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Title: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-04-21, 04:44:53
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Yes RJ  ......   it's that time again!

So ............

Who will be the Democrat Candidates?

Who will be the Republican Candidates?

Will there be a strong Independant Candidate?  And if so, who will they syphon votes from --- Dems or GOP?

Who will win their respective Priamries?   Why.

Which Party goes into the Election as the Underdog?  Why.

Will the Democrat Party seek the endorsement & active campaigning of President Obama for their candidate? Why?

What do you think will be the most important issues of the 2016 Presidential Election?  Why?

Of those issues, which issue (singular -- one) will dominate the candidates agendas?

Who do you think will win the Presidential Election?  How & Why?

Will the Republicans take the Senate?  Why?

Will the Democrats take the House?  Why?

A Poll will be added after all the Conventions have been completed.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-04-21, 05:25:08
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-21, 07:26:22
I'd rather vote for Putin.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-21, 07:49:27
On the Democrat side my best guess is Hillary.

As for the Republicans, there are too many possibilities for me to give a reasonable guess.

Jeb Bush? Chris Christie?  Rand Paul? Certainly not the Tea Party whore Ted Cruz. You're a Republican. Whom do you like?
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As an almost total aside, let's forget the rules and consider that person we'd most like to see as the president. I'd go with the present tabloid darling, Princess Kate, the Duchess of Cambridge. Where my wife and I shop for groceries, the junk magazines are parked in the checkout lane, and almost every women's magazine features Kate in some form. "Kate's new shoes," "Kate's favorite handbag," "Kate's new baby!" "Kate flies a kite!"

I don't know what her foreign policy priorities are, but I'd vote for her in a minute because I love her hats!
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: tt92 on 2014-04-21, 09:00:51
Kate, husband, and little George are currently touring Oz and charming everyone.
One thing is obvious, the little guy is going to inherit a great set of teeth.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-21, 11:16:56
Thanks, sir. Perhaps we should have a separate thread for the whereabouts, accouterments, teeth and hair of the Princess.

I suggest Princess Kate Unveiled!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-22, 09:29:43
This just days ago.
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The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge landed in New Zealand early Monday local time for a three-week tour of New Zealand and Australia. It's the first royal tour for Prince George.

Prince George is third in line to the British throne, but his parents want to be the picture of a modern family. So William and Kate are taking their 8-month-old son on a business trip.


Details here....
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/babys-first-tour-prince-george-travels-down-under-with-william-and-kate/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/babys-first-tour-prince-george-travels-down-under-with-william-and-kate/)

And here...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-04-22, 11:52:36
If nominated, I will run for the border.

If elected, I will fight extradition.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-22, 19:05:19
If you're elected, I'll be a roommate with Snowden.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-04-22, 22:23:48
Candidates for the parties:

Democrat:

1. Hillary (aka Billary) Clinton

2. Elizabeth Warren



Republican:

1. Mike Huckabee

2. Rand Paul


Libertarian:

1. Gary Johnson



Socialist Party of America:

1. Jimbro
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-23, 07:43:38

Socialist Party of America:

1. Jimbro
:o
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Something struck me when I saw your response...the fact that the land of the free and home of the brave has never had a female head of state. The following countries have had at least one.
* Argentina
* Australia
* Bahrain
* Bangladesh
* Barbados
* Belize
* Bolivia
* Brazil
* Burundi
* Canada
* Central African Republic
* Chile
* Denmark
* Dominica
* Equatorial Guinea
* Finland
* France
* Germany
* Grenada
* Guyana
* Haiti
* Iceland
* India
* Indonesia
* Ireland
* Israel
* Latvia
* Liberia
* Lithuania
* Malawi
* Mauritius
* Netherlands
* New Zealand
* Nicaragua
* Norway
* Pakistan
* Panama
* Philippines
* Poland
* Portugal
* San Marino
* Serbia
* Sri Lanka
* Swaziland
* Switzerland
* Thailand
* Turkey
* Ukraine
* United Kingdom

What's wrong with that picture?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Macallan on 2014-04-23, 07:53:42

Socialist Party of America:

1. Jimbro

I wonder if Coon is running again this time around :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-23, 08:20:13
Yes...in circles.  :D
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: krake on 2014-04-23, 08:58:13

Something struck me when I saw your response...the fact that the land of the free and home of the brave has never had a female head of state.

