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Title: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-11-11, 23:33:13
I've noticed that, except me, most of you don't post too much at weekends.
I don't want to know the reason for.

So, this is the thread with a new concept of subject. It doesn't have a defined subject but a defined time lag.
You can post whatever subject you want but only at "leisure time", at the weekend.

Post modernism arrived at DnD. New experimentations for meta - forums.
I hope this thread to be a total failure.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-11-12, 00:59:59
Veterans' Day here in the U.S. and Remembrance Day in Europe and the British Dominions...
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-11-12, 01:45:20
Yes a positive mention OakdaleFTL.

Have had my red poppy on for the last few days and watch the annual ceremony on Saturday 11th re my tv with the Royals and political leaders etc at the military occasion in the Albert Hall. On Sunday will be at Glasgow' George Square for the memorial service and ceremonial next the cenotaph. The military will be there too. Quite right to mention the remembrance.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-11-25, 14:44:50
The pleasures of life, at home with the flu...  :irked:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2017-11-25, 16:27:28
The pleasures of life, at home with the flu...  :irked:
Didn't you get your free flu vaccine injection on time? (I never get it no matter how much they campaign for it.)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-11-25, 17:56:08
Nope, never got the flu vaccine.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-11-26, 02:02:31
In Great Britain pensioners get the flue vaccine for nothing.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-11-26, 11:50:32
That's the reason I don't take it, your body will start sending sensitive data to the US...  :alien:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-11-27, 01:07:09
Oh no.....just as well have a mental hospital a couple of miles away to avoid becoming a Yankee.  :(
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-11-28, 08:07:34
Indeed, the immune system of Europe has failed... There is a gulf between intellect and rationality that must be bridged: By what, all you wise and seasoned non-Americans? :)
If you can't find the answer, you'll lose your continent.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2017-11-28, 08:32:42
Indeed, the immune system of Europe has failed...
Since the immune system of Belfrager failed (temporarily), the immune system of Europe has failed (permanently). Good one!

If you can't find the answer, you'll lose your continent.
This one is even better :up:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-11-28, 23:55:11
Wisdom and principles are not a static and deeply inherent thing in the ex-colonies dear home monk Oakdale!  8)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2017-12-16, 16:07:23
Since my 2 weeks deadly virus has been beaten, I plan a wonderful drunking party for tonight. Good news lastly.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-12-18, 01:55:45
Good to hear you are feeling better although the drink thought doesn't appeal to me as I am teetotal but anyway glad things have got better for you.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-12-28, 23:48:56
Wisdom and principles are not a static and deeply inherent thing in the ex-colonies dear home monk Oakdale!
Nor has a Howie been known for such -- at least for a hundred years... :)

You frequently and repeatedly abuse my nation. I ask you again, what did we do to you? (Besides saving you twice from the Huns...) Was it the mad King George that couldn't manage a rag-tag army across the Atlantic, all British and mostly Scots? (Oh, and some Huns!) You're still mad that we won our independence -- whereas you never have? :)
I very much like the term "devolution"... as contrasted with "evolution".

You call me "home monk"... Why? Because I don't uselessly spend money to visit a dying civilization before it's gone? (That's what archeology is for; I've been trained for it.)
What will you do when your oil money runs out? :) You and the Saudis are in the same boat. Of course, you'd like more socialism; Venezuela is the model you'd follow?
Ah, what do you care: You'll be dead soon and have no stake in the world carrying on.
I get out and about quite a bit; I talk to anyone who'd talk, because I like talking -- and I like talking to people. (I'll talk to dogs and cats and children, and Scots of your ilk.)
You are a mean man, RJ. But your intellect -as shown by your posts- is obviously deficient. So, you're mean because you're stupid. Is that what you'd have your nation known for?
What about Adam Smith, Ricardo, Burke, Hume? (Have you heard of them? :) )
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2017-12-29, 08:39:30
What about Adam Smith, Ricardo, Burke, Hume? (Have you heard of them? :) )
Yes, I have heard of them. Are you saying they were Oakdales?
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-12-29, 22:37:01
Dear OakdaleFTL, you can call me all the silly you want as an excuse to get aay from the so obvious failings over there. A wee reminder if the farce your place actually is!

Narking at King George 3rd when we were 3,000 miles away at the revolution facre. The outcome of that event was the upper class control by you own money people.

-How much longer to get slavery scrapped in the wonderful US of A? It's founders were slave owners.
Black people had no chance of being equal to whites and right into the 1960's they were still getting attacked, murdered and denied rights.
-In WW2 black and white solders kept apart and white ones shocked that when stationed here that local girls danced with backs yet we supposed to be fighting racist Nazis.
- In-between the 2 World wars the US had hundreds of thousands in the Ku Klux Klan. They ran city councils, police and corrupt stuff.
- Wide spread corruption in the country, big crime bosses and corruption across the nation.
- Over 2 million people in jail (mostly black).
- Over 41 million on food stamps.
- Elections are like get togethers for child mentality. Waving placards and shouting and whooping like the same infantile corner.-
 Rabbiting on that Russia influenced a general election  (something America has done elsewhere for decades). No proof just juvenile nonsense.- 2 main corporate parties make sure ths system is carved up and more and more further down the society getting frustrated and s on.
- Spending half the world's military bill so that the corporates can make money elsewhere and passingly too in armaments.
- Nationalist mad. Flags everywhere except in the toilets The claim is patriotism which is daft and over the damn top.
- Great place for Mafia minds.
- More black people who are unarmed shot dead by what passes for police.

