignore list https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=profile;area=lists;sa=ignore;u=29
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-21, 15:30:09
Found it...thanks. You're now blocked!  :D :beer:
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-21, 15:43:13
Well, Crimea has been annexed by the evil Russian dictator, VP.

Obama has issued a stinging rebuke and has ordered McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken outlets to refuse service to Russian diplomatic staff in the US. Evidently, Putin has crossed one of Obama's many red lines.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fx%2Fkfc-restaurant-russia-18906140.jpg&hash=f9bd3bbcfa3f856b8d6483ca681a8584" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/kfc-restaurant-russia-18906140.jpg)

Syria, you're next.
======================================
In the long run does all of this really matter? What would Mr. Putin have to do to upset Europeans?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-21, 16:01:40
You mean user or thread?
Hm...
I'd like to! :idea:
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-03-21, 16:11:58

You mean user or thread?
Hm...
I'd like to! :idea:


It's easy to ignore a thread. All you have to do is choose not to open it.
Ignoring users is a little harder, and for some of us it isn't practical.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-21, 23:01:13
For an intelligent man it is painfully obvious that jimbro is not any different from anyone else he moans at for being constantly on the attack.He lives still in a Cold War mentality. I will remind him that President Putin was democratically elected. The election was overseen by international observers. What utter silliness harping on about the Russian dictator. You elect a President who goes on killing innocent people with drones and your elections till see 40 million poor and suffering people over there and so on. Anyone with any common sense who visited Russia in the strident and controlled days of the USSR and walked about today would be gob-smacked. There is a fixed and illicit mindset from him and others on Russia and coming from a land that is a mockery of rights, freedoms and all that false guff needs to use the grey cells more astutely.  When it comes to fixations he has one which is superglued into his brain and makes him look narrow and very unbecoming. Have a nice day......
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-22, 08:17:05
The idea that Putin was democratically elected is a joke. He's an unabashed dictator who likes to show his tits.

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hellomagazine.com%2Froyalty%2F2007%2F08%2F14%2Falbert-putin-fishing%2Fimgs%2Fputin-albert-1b.jpg&hash=68efbb4557223a10097217bb3134f19d" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/2007/08/14/albert-putin-fishing/imgs/putin-albert-1b.jpg)

Cameron was elected. Obama was elected. Putin was deified.
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Former Soviet spy chief claims Putin regime is an 'intelligence agency dictatorship'

The highest ranking defector to flee from the old Soviet bloc has a message to share about Vladimir Putin -- he's still a KGB agent at heart and that mindset is heavily influencing his tactics for furthering Russia's interests.

Ion Mihai Pacepa was the head of the Romanian communist regime's foreign intelligence service before he defected to the West in 1978. Due to the threats on his life, Pacepa refuses to appear in public, but he has communicated his message to the co-author of his most recent book "Disinformation: Former Spy Chief Reveals Secret Strategies for Undermining Freedom, Attacking Religion, and Promoting Terrorism."
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-22, 08:26:07
that jimbro is not any different from anyone else ... I will remind him that President Putin was democratically elected.
1. You're proving really the same, RJ...
2. I ain't know nuttn' 'bout some "PRESIDENT Putin" - even who that shit is, but when we'd considered somebody else - namely the impostor V.Poo-tin - we'd clearly see that this well know person OBVIOUSLY WAS elected - a couple of times - which can't make any sense for today.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-22, 08:48:52

that jimbro is not any different from anyone else ... I will remind him that President Putin was democratically elected.
1. You're proving really the same, RJ...
2. I ain't know nuttn' 'bout some "PRESIDENT Putin" - even who that shit is, but when we'd considered somebody else - namely the impostor V.Poo-tin - we'd clearly see that this well know person OBVIOUSLY WAS elected - a couple of times - which can't make any sense for today.

And here he is with a few adoring fans. Eat your heart out Grigory Sokolov.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-22, 09:48:56
Careful Josh. Pootin is listening to everything.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fmattsheadspace.files.wordpress.com%2F2011%2F08%2Fnimwt.jpg&hash=ebb593ff0ffe3e801e6176bb577a66de" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://mattsheadspace.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/nimwt.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: krake on 2014-03-22, 10:21:47

- namely the impostor V.Poo-tin - we'd clearly see that this well know person ...