Indeed :sherlock:

She has my vote  8)

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-04-23, 09:57:07
 Cool!..
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-04-25, 18:38:11
I see Senator Ron Paul's son is being touted as a candidate. As for that brain dead woman from Alaska, I am not sure which she needs to look after in that picture the most.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-04-25, 20:02:12
The following countries have had at least one.

....
Portugal

Nope.
The "head of State" is the president of the republic, we had a woman as prime minister, never as a president.
Besides being a woman she was also a lunatic but since she's already dead I will not criticize her.

If you refer to monarchy, here we always had a decent monarchy, Queens don't rule shit.

As for the next American elections, after a black Nobel prize, the competition must be between a gay and a housewife. Both will have a Nobel prize of course. Unless it goes for Putin... that would be funny but not less surprising than to Obama.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Macallan on 2014-04-26, 14:49:10

... that brain dead woman from Alaska ...

Sarah Palin & Michelle Malkin vs. Elizabeth Warren and Wendy Davis? :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-04-27, 00:23:45
I do have to groan that we will get brained with "that time again." All the ballyhoo and those ridiculous political conventions that are pointless. And as standard practice the champion front runners will give tear jerking speeches about a new country and new horizon et al and the audience will be almost tearful at the dumb rhetoric. What a system that just repeats the same old stuff and everyone forgets they hear it each time.

I watched an interview with Senator Ron Paul on television and was struck by his directness, honesty and different stance. He is sick to death of the constant need for wars and the militarism overburden. When he commented that "we should stop interfering everywhere else I nearly shouted "hooray." (!). It is a shame that a country with so many decent people in it are stuck with a system that no longer works and is controlled by corporates not the people they elect.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: tt92 on 2014-04-27, 00:34:47

. What a system that just repeats the same old stuff and everyone forgets they hear it each time.

.

Quite different from every other nation anywhere else on earth.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-04-27, 07:36:23


What a system that just repeats the same old stuff and everyone forgets they hear it each time.

Quite different from every other nation anywhere else on earth.

And certain posters who endlessly repeat themselves about corporate control, etc.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-04-27, 18:01:17
And it is corporate control whether you like it or not. Both the main parties are in their pockets and fine you know it! Other countries that are probably wider based have proper political party conferences and individuals speaking whereas over there it is all childish ballyhoo. If you were being frustratingly honest you would probably with a sigh accept that all you can do is go for the lesser of two evils. Other political corners don't get a look in and with so many millionaires on the Hill only proves my point. And on the matter of repeating I will do so again and remind you of President Eisenhower who warned the USA to be watchful of the rise of the corporates and he was a Republican! That was all those years ago.

Who is elected over there is important unfortunately as you rule the world and heaven help anyone who doesn't like the imperialism. In a system people and political leaders can be with a gap and when you consider the tens of thousands of lobby merchants on the Hill tells you something too.   I know you do not feel inclined to the glbal aspect of your nation but it is continually difficult for appraisal when it dabbles so much everywhere on some pretext of freedoms or some would-be principle. What normally follows is an invasion of big business (Afghanistan mess is the latest of a long line). I like Americans in general but the sysetm is something else.

Think after some appraising will not do a third visit but go for the day to Edinburgh to see the brand new tramwasy system along Princess Street...... :D
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-05-02, 12:18:16
...as you rule the world and heaven...
Quite the news, huh?
The latest photo of Jim: :angel: .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-02, 23:43:07
You are lucky to be so far away from him as he isn't into hero worship.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-05-03, 14:14:52

And it is corporate control whether you like it or not.


I grant the possibility, even the likelihood. What I'd like to know is what the outcome is. How does it affect my daily life? How is corporate power in the US different from corporate power in the UK?
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/04/corporate-britain-corrupt-lobbying-revolving-door (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/04/corporate-britain-corrupt-lobbying-revolving-door)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Banned Member [2] on 2014-05-03, 15:31:09
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/04/corporate-britain-corrupt-lobbying-revolving-door (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/04/corporate-britain-corrupt-lobbying-revolving-door)

1. What does "revolving door" mean/refer to in the context?
2. What is the "enforcer"?
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...grinned Jack Cunningham, Tony Blair's former "enforcer".
?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-03, 16:42:55
1. What does "revolving door" mean/refer to in the context?
2. What is the "enforcer"?