Just some of the very obvious failings since that revolution in a country that claims so much in a constitution, "principles" an so on yet the practical history is as obvious as a proverbial nose of a face. Call me all the names you like dear man but the hard truth is something you do a dance on and hide behind trying to sort me out! Ha ha. Thanks for the laugh!
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2017-12-30, 01:47:09
Yes, I have heard of them. Are you saying they were Oakdales?
I'm saying they were Scots... I was wondering if RJ knew.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2017-12-30, 22:54:05
Well done Oak for the dance!
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2017-12-31, 14:38:16
This/next year the Day of Divergence is on a weekend. So Happy New Zealand!  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=720.0)

Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-02-11, 23:19:16
Summer time hour change is going to finish. Finally.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-02-12, 13:15:53
Quote from: jax
Finland faces setback in push to abolish Daylight Saving Time
 (https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_faces_setback_in_push_to_abolish_daylight_saving_time/10066676")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRH5wzCQQw
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2018-02-12, 15:59:58
@jax How did you manage to botch the yle.fi link? http://"https:0... <-- what the hell is this? The right url https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_faces_setback_in_push_to_abolish_daylight_saving_time/10066676
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2018-02-12, 20:50:44
I'm slightly surprised that Poland is in favor of abolishing DST, seeing how Central European time was practically invented for them. Only the easternmost edge of Poland falls in UTC+2. Over here we're at UTC, meaning even winter time puts us one hour[1] ahead of solar time. Estonia and Finland are in somewhat similar positions, over half an hour ahead of solar time.

Anyway, we (Benelux, France, Spain) are affected worse since we're already living in perpetual DST. Where can I find out who voted for and against this @$#@#$ WW1 fossil?
57 minutes to be precise, according to https://time.is/Antwerp
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2018-02-12, 21:07:50
I'm slightly surprised that Poland is in favor of abolishing DST, seeing how Central European time was practically invented for them.
Timezone is a different thing than having to turn the clock. Nobody wants to turn the clock. Who invented this turning the clock anyway? It must have been the French :furious:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-02-12, 22:57:54
@jax How did you manage to botch the yle.fi link? http://"https:0... <-- what the hell is this?

The WYSIWYG editor did. Fixed now.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-02-12, 23:20:24
I'm slightly surprised that Poland is in favor of abolishing DST, seeing how Central European time was practically invented for them. Only the easternmost edge of Poland falls in UTC+2. Over here we're at UTC, meaning even winter time puts us one hour[1] ahead of solar time. Estonia and Finland are in somewhat similar positions, over half an hour ahead of solar time.

Anyway, we (Benelux, France, Spain) are affected worse since we're already living in perpetual DST. Where can I find out who voted for and against this @$#@#$ WW1 fossil?

You must mean Eastern European Time. Practically all of the EU is at Central European Time, with some Western outliers (Ireland and Portugal) and some Eastern outliers (Finland, Baltic States, Romania). Countries tend to prefer a time zone more eastern than the one closest to have 12:00 at noon on average. Prague is close to 15°E (nominally CET), St. Petersburg, Kiev, and Istanbul to 30°E (nominally EET). The reason, just as with summer time, is to maximise daytime hours.

So, getting rid of summer time, the most attractive option for most would be permanent summer time. In other words EET for countries currently on CET. That would give Finland, the Baltic States and the rest on EET a choice. Do they want to be on permanent summer time as well, or permanent winter time, in effect putting these countries on the same time zone as most of the EU.
57 minutes to be precise, according to https://time.is/Antwerp
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-02-12, 23:26:53
Europe, even Southern Europe, is far north on the planet. The daylight variability during the year far outweigh the difference in time zones.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2018-02-13, 09:18:39
You must mean Eastern European Time.
I have no idea what you're driving at. Warsaw is at -10 minutes, Lublin -16 and Wroclaw at +6. Poland is Central Europe and CET is their time zone. The only reason we use CET is because Nazi Germany forced us to in 1940.[1] CET is quite literally Nazi Time.

Spain is also on Nazi Time, but that's because Franco was a big fan who wanted to show off his allegiance. Nobody forced them.

The reason, just as with summer time, is to maximise daytime hours.
I'm fairly sure that we have summer (or in deceptive English, "daylight saving") time today because of the completely unfounded claim that it saves energy, which was important during the '70s oil crisis so they were desperate to try anything.
Us meaning the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2018-02-13, 10:22:01
The only reason we use CET is because Nazi Germany forced us to in 1940.[1] CET is quite literally Nazi Time.