Keep calm Josh. Excitement could degrade your grammar :P
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-22, 11:53:51


- namely the impostor V.Poo-tin - we'd clearly see that this well know person ...

Keep calm Josh. Excitement could degrade your grammar :P

Josh's grammar...
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fargentina.indymedia.org%2Fuploads%2F2004%2F05%2Findymedia_buenos_aires_-_abuela_-_enojada.jpg&hash=0fec6364af96c0bf37c34a541ef47ba0" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2004/05/indymedia_buenos_aires_-_abuela_-_enojada.jpg)
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-22, 12:02:49
Keep calm Josh.
Calm Josh? Is it me?..
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-23, 00:06:52
Yes Putin was democratically elected jimbro and the international people there to see it never mind the vast amount spent overseeing security. In actual practice Putin had a decline in his votes (although different today!).You really are not that much different from many in your country brought up inn the days of Cold War and after learning the alphabet had to learn of the evil enemy of the USSR. That dictatorship was evil and the place a boring nightmare but even with problems the place is vastly different than the old days even allowing for JoshL. Trouble is the West did not adapt to that or much try. You are so besotted by your ignorance and hate  there no benefit of the doubt. You personally cannot even find a real person to vote for in your Presidential elections and live in a past world. Considering the state your nation is in it does you no consideration. You are quick to condemn others for a jaundiced eye but like most self satisfiers never see it in yourself. Kind of sad as one would have thought a broader mentality really. Disappointing.  :worried:
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-23, 08:30:47
Yes Putin...
Ah! I get it now!..
"Yes" and "President" are the first names of some Scottish brothers! :idea:
Yes Putin ...democratically elected jimbro and the international people there...
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/3D_emoticon_Frog002.gif)He elected jimbro and all the other people there, (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/2691k.gif).
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: krake on 2014-03-23, 09:14:31
Hi Josh  :up:

Since you are the forum expert for Russia, one question to you: Who is the actual president of Russia?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-03-23, 09:24:31
It is the wrong question (as the post itself is vacant, by law).
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2014-03-23, 12:26:41
Pics of Sochi after olympics http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/festival/589265.html?ext=anpo
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: jax on 2014-03-23, 13:58:30

Pics of Sochi after olympics http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/festival/589265.html?ext=anpo


As long as the economy can handle it, it will fill up. Sochi is conveniently placed between Russian-controlled Abkhazia and Russian-controlled Crimea, a few hours drive from either.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-23, 14:16:43
The Sochi photos are misleading. Shame on you! You cherry picked photos of the Olympic village after the games. In the city proper things are much better.

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Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: sergey-pypyrev on 2014-03-23, 15:17:00
Sochi is conveniently placed between Russian-controlled Abkhazia and Russian-controlled Crimea, a few hours drive from either.

Geography is a bit different. Sochi ends directly at Russian-Abkazian border. Border itself is a small river, Abkhazia is on one riverside, Adler district of Sochi is on another riverside. So, one can see Abkhazia from house in Sochi :).

Distance from Sochi to Simferopol (capital of Crimea) is ~500km.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-25, 09:02:05
For an in-depth analysis of what's going on in Russia, take a look at this.
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/8gpcf5/big-vladdy---semi-delusional-autocrats (http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/8gpcf5/big-vladdy---semi-delusional-autocrats)
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-27, 01:25:45
Only plays in the US of A is says. When it comes to principles and rights and all that stuff you don;t have to look at some other country. Indeed start with the way the State of Michigan is run! Heavens you volunteered to return there!
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-27, 14:39:57
Try this one. It's mostly a slam at out teabag conservatives...Republicans, of course.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/jon-stewart-fox-news-putin-shirtless-obama-mom-jeans-daily-show_n_4919517.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/07/jon-stewart-fox-news-putin-shirtless-obama-mom-jeans-daily-show_n_4919517.html)
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-03-28, 02:29:36
Tried it as well jimbro. Guess i am going to be unlucky oh this one.  :(
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-28, 08:04:43
Too bad. It's a funny clip. If it's not on Youtube, it may not work.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-03-28, 08:12:58
Not the ones I wanted, but give a look.



Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2017-04-27, 17:17:04
Russian Black Sea spy ship Лиман collided with the freight ship Youzarsif-H (an apparently Lebanese ship under the flag of Togo, just departed from Romania). The Russian spy ship was cut below the waterline and sank https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2882587

The incident occurred 40 km NW of Bosphorus (i.e. closest to Turkey). Nobody died.
Title: Nobody died
Post by: Barulheira on 2017-04-27, 20:28:15
My condolences, ersi. No Russians died.  :P
Title: Re: Nobody died
Post by: ersi on 2017-04-27, 21:37:26
My condolences, ersi. No Russians died.  :P
The funny part is that the other ship was carrying cattle. No harm to that ship, its crew or cargo. Wouldn't a military ship be more durable?

Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: krake on 2017-04-27, 22:16:33
The funny part is that the other ship was carrying cattle.
Professional reporting terminology can be even more funny. :lol:

If it belongs to to the good guys (NATO) then it's spelled "reconnaissance ship".
If it belongs to the bad guys (Russia) then it's spelled "spy ship".
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-04-28, 00:49:52
If it's sunk by a collision with a cow-carrier, how can it be called a "Major Power" ship? :)
Moo...
Title: Ouch!
Post by: Barulheira on 2017-04-28, 11:43:49
Perhaps carrying cows take more power than carrying [Russian] soldiers.  :cow:
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-02-17, 08:58:11
In America, Mueller says this (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/02/16/us/politics/document-The-Special-Counsel-s-Indictment-of-the-Internet.html) about Russia. I think he merely caught up with Finnish news. Yle in 2015 https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-7804386
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-02-17, 13:51:58
We all are Russian infiltrated agents in DnD, disguised as different nationals, in order to manipulate the world.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-02-17, 21:44:21
The ex-colonist stuff about the Russian government interfering in America's election is so pathetic. There may well be individual Russian business minds or general individuals voicing opinions but how  can Americans just simply be so simple a election can be influenced. Russia did not help put Trump in the Yanks did that themselves and the nonsense (and is that) he and the bears got into a cuddle to win the election is plain silly. On a secondary level America is making itself look like idiots with the rubbish. Secondly the thing is they accuse the Kremlin of is the very thing they have been doing for decades on other countries but of course that side is okay?! There is no way Russia affected the American Election and it is all so childish and stupid.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-18, 17:31:22
It was safe to say ahead of time that Putin was already elected. The interesting question was who the electors would be.
Quote from: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/in-russian-elections-some-people-say-they-were-ordered-to-vote-60853
Kremlin officials privately acknowledge some voters are reluctant to show up and vote, even if they support Putin, because they believe his victory is already a foregone conclusion. The officials say though the vote will be fair.

Ella Pamfilova, head of the commission organising the vote nationwide, has said any fraud will be stamped out. She said those alleging the election was rigged were biased against Russia.

Reuters reporters at polling stations across Russia spoke to multiple voters who said they had been instructed by bosses or academic supervisors to vote. Many took photographs of themselves voting, saying they were needed as proof.

In one case, a senior election official inspecting a polling station said the photographs of voting should not be allowed, and ordered election staff there to stamp it out.

UPDATE: Putin Easily Wins Another Six-Year Term in the Kremlin
Quote from: https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putin-wins-russias-presidential-election-exit-poll-60856
How long Putin wants to stay in power is uncertain.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-19, 02:10:17
Putin does do well however he I think, is musing on that's it for this term. Now if they made him Tsar instead of one of the Romanovs he would be longer!
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-19, 15:22:45
Elections in Russia. You can mute the sound and let the picture do the talking https://youtu.be/Ux--TRSAD8I?t=2120
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-22, 23:56:19
Things going wrong were a tiny matter and the eventual result shows that as factual. Putin is extremely popular in Russia and he had no problem wining the election. We in the West cannot get such a vast result so we get the daft attitude towards Russia.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-03-23, 00:56:25
Putin is a menace to Europe.
Everything is a menace to Europe.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-23, 07:48:11
Things going wrong were a tiny matter and the eventual result shows that as factual.
In Russian elections, things don't go a tiny wee bit wrong. Instead, people do exactly as told. They did what they did because they were told to do that. It was not just ordinary people getting it in their head for fun to vote a dozen-fold at a time, but they were also election officials and election supervisors.

The fun part is that they do it by manipulating the voting box and people, instead of simply manipulating the numbers, which is much easier to do. And it would be easier still if they had digital voting.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-23, 11:47:50
What silly propaganda stuff you swallow ersi.