The article (or a dictionary) might provide hints.

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The cabinet secretary, Jeremy Heywood, is the living embodiment of the revolving door, having moved effortlessly from the Treasury to Blair's office to the investment bank Morgan Stanley and back to work for Cameron.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-04, 02:32:42
Doesn't matter which of the 2 money giant political machines win Wall Street will still control things there will be hundreds of military bases across the world no matter the increasing debt the poor will still be in tens of millions and the loyalty of the people misused by those who are the money barons. It has been a gradual process getting to this but at one time things were different. If ever a country and it's lyalty has been done in this is a great example. Sad.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-05-04, 06:25:32
Doesn't matter which of the 2 money giant political machines win Wall Street will still control things..........


Nope, it'll be up to people like my buddy Erik Prince, & the PMC's ........  my kinda guys. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/grin.gif)  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/guns4.gif)



The above is based on a 'game', but don't kid yourselves ... in reality it's a deadly serious attitude adjustment dealing out all the cards that will tip the balance of power.......

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-05-04, 10:03:52
It seems that RJHowie has run out of commas again. Here we are:
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-04, 19:07:54
JoshL you really do have a mawkish and rather kindergarten idea of America to be brutally frank.  You get so carried away with your daft love affair whilst ignoring the factual things that challenge your silliness. If you really looked at the political system it did at one time work to an extent but more and more over there are realising there is something flawed andnot right going on. So do try and be adult. There are things to commend the place on but as it tries to dominate the world you should take the dark glasses off.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: tt92 on 2014-05-04, 19:57:25
Josh and rj teaching us all about America.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-05-04, 20:33:45

Josh and rj teaching us all about America.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-05-06, 18:44:49

Josh and rj teaching us all about America.
Me learning.:rolleyes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-07, 17:31:43
No-one can effectively teach about the ex-colonies as there is such a proportion of nutjobs and a massive head shrinker market to keep them happy. Josh the last thing I would recommend for anyone is to admire or want to copy what passes for a political system over there. Many decent people of course but they have had their patriotism stolen by the 2 big party machines that keep others out the frame and hardly an icon of democracy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Banned Member [2] on 2014-05-08, 10:23:16
Josh the last
I hope so.
:king:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: string on 2014-05-08, 15:31:20
2016 drama: Hillary Clinton weighs in on gun control as Lewinsky emerges (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/17033183-2016-drama-hillary-clinton-weighs-in-on-gun-control-as-lewinsky-emerges)

Drama is in the eye of the beholder I suppose, but I wonder how this one will play out.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-05-08, 16:34:00
I suppose we do have one thing to be thankful for. The Rahmfather so far is content to rule Chicago and shows no presidential leanings, as far as we know. Not that I think he could win, by the end of the second Obama term I fancy we as a nation may be fed up with democrats from Chicago.

Think about it for a minute--- then do everything in your power to make sure it never happens: The Rahmulan Empire, stretching from sea to shining sea. That should keep you up at night, as good as any horror movie.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-05-08, 20:59:16
Can I vote? :)
Who are the candidates?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-08, 22:43:44
Look mjsmsprt40 don't send another to the White House or you will get a bad name.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-05-10, 08:39:11
Think about it for a minute--- then do everything in your power to make sure it never happens: The Rahmulan Empire, stretching from sea to shining sea. That should keep you up at night, as good as any horror movie.

Think about it for more than a minute and you'll come to the conclusion that whoever occupies the office will introduce bad news somewhere in the four years of his tenancy. A part of the bad news syndrome comes from the need of the media moguls to have something to comment on. There's a tendency to ascribe every outrageous thing that happens during president's tenure to that president. It matters not that the president may have not had a thing to do with the event. The fact that he's in office when the economy tanked, storms ravaged the nation and influenza killed thousands is enough.

You need proof?
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NEW CASTLE, N.H. (AP) -- Reaffirming his national political ambitions, Sen. Marco Rubio accused Democrats on Friday of threatening the American dream as he campaigned across New Hampshire, appearing in the first-in-the-nation presidential primary state for the first time in 18 months.


Damned Democrats!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-11, 17:59:20
Although the Tea Party lot are not so much in the news these days is it not a thought that they have still however been an influence on the Republican Party lot and shifted them even more to the right?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-05-27, 02:34:09

Although the Tea Party lot are not so much in the news these days is it not a thought that they have still however been an influence on the Republican Party lot and shifted them even more to the right?