Spain is also on Nazi Time, but that's because Franco was a big fan who wanted to show off his allegiance. Nobody forced them.
Are you saying it's a bad thing because the Nazis did it? Here's another thing for you to consider, the Stalinist decree time (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_time) that involved turning the clock one hour ahead, permanently, to save daylight time, so that people wake up and go to work in daylight and waste less electricity.

The superiority of this idea is in that the clocks were turned ahead once and for all, not twice a year. It cannot bother anyone much what the clock shows, but it bothers everyone a lot when you have to turn the clock back and forth twice a year.
Us meaning the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-02-13, 13:47:22
The worst thing for me is to have dinner while there's still daylight.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2018-02-13, 14:44:28
Are you saying it's a bad thing because the Nazis did it?
Facetiously, yes. More seriously, their concern was ease of administration across the Third Reich and whether the time on the clock matters depends on to what extent the clock dictates your working hours. That is, does having the same timezone mean we all start work at 8:00 or does it mean it just makes our conversations easier? There is some slight support for this notion. I understand that in Germany school can start at 7:30, whereas here in Flanders school starts at 8:00 at the earliest. Our perception of Germans as early risers and Spaniards as late sleepers goes back to that. At the same time (har, har), Spaniards definitely suffer the most from their stupid timezone, although a lot of it is cultural. This whole timezone and clock shifting business is basically just an attempt to short-circuit culture.

The superiority of this idea is in that the clocks were turned ahead once and for all, not twice a year. It cannot bother anyone much what the clock shows, but it bothers everyone a lot when you have to turn the clock back and forth twice a year.
Probably, but there are two parts to it. Switching to DST is freaking terrible. That probably can't be too different anywhere. But I wonder if switching back to "winter time" feels like quite the same level of relief in Poland. Basically DST feels utterly wrong to me and pretty much keeps on doing so until we switch back to normal time. The switch back to winter time isn't just unproblematic, but welcome.

Anyway, perpetual DST seems okay, I guess. Just as long as everyone understands that we are in perpetual DST.
Title: Argentina is in perpetual DST
Post by: Barulheira on 2018-02-13, 16:11:55
Argentina is in perpetual DST. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Argentina)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-02-13, 16:31:17
Are you saying it's a bad thing because the Nazis did it?
Napoleon has a few things to answer for as well.

The natural variability is more significantly where we live. The Earth's orbit isn't circular, The distance to the Sun varies through the year. The Earth's axis of rotation is tilted. The Earth isn't a sphere. Most of us don't live at the equator. The whole thing wobbles a bit.

Most of these effects are so minute we wouldn't notice. A solar day varies with about a minute during a year, the solar noon with half an hour.

The southernmost point on the mainland in the EU is Punta de Tarifa in Spain at 32°N, further south than Gibraltar, and south of the northernmost point of Africa at 37°N. Even at that point the summer day is five hours longer than the winter day.  Since Norway is not in the EU (and Greenland not in the mainland), the northernmost point in the EU is Nuorgam in Finland, at 70°N. There the sun is up from 16 May to 28 July. Most of Europe is between those extremes, but seasonal fluctuations far outweigh the time zone differences.

This map shows the difference between nominal solar noon (which as mention can differ quite significantly from real solar noon) and longitude. The prevalence of red shows that most pick long nights over bright mornings. Where I am. Södertälje, is one of the few (slightly) green areas in Europe (now, at 17:24 CET, it's nautical twilight).


(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2014%2F03%2F03%2Farticle-2572317-1C01C1F900000578-96_964x492.jpg&hash=0325ab411c4ade133edef92d42d2db19" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/03/article-2572317-1C01C1F900000578-96_964x492.jpg)

Single-hour time zones don't do major time difference, and it is a significant boon not having to change time zone just by moving a little bit or talking to someone on the other side of the border. 

My suggestion would be for those on CET to be on perpetual summer time, and those on EET to be on perpetual winter time. That would lead to all of mainland EU being in the same time zone (in effect EET, or UTC+2). For Finland, Estland, and the rest that would mean no summertime, but being on European time. 
Title: Re: Argentina is in perpetual DST
Post by: ersi on 2018-02-13, 17:45:31
Argentina is in perpetual DST. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Argentina)
A Wikipedia page titled "Time in Argentina". There's a special Argentinian time. Time runs differently when you are in Argentina.
Title: Time in Argentina
Post by: Barulheira on 2018-02-14, 10:48:27
He knows it.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Franciscus_in_2015.jpg/220px-Franciscus_in_2015.jpg)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-02-14, 19:04:58
 :faint:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-02-15, 00:22:46
Barulheira is in Carnival in Rio, instead going to bed with wonderful women he posts imbecilities at DnD.
This way next year DnD will go to Brasilian Carnival..,.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-02-15, 00:30:55
Hope this is not the fault of nutjobland as they have enough to apologise for.........
Title: Posting imbecilities
Post by: Barulheira on 2018-02-15, 10:53:33
he posts imbecilities at DnD.
Yes, I prefer to join you all. :cheers:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2018-02-23, 21:29:34
I'll just drop color time here.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/colorclock/
Quote
We can simply decide that at some particular point, the time is "orange," everywhere on the planet. Later on it will be yellow, green, teal, blue, maroon, and so on, and eventually orange again. In my part of the world, people tend to wake up in the blue range, eat lunch around lavender and get off work at orange, but elsewhere it may be that you wake up at yellow and have dinner at purple. Neither seems to make more sense than the other, which is exactly the point. And then if we want to have a phone call, we can arrange to speak at thirty minutes past indigo, and there is no confusion about exactly when that means.