The greatest and by far population who voted did vote for Putin but you like many here and the media go hell bent on nonsense. Putin would never have lost the election but it doesn't suit minds like yours that just swallows the propaganda. Even allowing for the examples of illegality they were still tiny and the general and vast majority of polling stations were A1. Here in the West we are easily brained and because such outstanding voting would not happen in Europe, Gt Britain or America the propaganda merchants go bananas.  Even allowing for incidents the election was fair and the stations concerned were still a very tiny thing in a big country that your brain doesn't figure on. When one considers that the leader of the "Free World" has a political system run by corporates and that is simple overlooked the situation is laughable.

Britain had poison stuff stored back in the 1950's and the USA dropped Agent Orange from planes in the South Viet am war. It killed, left people maimed for life and even effected some US military.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-23, 17:34:05
Here in the West we are easily brained
Yes you are. I happen to reside exactly at the border so I know the worst of both worlds.

Britain had poison stuff stored back in the 1950's and the USA dropped Agent Orange from planes in the South Viet am war. It killed, left people maimed for life and even effected some US military.
This is connected to Russian elections how?

Yup, you are brained.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-23, 18:31:30
Navalny is pointing out manipulation with numbers too (this time subtitled) https://youtu.be/BplJQtpfero?t=194
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-24, 21:46:13
You are being a tad near silly ersi.

That there were election misuse is one thing but it was NOT a general and routine majority issue whatsoever. You are just as easily fooled no matter where you physically sit.  And that stuff suggesting Russians suffer more or less control freakery. They voted in an election in which the massive majority of places the thing was carried out properly and filmed too. They don't need to bother to vote just like in any country but they did in sufficient numbers to put Putin back into office and is as obvious as a nose on the face. Because of the incidents that did happen and a tiny reflection of the mass situation you are not being very balanced at all.  Russians have indicated their support for the President's re-election and you use a minority of wrong points into somehow yakking that Russians are being brained into things and that the falseness is bigger than it actually was.

Russia is a big country and the people are very loyal to their place and want a strong leader so that is their choice and there is not possible way that Putin would not win fair and square. Using the  creeps who tried interfering in the election as if standard and the majority is plain stupid to make it simple.  The West if it cannot control somewhere they will go hell bent on damaging or misusing things and you are good cannon fodder for that silly stance.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-25, 06:51:24
They voted in an election in which the massive majority of places the thing was carried out properly and filmed too.
Why don't you take a look at what ended up on the film?

And "massive majority of places" is irrelevant. Election deception does not have to be carried out in any sort of majority, but simply in sufficient scale. Not much is needed: Lower the total number of voters and the participation percent goes up by itself. Granted that most voters vote for Putin anyway, but when every rigged vote is also for Putin, the result is guaranteed.

Russia is a big country and the people are very loyal to their place and want a strong leader so that is their choice...
Do you think exact same about Belarus? And Central Asian and African countries?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-25, 11:37:12
Let me remind that you like man in the West are brained automatically into an anti-Russian direction. You totally ignore the hard factual truth that Putin would have won the election and the percentage which was misused was tiny. Whether we in the "West" are not so keen is not a legitimate point at all.  Putin started getting Russia away from the mess up that his predecessor Boris Yelstin was in and going nowhere after the collapse of the USSR.  We might be so used to mass leaders like Vladimir Putin but that does not make what he tries to do somehow automatically wrong. Russians are very strong on their country and he has even allowing for economy pressure on his country moved it forward and it is broader than the old days. We are not used to political leaders getting such strong votes and headway but when you look at the other candidates from the parties they were hopeless compared to him. There is no way even allowing for fraud attempts which are not in millions were going to diminish his popularity and progress. Face hard truths poor man.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-03-25, 12:53:10
Let me remind that you like man in the West are brained automatically into an anti-Russian direction.
And you are not brained? How come? Because no brains at all ???

Please get the basic facts straight. Between you and I, you are the one in the West, whereas I am next to Russia. I know Russian since childhood and I have been constantly following the developments for many decades now. I know the system almost from the inside.

...the percentage which was misused was tiny.
How tiny? Please tell.

Anyway, given Putin's massive and genuine popularity, why would there be any at all? And why on the systemic scale, instead of on the level of a few occasional mishaps?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-03-25, 22:24:35
RjHowie should be paid by Russia Today for posting here.
Or for killing some Russian double ex spies in his beloved Britain if he prefers.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-26, 00:36:50
Look Belfrager I make allowances for you being from a poor place dependent on EU handouts or you wouldn't exist but how silly can one get. Britain and America have had spies in Russia and I well remember a British one caught many moons ago using a false stone to hide messages in a park and so it goes on whatever side one is on. Everyone is into the spying game.