The last stand of the Tea People will be in my home state next Tuesday.

You have Thad Cochran (R) who has been in the Senate since 1978, following James Eastland's retirement (he had been in office for over 40 years). He is a Senior Repub, with a great deal of influence and pull in the Senate. With MS being a welfare state to survive, he has brought in a great deal of money for the state.

On the other hands, you have The Great Waffler of Our Time, Chris McDaniel (T). While he shares a great many views that I do on certain issues, apparently it is lost on him that should this state cease to depend on federal dole money from other states (we receive $2.45 for every $1 we put in) that we would fold within 5-7 days, which would cause a panic and utter anarchy here. He does however have a few good points, to be fair to him.

Thad has stated this will be his last go-round, if re-elected. He is 78 years old. A McDaniel supporter who hosted a blog in full support of CM was recently arrested for taking pictures of Mr. Cochran's wife, who has to stay at a nursing home owing to a terrible case of dementia. I forget the charge, but it was something along the lines of "abuse of an invalid elder" or something.


Should McDaniel fail, the Tea People will have lost all relevance on the national stage. They retain some degree of pull in specific local politics, and that should stay, but nationally, the appear to be set to bow out should CM lose the primary.

On the other side of the aisle and in the actual election, Travis Childers (D) who represented my district from 2008-2011 before the state Repubs in charge gerrymandered the districts once again, will be running against whomever wins the afore-mentioned Conservative race as the Democratic challenger. He has been plagued by allegations that he is too liberal, which in this state is the equivalent to Satan worship. 

One wonders if the Civil War the two Conservatives have had for months now will affect the (D) versus (R) or (T) race? Certainly will be interesting regardless.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sparta on 2014-05-27, 15:36:04
how is exactly the Shape of republic of 'Merica ?

is   if the President is republican , the congress is democrat only -- vice versa .

or whoever the president , the Congress is republican +  Democrat ?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-05-27, 19:45:25

how is exactly the Shape of republic of 'Merica ?

is   if the President is republican , the congress is democrat only -- vice versa .

or whoever the president , the Congress is republican +  Democrat ?

1. Teetering on financial disaster, much like Europe and China, but on a more massive scale. The student loan bubble is due to burst at any time ($1.4 trillion and counting), the housing market is shite, because no one my age has the cash to buy a house, because many are paying off said student loans, and the economy is at a flatline.

2. The President and Congress are elected, so it's whatever we as a whole want. Last go 'round we wanted a Dem as a President, and a Democratic Senate, with a Repub House. Divided gov't at it's finest. I expect it to continue for some time, though the players and their parties will most likely change at some point. One could see Billary Clinton being elected President (D) with a (R) Congress.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-27, 19:53:36
A rather unfortunate political system has gradually taken hold which is doing little for the country the millions suffering, etc. If less was spent marching the globe more Americans could get more satisfaction instead of their loaylty being used or misused. The two parties have sewn up the system to the point of ludicracy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sparta on 2014-05-28, 09:01:41
 de democratisch idee of republic 'merica seems Well-played .

btw , if the President ,  representatives , and senators is elected .

then Who funds their campaign ?

they use their own money , the  partij , or the Government give $$$ to the partij for campaign ?

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-05-28, 11:00:05
they use their own money , the  partij , or the Government give $$$ to the partij for campaign ?

The parties use their own money; that is, contributions by private individuals and corporations.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sparta on 2014-05-28, 11:49:59
so ..

generally speaking , politics is for the rich .

and for   the People  is a must to pay their salaries ?






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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-29, 01:37:38
You actually have a point there Sparta and the vast amounts stuffed in by corporates is phenomenal. Over the deacdes the rich at the top were a wider contribute to tax than now. There will always be differences between countries but here 20% of tax income is from the richer and will be interesting to know what it is in the ex-colonies.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-05-29, 06:21:55
2016? Easy enough. The GOP candidates will ruthlessly attack each other in primaries to prove who's furthest to the Right (and thus more alienated from the mainstream voter.) Clinton will crush the last man standing under her heel like a cockroach in the general election.