It sounds more attractive than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-02-23, 23:03:41
I'll just drop color time here.
I like the idea but grey at noon?? never.
Besides the blueish tones are in the morning, the redish at afternoon, the clock is deeply wrong.

It has some brilliant things, ten to blue, half past pink....
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2018-02-24, 08:39:24
Incidentally, I just noticed the same person wrote a nice rant about DST.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/custard/
Quote
Which is all well and good, mind you. I'm glad that people want to get up earlier, get a jump on the day, enjoy the summer sun, and so on. I give my blessing to all those so inclined to go ahead and get up as early as they like. What I resent is when anyone tries to force me to join in the revels by legislating the change of MY clock. Keep your hands off my clock! I have enough trouble getting up in the morning as it is.

Frankly, I think if Daylight Saving Time were talked about in terms of what it actually accomplishes - "Hey, let's all get up an hour earlier every day all summer long!" - it would have a lot less popular support than it currently does.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-02-25, 22:30:00
Hour change doesn't have any popular support. Never saw anyone defending it.
It's a pure form of Nazism with all it's pseudo scientific justifications.

One of those parts of "democracy" where one can never vote about.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-03-31, 14:17:01
(https://image.ibb.co/iuTEx7/reentry.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
Is this the best accuracy space scientists can calculate?? I can do the same.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2018-03-31, 15:28:29
That's just orbital data. It shows that its orbiting at a 35-40 degree inclination and approx 8 orbits. Where it hits depends on how fast it descends. From what I've read it will hit in the pacific early on the 1st of April.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-03-31, 22:14:45
Sometimes I think people get carried away with all this space stuff most of which is of no great advantage and costs massive sums. We even get people who would want to live in barren Mars. At least daftness is still regular.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2018-04-01, 00:00:03
You've always only thought of your own orbit, RJ. If you had your way, "bleeding" would still be an accepted medical procedure... :)

You're still angry that the New World was discovered! The damned Spaniards and Portuguese should have just stayed at home, or colonized south and middle Africa and China and India -- like the sensible Brits!
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-04-01, 18:25:28
Totally dopey even if I try to make allowances for where you live boy!

There is no point in billions being spent sending rockets out into nowhere and ideas for going to Mars and people really wanting to go and get the chance to be on that damn planet. Pointless so do not swerve from the point.  Even the Moon would be a s boring as hell! You just absorb such drivel but the way your place is run I suppose allowances need to be made poor man.  ;)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2018-04-03, 02:25:53
You're content to sit in your parlor and watch your telly... Enjoy, RJ! But others want more.

The moon is our launching place for mining operations in the asteroid belt, which will become crucial -- eventually. (I know you don't care about future generations - but others do, for reasons you wouldn't understand.) Why do you think everybody should just stay at home and watch his telly? :) (And you tell me to get out and about! :) )

It seems to me that you think the world is over, ended. Pardon me if I disagree... Your world is over; your way of looking at things is passé. You never were an intellectual; also, you were never very bright. But you always assumed that your point of view was the only acceptable one.
Move on, RJ.
Humanity will, also.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: rjhowie on 2018-04-03, 21:06:03
You could do with more but where you live bombs that out.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-12-30, 12:01:51
This/next year the Day of Divergence is on a weekend. So Happy New Zealand!  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=720.0)


The Day of Divergence tomorrow is not, but this post is.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2018-12-30, 22:00:10
@jax, I forgot to mention the missus named a horse after you. He's 6-7mos old now, I'll try to remember to snap a new pic or grab a birth pic off my old phone. In good form with circumstances that's likely to be random. But little horsey just popped out months ahead of expectations. So random that the missus elected to name him after the OP of the Random Horse (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=330.msg22198#msg22198) thread.  :headbang:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2018-12-31, 00:43:04
There's a music called A Horse with No Name. Made by a group called America.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: jax on 2018-12-31, 11:04:42
That sounds fun. I had also forgotten all about that thread, it's a nice one.