As for you ersi.

Where you live does not make you a damn an automatic expert not matter how you are chuffed with your grey cells. It is a hard fact of life sonny that Putin is widely popular because as I straightforward explained the place improved after Yeltsin. Why any idiot thinks he or she is doing something crookedly to help is daft because of Putin's popularity. Those that are anti-Putin are a MINORITY. The vast and wide majority of votes were legal  but you want to exaggerate things as if the election was going to be close. The hard fact is the opposition were going nowhere. You are waffling on wanting me to indicate how many polling stations had faults and that is just immature and juvenile nonsense and I still say that eeven allowing for those idiots that fiddled they ARE in the vast numb er of votes carried out a tiny minority. Your waffle is heading out towards a daftness that hints on the falsehoods being a close run election. Piffle
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2018-04-03, 03:02:50
In other words, that great political philosopher said it a long time ago: It doesn't matter who votes for whom. It only matters who counts the votes. -- V.I.Lenin
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-04-03, 04:11:00
In other words, that great political philosopher said it a long time ago: It doesn't matter who votes for whom. It only matters who counts the votes. -- V.I.Lenin
Or you could just have googled who really said that.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: jax on 2018-04-03, 09:08:35
Wikiquote or death.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Frenzie on 2018-04-03, 09:50:22
Or you could just have googled who really said that.
I associate that with Stalin but I have no idea how to Google about any correctness in that matter.

There's https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/category/quotes/ but... oh wait, they actually have an article on it (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/stalin-vote-count-quote/).

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In 2006, Wikiquote dug up such a source: The Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary by Boris Bazhanov, published in 2002. Translated from the Russian, the version which, according to Bazhanov, was uttered in 1923 by Stalin in reference to a vote in the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was this:

"I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this -- who will count the votes, and how."

The quote is a rough match for the words commonly attributed to Stalin, with the notable difference that the context is quite specific. Stalin wasn't speaking of elections and voting in general. He was speaking of a particular vote by a particular body.

While it would be a bit of a stretch to assert (given the vagaries of translation, the unreliability of memory, and the existence of earlier examples) that the sentiment "The people who cast the votes decide nothing; the people who count the votes decide everything" originated with Stalin, there is at least some evidence that he once said something like it.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2018-04-03, 20:11:42
Or you could just have googled who really said that.
I associate that with Stalin but I have no idea how to Google about any correctness in that matter.
The quote may not be historically correct, but it's particularly gross when it's not even in character. It's in Stalin's character, but not in Lenin's.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-04-04, 23:55:52
Lenin was a dangerous and ignorant dictator git. The seedling democracy in 1917 was kicked out by the Reds when they took over in 1918 and produced a massive dictatorship that killed more than the Nazis did. Just a pity the Whites lost the Civil War and had to wait until the 1990's to sort things........
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2020-03-16, 14:28:42
Putin signs Russia's constitutional reform law
Quote from: https://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-russias-constitutional-reform-law-170001242.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday signed the package of constitutional reforms he had proposed, including a clause giving him an option to run for two more terms.
Well, of course the constitutional reform was just an excuse to start over the term count in order to stay put for life. Didn't anybody see this coming?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-03-17, 00:37:00
He is still an outstanding Russian whatever he does.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2020-03-17, 16:55:27
He is still an outstanding Russian whatever he does.
Did you endorse Stalin's authoritarianism back in the Stone Age, too?
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-03-18, 01:07:43
What a daft thing to say even for a young man inexperienced in general modern life.  Shaving Putin into the same corner as that evil man is head shaking. Indeed the mass evil of the Reds has no comparison with the progress of modern Russia. America boasts a lot about things such as democracy and other aspects when the hard daily practice shows something else.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2020-03-18, 06:41:44
Indeed the mass evil of the Reds has no comparison with the progress of modern Russia.
Putin's evil is not universal indiscriminate mass evil like Stalin's, but it is evil. And it is fairly massive, even though it is also calculated, not indiscriminately universal.