Quote from: The Dawg
2. The President and Congress are elected, so it's whatever we as a whole want. Last go 'round we wanted a Dem as a President, and a Democratic Senate, with a Repub House. Divided gov't at it's finest. I expect it to continue for some time, though the players and their parties will most likely change at some point. One could see Billary Clinton being elected President (D) with a (R) Congress. 
As noted above, you're correct about Billary. But  both Houses being Republican? I'm not convinced. Republicans are already crowing about this year's election that hasn't happened yet, but there are a couple caveats 1) those seats are those the GOP can be expected to win anyway (the crowers evidently didn't read Nate Silver's full report...) 2) Never underestimate the GOP's predication for self destruction and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.* . I'm not making that prediction, just saying it that it's not outside the realm of possibility, especially given that Red states such as Virginia and Florida have been turning Blue or Purple and I dare say Nevada itself flipped Red to Blue while bypassing the Purple stage. No matter what happens in 2014, the GOP is dying a long and painful death as a true national party unless it changes its ways.

*For instance, Reid isn't popular and should have lost, but you should have seen Sharon Angle's ads. She made herself look more like a retard more than Reid and the liberal media could have ever hoped to. She's not alone among GOP candidates for doing this (remember "I'm not a witch..." ) and Santorum acting more like he was running for Pope then President, sealing his fate even in the looney GOP primary.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-05-29, 20:40:28

2016? Easy enough. The GOP candidates will ruthlessly attack each other in primaries to prove who's furthest to the Right (and thus more alienated from the mainstream voter.) Clinton will crush the last man standing under her heel like a cockroach in the general election.

Quote from: The Dawg
2. The President and Congress are elected, so it's whatever we as a whole want. Last go 'round we wanted a Dem as a President, and a Democratic Senate, with a Repub House. Divided gov't at it's finest. I expect it to continue for some time, though the players and their parties will most likely change at some point. One could see Billary Clinton being elected President (D) with a (R) Congress. 
As noted above, you're correct about Billary. But  both Houses being Republican? I'm not convinced. Republicans are already crowing about this year's election that hasn't happened yet, but there are a couple caveats 1) those seats are those the GOP can be expected to win anyway (the crowers evidently didn't read Nate Silver's full report...) 2) Never underestimate the GOP's predication for self destruction and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.* . I'm not making that prediction, just saying it that it's not outside the realm of possibility, especially given that Red states such as Virginia and Florida have been turning Blue or Purple and I dare say Nevada itself flipped Red to Blue while bypassing the Purple stage. No matter what happens in 2014, the GOP is dying a long and painful death as a true national party unless it changes its ways.

*For instance, Reid isn't popular and should have lost, but you should have seen Sharon Angle's ads. She made herself look more like a retard more than Reid and the liberal media could have ever hoped to. She's not alone among GOP candidates for doing this (remember "I'm not a witch..." ) and Santorum acting more like he was running for Pope then President, sealing his fate even in the looney GOP primary.

1. I'm not fully convinced either, just posted that for our friend from wherever he/she is from. :cheers:  The American Voter can sometimes be a strange creature.

2. Quite true that, about the Repubs snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

3. Interestingly enough, and I might be dead wrong, I think the Childers v. Cochran/McDaniels Senate race could be a toss-up. Yes, I said that. :left:  .......in the solidly Red state of Mississippi. Some of the older people I know, all of whom consistently vote, are thoroughly appalled by the Cochran/McDaniels savagery on the news, in the paper, on the radio, internet, etc. Never underestimate older people. @Jaybro.   :right:

4. In any case, owing to gerrymandering, I do feel confident in predicting that the HoR will remain Repub, though I expect Boehner to be given the pink slip. 

5. Good to see you posting again as well, 'Coon!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-30, 02:17:19
There are tens of millions over in the ex-colonies to whom neither of the 2 main parties are much use to them. What is it now, 40 plus million on food stamps. I would also guess the reason why many young Americans join youtr military is to get access to health and dental care rather than anything else. This all shows there is something deeply flawed in the system. In addition to that when I listened to that yak Obama telling army officer cadets how the world neds America to be in charge you could almost laugh at the stupidity, nonsense and arrogance. He thinks like all Presidents that they have to interfere and bless the world with the country's wonderful record on freedom, justice and freedom. Yeah we know how hypocritical that lot of stuff is. The country should in fact be spending more time helping tens of millions in it's borders, stop wanting to control the world and stop taking on anyone that doesn't agree with it. Trillions in debt and up to it;s ears in owing to Red China of all places! The world would have more respect for the nation if it stopped trying to give the impression it is Moses with the tablets. Even if a State wanted to secede they cannot?  Constant bickering over the constitution, the individual rights of people being trampled. Considering th greater majority of both Houses on the Hill are greatly rich small wonder there are so many poor people in America. The rich mostly only care for themselvesand their incomes have swelled massively while the ordinary bloke sees a different account.