And now the divergence has begun. New Zealand is in 2019, the rest of us (barring some Pacific islands) live in an entirely different year.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2019-01-01, 17:03:43
Best wishes for all in 2019! :cheers:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2019-01-02, 00:05:07
 :wine:
A great 2019 for everybody.
Title: Portuguese is awesome
Post by: ersi on 2019-01-05, 07:23:43
Mandarin is not a Chinese word and mandarin ducks now live in Portugal.
Quote from: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/where-does-mandarin-come/579073/
[The word "mandarin"] encapsulates an entire colonial history. In the 16th century, Portuguese explorers were the first Europeans to reach China. Traders and missionaries followed, settling into Macau on land leased from China's Ming dynasty rulers. The Portuguese called the Ming officials they met mandarim, which comes from menteri in Malay and, before that, mantrī in Sanskrit, both of which mean "minister" or "counselor." It makes sense that Portuguese would borrow from Malay; they were simultaneously colonizing Malacca on the Malay peninsula.

For centuries, Europeans' impressions of China filtered largely through the Portuguese. [...] From the vantage-point of English speakers, many of the exonyms for non-European places and languages come filtered through the languages of former colonial powers. Bombay and Ceylon, for example, also come from the Portuguese, whose empire once sprawled through Asia.
(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/mt/2018/12/AP_18339679369968/lead_720_405.jpg)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2019-01-06, 00:37:53
I hate the periodic chart. This one makes sense.

(https://i.ibb.co/gPzCqH9/the-elements-according-to-relative-abundance-50882e44c2027.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dLGyC1M)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-01-06, 17:43:39
From the chart: "The chart emphasizes that in real life a chemist will probably meet O, Si, Al,...and that he better do something about it."

Okay. The thing to do about O is probably - breathe.

But what is the empty space under Al? Should we do something about that too?
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Belfrager on 2019-01-07, 01:04:28
Okay. The thing to do about O is probably - breathe.
You breathe much more than just O
But what is the empty space under Al? Should we do something about that too?
That's a mysterious empty space. Learn to live with mystery in your life.  :)
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-01-09, 14:27:50
But what is the empty space under Al? Should we do something about that too?
If you encounter that it steals your molecules. :D
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2019-01-11, 00:14:07
 It does look like it's sucking up all the matter from the bottom ones and adding it to the top of the list.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-06-21, 20:54:27
Iranians shot a U.S. drone down, in Iran airspace. Trump declared full-out war. Or maybe he retracted the declaration. Or maybe he was stopped. Or maybe his puppetmaster reconsidered.

https://www.voanews.com/middle-east/trump-reportedly-approved-military-retaliation-after-iran-shootdown-us-drone

***
Trump warns Iran of 'obliteration' in event of war (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48728465)

Quite predictably, when you are a U.S. president, you must make war. Even when you are Trump supposedly draining the swamp.

***
According to experts, judging by Trump's tweets, either the procedure of deciding over war with Iran went very irregularly or Trump totally dreamed up being part of such a procedure https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-iran-strike-civilian-death-toll-10-minutes-nsc-2019-6
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-07-13, 09:39:33
According to experts, judging by Trump's tweets, either the procedure of deciding over war with Iran went very irregularly or Trump totally dreamed up being part of such a procedure
Given that everyone seems to agree the Trump administration is dysfunctional (not just some "leaked" messages from the UK ambassador) it seems plausible enough to assume it went at least somewhat irregularly.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-07-14, 07:21:27
A five-hour blackout in Manhattan left Jennifer Lopez "devastated and heartbroken" because her concert had to be called off and rescheduled https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48978692

For those who still have electricity this weekend, re-watch Tour de France for the occasional nice landscapes https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/tour-de-france/replay/
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-07-14, 09:44:45
She has to say something, I guess. Presumably market research shows that being overdramatic has the best results with the audience.
or those who still have electricity this weekend, re-watch Tour de France for the occasional nice landscapes https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/tour-de-france/replay/ (https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/tour-de-france/replay/)
You can actually watch that? I'm geoblocked.

If I really wanted to I suppose I could make an account around here (https://www.rtbf.be/auvio/detail_tour-de-france-8eme-etape-macon-saint-etienne-1-2?id=2520749) (or around here (https://sporza.be/nl/videozone/) for Belgian Dutch). They didn't require any accounts up to a few months ago.

But over at Dutch TV (https://www.npostart.nl/nos-tour-de-france/12-07-2019/POW_04304503) it's surprisingly not geoblocked. Could be an oversight? The quality is abysmal to make up for it.

Personally I'd just watch something like this program about squirrels (https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/073108-000-A/la-folle-famille-des-ecureuils/) if I wanted landscapes and stuff. Actually for landscapes this documentary about Canadian national parks (https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/074547-001-A/les-parcs-nationaux-canadiens/) would probably do better, but it's geoblocked. Meanwhile, over on satellite you can receive Arte in all languages FTA, as well as all the geoblocked British, French, German, etc. TV.