The second Chechen war was evil - particularly the fake FSB-made house explosions which were blamed on Chechens in order to start the war. The wrong reactions to the theatre hostage crisis (2002) and Beslan school siege (2004) where most of the hostages died were evil. I blame them on Putin because he is in tight connection to FSB career-wise. Annexation of Crimea was evil too, unless you think the bridge (https://youtu.be/cZtcQqcRGgM?t=95) is wonderful progress.

Putin projects a strong ruler figure in Russia. In reality he is weak and indecisive in true crises, such as the Kursk submarine disaster, when he went into hiding for at least three days, but he has managed to build up a personality cult for himself. In the parliamentary discussions about the latest constitutional changes, the speaker of the parliament said, when handling the point about starting to count Putin's terms from zero, "Our riches is not oil or gas. The price of those can go down. Our best asset is Putin." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pux067U2cL0

A few notable points here:
- This was said by the SPEAKER of the parliament, i.e. instead of moderating the discussion, he led the discussion
- This was said when the constitutional amendments were under discussion, i.e. at this important moment, he took the discussion away from the parliament to himself
- He said this exactly when the most controversial point of the amendments, the обнуление (zeroing), was taken up.

So he did this to suppress any contrary views. This is the personality cult of Putin, if nobody knew this until now.

Moreover, for the record, also the constitutional amendments are evil. Also halving the value of the rouble in 2015 was evil. And so will be the upcoming halving of rouble this year. 
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Frenzie on 2020-03-18, 07:25:27
Incidentally, this Russian YouTuber has made some videos about the topic. On average I greatly prefer reading, but I like his videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI4aTiY0n34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ8wKYZLnPw
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-03-19, 00:15:36
Dear oh dear ersi you really do succumb to western propaganda relating to President Putin.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2020-03-19, 09:24:33
Incidentally, this Russian YouTuber has made some videos about the topic.
Heh, his interview with bald and bankrupt is great. Bald and bankrupt is a travel youtuber with epic adventures on the Dead Chicken Bridge https://youtu.be/VShysRB6oyU?t=48
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-03-23, 01:56:01
Here in the West we have been controlled by anti-Russian attitudes by politicians and media corners. Led by America (a farce itself politically and generally) the West corner has been the base for bashing Russia.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2020-03-24, 06:10:17
Here in the West we have been controlled by anti-Russian attitudes by politicians and media corners. Led by America (a farce itself politically and generally) the West corner has been the base for bashing Russia.
I expect you and Herr Trumpenfuehrer would get along nicely.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Frenzie on 2020-03-24, 10:32:47
Russia apologists seemingly do little more than invent bizarrely irrelevant tu quoques and whataboutisms. Russia's annexing Crimea? What about our annexation of Indonesia? It was also in the '10s and '20s after all... you know, the 1610s and 1620s. And remember when we kicked the native Americans out of New Amsterdam? How dare we say anything about Chechnya and Georgia?!

They might at least try to come up with something we're actually doing right now (e.g., absurd immigration policies), even if "we do some bad things too" is hardly a defense.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: ersi on 2020-03-24, 11:21:31
Oh, you have those Russia apologists in Benelux too? So their network is wider than some self-hating Germans and unquestioning Trumpites. And an isolated Scotsman.

A particularly funny aspect of those Western Russia apologists is that their sources are obscure conspiracy websites or darknet forums. Why do they not check their information against Russia's official news - in Russian? Well, they would be too astonished to find a direct correlation, that's why.

Doesn't it occur to them that it is possible to condemn all colonialism, both historical and current, whether done by USA, UK, or Russia? This takes away their tu quoque defence.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: Belfrager on 2020-03-24, 13:20:55
Some Europeans thinks that the best way of being anti-American is by being pro-Russia.
I think that the best way for Europeans to be should be to be Patriots first and pro-Europe second. Enough things to be.
Title: Re: What's Going on in Russia?
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-03-25, 01:24:55
Even for an educated American you border on rubbish Colonel starting with the daftness on Stalin who was an evil and despicable dictator. America leads the constant nipping at Russia yet you lot cannot even run your own country right when you see the level of poverty, legal nonsense and control freakery. Over 40 million on food stamps over 2 million in jail, people on death row for months and from time to time years. You spend half the world's military expense as well, interfere with places, try to spike countries that will not accept your control.  Oh and you have over a dozen security agencies! The Stalin thing you came up with made me shake my head and how nonsensical that was and even more so as dictatorship ceased before Putin! I am smiling now because you lot will get stuck with Trump yet again later in the year!