About a decade ago I thought satellite might become obsolete thanks to the Internet, but the situation has become much worse since with all those geoblocks. It seems that satellite is still quite relevant for that reason. However, non-satellite TV is still as limited and obsolete as it has been since the '90s.

On the plus side, the most interesting TV, such as Arte, is typically the least geoblocked.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-07-14, 11:42:11
or those who still have electricity this weekend, re-watch Tour de France for the occasional nice landscapes https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/tour-de-france/replay/ (https://sport.francetvinfo.fr/tour-de-france/replay/)
You can actually watch that? I'm geoblocked.
There are means to bypass it. In your case, Freedom to Stream is just a tiny train ride away.

About a decade ago I thought satellite might become obsolete thanks to the Internet, but the situation has become much worse since with all those geoblocks. It seems that satellite is still quite relevant for that reason. However, non-satellite TV is still as limited and obsolete as it has been since the '90s.
In modern cable/streamed (as opposed to radiowave-broadcast) TV there is an updated feature of re-watching or re-playing. But yes, it is still too limited. From what I have seen, the re-watch is only available max 30 days back and you can only browse the schedules in calendary manner as per clocktimes, which makes no sense when you want to watch a whole season of some series in unbroken order. So the TV thing is not worth the waste of money and nerves in this era. And no more updates seem to be forthcoming to this service. The development tends towards the opposite - other internet sharing and on-demand services are being rolled back to resemble the limitations of modern TV.

On the plus side, the most interesting TV, such as Arte, is typically the least geoblocked.
Yes, Arte and things like it are nice. Some Youtube celebs have recently taken to promote Curiositystream (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CuriosityStream), which is a storage of science and nature docus. For a while I considered subscribing to it, but more likely I won't.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2019-07-14, 12:27:15
A five-hour blackout in Manhattan left Jennifer Lopez "devastated and heartbroken"
She still has concerts and people go to them?! Fascinating.
About a decade ago I thought satellite might become obsolete thanks to the Internet, but the situation has become much worse since with all those geoblocks. It seems that satellite is still quite relevant for that reason.
Now every network is just starting their own streaming service for $15/mo. so the dream of cheaper content on demand has died as well. No matter what the same few corporations have to own it all.

 
Some Youtube celebs have recently taken to promote Curiositystream (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CuriosityStream), which is a storage of science and nature docus. For a while I considered subscribing to it, but more likely I won't.
Yeah, sounds like a way for the algorithm to trash your feed with every idiotic thing remotely similar.

Personally I'd just watch something like this program about squirrels (https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/073108-000-A/la-folle-famille-des-ecureuils/) if I wanted landscapes and stuff.
There's three in my yard right now that needs shooting. Little fuckers developed a taste for the wires in my truck. :irked:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-07-14, 12:33:39
In modern cable/streamed (as opposed to radiowave-broadcast) TV there is an updated feature of re-watching or re-playing. But yes, it is still too limited.
Since we've had HDD-based recorders (i.e., since before this rewatching feature) that's only relevant if you notice part x of something in the guide and you'd like to see part 1 through x-1 too. In theory that could be quite relevant indeed, but as you said in practice it's only a few weeks. Of course, chances are there'll be at least some reruns, so you can probably catch it at some point. Regardless, it still feels like TV in the '90s, when you had to choose to watch your older recordings or tape over it. (Or you could keep buying new tapes, I suppose.)

Case in point, I recently visited my parents and we watched a documentary recorded about a decade ago. Even if a rewatch feature went back that far, it'd require an elaborate bookmarking system that services like YouTube technically have but make exceedingly hard to use. It feels more like a vestigial feature that they haven't removed yet.

For me YouTube's descent into faux TV didn't become apparent until they removed the star-based rating system. They said just thumbs up & down was enough for them to distill the ratings. Which may well be true, but it's also completely irrelevant. If most videos I watched are thumbs up, I cannot search for the best videos I watched in 2017. I could track this separately if I really wanted to, and it would be smarter to do so because YouTube isn't the only place around, but it's pretty bizarre to me that they thought that little bit of vendor lock-in on my end was worth removing.

Yeah, sounds like a way for the algorithm to trash your feed with every idiotic thing remotely similar.
Some people claim their YouTube suggestions are relevant. I'm having a hard time believing that, or maybe they just mean something else than I do. If I watch a video about some old Atari console, all my suggestions are for Atari stuff. Which, sure, I might watch more about I guess, but you have literally years of my viewing habits at your disposal and yet you suggest stuff I literally watched last week and videos that are practically carbon copies of the one I just finished... I think YouTube should be able to do better.

There's three in my yard right now that needs shooting. Little fuckers developed a taste for the wires in my truck.  :irked:
Oy! :insane:
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-07-14, 13:28:09
Some people claim their YouTube suggestions are relevant. I'm having a hard time believing that, or maybe they just mean something else than I do. [...] I think YouTube should be able to do better.
Are you still giving them a benefit of the doubt? I am never logged in there and I open it up only in browsers where all cookies are purged upon exit, so I always search up stuff that I explicitly want, not what they think I want. Otherwise YT (and other Google-y services) swiftly become rabbithole echochambers and one's perception of the world gets warped accordingly.

Of course, by not being logged in I lose awesome niceties like liking, subbing, etc. but what the heck. I like nothing anyway. I am callous like this.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2019-07-14, 13:29:47
If I watch a video about some old Atari console, all my suggestions are for Atari stuff. Which, sure, I might watch more about I guess, but you have literally years of my viewing habits at your disposal and yet you suggest stuff I literally watched last week and videos that are practically carbon copies of the one I just finished... I think YouTube should be able to do better.
Yep, that's how they get ya.

If you ever sub one you'll get all the stuff THEY watch too.  :no:

The missus likes funny animal vids and sometimes I watch clips from movies or TV, to see if I'm interested. I've learned clicking dislike, regardless of how I felt about it, helps the algorithm understand not to littler my suggested with such... sorta.

Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-07-14, 13:43:27
Since we've had HDD-based recorders (i.e., since before this rewatching feature)
You mean where the TV signals when the show starts so the VCR can start recording at the correct moment? Did this feature ever work? These days at my neighbour's when I seek up something to re-watch, I usually have to scroll some good 20 minutes to get to the right spot, so these start/end signals still do not work. Absolute piece of crap worthless junk service not worth paying for.

I would maybe mildly consider it once they begin to provide the opportunity to record/save stuff on USB stick. Well, not even then.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ensbb3 on 2019-07-14, 14:06:23
I don't watch enough actual TV to be a good judge. But even so most of the time I watch what's on the DVR via my PC. I've never noticed a problem with capturing the program. Xfinity's website can be bothersome. I find the clunkiness of a TV remote interface to be far more bothersome, tho. I guess YouTube has spoiled me in one way at least.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-07-14, 16:11:45
Are you still giving them a benefit of the doubt?
Benefit of the doubt? I'm not quite sure in what regard I'd be doing that. I use it because it's a sufficiently convenient way to track my subscriptions. Occasionally seeing the worthless suggestions is more of a combination between an accident, curiosity, and perhaps schadenfreude.

You mean where the TV signals when the show starts so the VCR can start recording at the correct moment? Did this feature ever work?
No, that was already available on VHS recorders (and yes, it worked back in the '90s). I was referring simply to the fact that HDDs aren't tapes or DVDs. Sure, you have to perform the occasional bit of management, i.e., deletion and programming, but that's about it.

Absolute piece of crap worthless junk service not worth paying for.
But... that's not a paid service. It's just part of the signal. :)

The missus likes funny animal vids and sometimes I watch clips from movies or TV, to see if I'm interested. I've learned clicking dislike, regardless of how I felt about it, helps the algorithm understand not to littler my suggested with such... sorta.
One thing the suggestions/autoplay do seem to get right is going from part 1 to part 2 of a series of videos.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-07-15, 06:59:22
I was referring simply to the fact that HDDs aren't tapes or DVDs.
HDD as in harddrives inside the tv device? The problem with them is that the saving/recording stays within the particular tv device. It would be a giant leap forward if one could record stuff on a USB stick and play the recording anywhere, but likely not giant enough to change my low opinion on modern tv.

Absolute piece of crap worthless junk service not worth paying for.
But... that's not a paid service. It's just part of the signal. :)
Modern digital tv is very much a paid service that you must subscribe to in order to have it. Or isn't it in your country? Even the radiowave-broadcast tv was a paid service (by means of tv/radio tax) in countries like UK, Sweden, and Finland.

One thing the suggestions/autoplay do seem to get right is going from part 1 to part 2 of a series of videos.
Another thing that does not work on tv.

By the way, when I said landscapes wrt Tour de France, I meant actual landscapes, places and such. Squirrels on the path of bicyclists are not a good thing. Without Tour de France, I would for example never have known that e.g. this castle exists https://tinyurl.com/y224pa95
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-07-15, 13:28:10
HDD as in harddrives inside the tv device? The problem with them is that the saving/recording stays within the particular tv device. It would be a giant leap forward if one could record stuff on a USB stick and play the recording anywhere, but likely not giant enough to change my low opinion on modern tv.
Whatever horrific energy slurping box a cable/telephony provider forces on people is often artificially limited so it won't do much of anything. Most satellite receivers, where there's a healthy competitive consumer market, can record on USB.[1] There are even low-cost options for under € 50 without built-in harddrives that require you to supply your own USB drive if you want to record anything.

In satellite receivers more expensive models can record something like 4 or 5 programs at once, while the cheap option might do only 1 like we used to in the early 2000s. The local cable provider here in Flanders (Telenet) allows you to record 2 programs at once if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if it's a physical limitation or an artificial limitation, but the superiority of free receiver choice with satellite TV speaks for itself. I wouldn't be surprised if sometime soon they rolled out a big marketing campaign to trumpet the introduction of recording 3 programs at once, even though that's been standard on satellite receivers for a decade. Heck, it might even just be a simple software switch.

Incidentally, besides rather significantly more things to watch[2] and free receiver choice, satellite TV also has better image quality.
Modern digital tv is very much a paid service that you must subscribe to in order to have it. Or isn't it in your country? Even the radiowave-broadcast tv was a paid service (by means of tv/radio tax) in countries like UK, Sweden, and Finland.
The Dutch public channels are encrypted on satellite for some incomprehensible reason,[3] but English, French and German TV are largely FTA, public and commercial alike. There hasn't really been any change in which channels are encrypted and which aren't with the switch from analog to digital over a decade ago, except for the usual minor changes.

It's true that public radio/TV is partially tax funded, but that was no different all the way back in the early 1920s, so I'm not entirely sure what you're driving at.
Without Tour de France, I would for example never have known that e.g. this castle exists
I imagine vistas and such are at the very least considered as part of the route they plan.
Actually I don't know how healthy the market is as such. The point is you've got a decent variety to choose from, starting at tens of Euros going up to hundreds of Euros, all of which are probably better than the forced nightmare box from the cable provider even when the hardware is inferior (i.e., in the cheapest models).
Assuming you're even the tiniest bit interested in TV from across Europe and North Africa.
I suspect the argument is that you can pick it up for free with an antenna. The regional channels are FTA though.
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: ersi on 2019-07-15, 14:56:37
Very interesting. Since I am completely unfamiliar with satellite tv, I am fully ready to trust you on that it has all the benefits that tv should have and hardly any disadvantages. Just by hunch, it should indeed be about as freely and easily usable as shortwave radio, where I think I can occasionally hear languages of the Pacific Ocean, which is totally amazing.

In other news, Lukashenko's rule over Belarus passed 25 year mark. Congrats! https://belsat.eu/en/news/twenty-five-years-of-lukashenkas-rule-bring-neither-bright-past-nor-confident-future/
Title: Re: The weekend post
Post by: Frenzie on 2019-07-15, 16:20:53
The only real disadvantage is that it can be difficult to use satellite dishes in the city. I wouldn't be surprised if anti-dish stipulations in rental contracts and the like were thinly veiled anti-Turkish/Moroccan racism.

Personally I find the North African and Turkish channels... less interesting to put it mildly, like an even worse version of the regular dreck on your average commercial channel. In any event, there's this odd perception among city dwellers that dish equals foreigner.

Perhaps I'm a foreigner at heart,[1] but I find even one of the random German theme channels like the opera channel, the train trip channel or the nature channel more worthwhile than all of the commercial channels combined.

The cabled TV providers say they have an "extensive offering" of ~75 channels. Back before satellite that might've impressed me. You could only get three channels through antenna, and if the wind blew in the right direction or something you could catch some snowy German channels.[2] But on cable/telephone you only get a single Arte. Given that we're in Belgium probably the French one? They don't specify on the website, but point being that back when I had TV I was used to French and German. And get this, the one on cable isn't even in HD.

Anyway, on satellite you can watch hundreds of German channels for free, dozens of French, a dozen Dutch, a couple dozen Czech, a couple dozen Spanish, and hundreds of English ones, not to mention the various smaller languages like Welsh, Luxembourgish (possibly available on cable in the Benelux, but even then I suspect only one or two instead of the full three) and even Farsi. The Brits even have all kinds of weird commercial theme channels, like one that plays only Western movies. Your average viewer would get a subscription for the encrypted Dutch/Belgian channels along with it, which starts at about € 15/month. Cabled starts at twice that.

You have to figure a few hundred for equipment with satellite, but a simple calculation shows that it only takes one to two years to make up the difference with cable. Slightly more perhaps if you compare with one of those triple-play formulas the cable/phone company loves to push on people.[3]

To put it bluntly, around here I think it's pretty crazy to pick cable when satellite is a realistic option.

PS I haven't had a "TV" in any sense since '08, so I'm clearly not the target audience for regular TV. But what TV meant for me when I was growing up was a window on the world. I wouldn't speak German nearly as well without it, and your requisite ARD and ZDF that they used to broadcast on Dutch cable wouldn't have done that for me. The occasional Krimi was about the most interesting thing on those. And admittedly I like the ARD Tagesschau (daily news).
Technically I am a foreigner of course, but in the Netherlands you get most Belgian channels on cable and vice versa so not in a relevant sense.
I believe you can catch a few dozen via digital antenna nowadays, provided you pay. This might even be the second-best option, not much worse than cable but significantly cheaper. Here in Belgium it seems to cost about € 10/month and equipment is pretty cheap. However, it seems that you only get a proper selection of receivers if you import the equipment from Germany... odd, that.
But also you could just wait for when one of the satellite providers has an offer for free equipment of a "€ 200 value" (which is what they offer right now). Assuming the receiver they give away for "free" with the contract is one you like.