Mostly nice people over there but an increasingly hotch-potch political system that needs drastic overhaul as well as less string pulling by the money barons.  You need a broader system and a great overhaul. There are many things that can be said to be fine but the political system is a shambles sadly. Tell you what. I will send over Alex Salmond to the Hill as he is at home with liars.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: ensbb3 on 2014-05-30, 04:10:38
Mostly nice people over there but an increasingly hotch-potch political system that needs drastic overhaul as well as less string pulling by the money barons.  You need a broader system and a great overhaul. There are many things that can be said to be fine but the political system is a shambles sadly.


An argument older than us both. Predates Pax Americana. The system has the ability to correct. A pessimistic view you have for sure. I doubt any system is free of the likes. Perhaps only that you're blind to the illusion at your own doorstep.  
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sparta on 2014-05-30, 09:38:00


let's try  to remove the politicians , the events , and selling partij label stuffs. 

    
i guess every country is almost same ,

the People pay the government salary ( in Taxes ) , so the government have $$$ to  Govern that country .

Afaik , unlike monarchy style where there are monarch and Government .

Republic - Democracy eliminated the Monarch , and just have the Government .

in theory seems promising ..

it will save some $$$ wasted to feed the Monarch .

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the election is just something like , Employee's recruitment per 5 year .

while you and the People of 'Merica is their boss .

since you are the one that  pay their salaries .

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-05-30, 10:15:52
Quote from: Dawg
3. Interestingly enough, and I might be dead wrong, I think the Childers v. Cochran/McDaniels Senate race could be a toss-up. Yes, I said that. :left:  .......in the solidly Red state of Mississippi. Some of the older people I know, all of whom consistently vote, are thoroughly appalled by the Cochran/McDaniels savagery on the news, in the paper, on the radio, internet, etc. Never underestimate older people
Yup. The Repubs are too nasty to each other for the good of the party. I still say the Republican Primary of 2008 could have brought us Obama. Anybody that stood a chance against him was savagely labeled a "Rino" and knocked out the race, including Romney v. 2008, so the GOP ended with an old man that didn't have the energy for it and the ditz from hell.

The dinosaurs where already in gradual decline do to natural climate change before the meteor hit. Will 2016 be the GOP's meteor? The political climate is changing and it will take but one catastrophic election be their extinction. It happened to their Whig predecessors.  
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: Sparta on 2014-05-30, 14:03:19
btw sang ,

is - lesser of two evils ,  valid and legitimate  if applied in election ?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-05-30, 23:11:22
No, you are being too relaxed ensbb3.

I say this because decades ago the 1% was not always factual and was in a two figure percentage. As their salaries have massively increased the amount of the average the same average people have seen their wages crawl. The fewere at the top the more control. Every Presidential Election over there we see all that ballyhoo Conference stuff. It isn't even a party conference but a jamboree. Many moons ago I previously said the 2 parties over there practiced a lessr of two evils matter but not now. Indeed the Democrats gave the Republicans a run for their money from corporates. When you also realise the vast numbers of corporate middle men floating around the Hill that says much too. At the same time the number of American poor has gradually risen. Some 40 million poor living on stamps. Millions frightened to go to doctors, rights trampled on using defence and security as daft excuses. Stupid money spent on military budgets on false premises and arrogance, What the world does outside of the USA borders is their business.

Other quite competent nations have more than 2 parties in their parliaments and please do not start quoting Italy or the daft ones.  Presidents come in with great stirring speeches about new directions, hope and all that. Everyone goes nearly tear struck then it all happens over again and again. Even allowing for different traditions their is an almost childish streak running through the place when it comes to political poting. With so much to do inside the country the politicians bodyswerve and want to rule the world even if they cripple the place financially. There are millions of decent and reasonable peole in America and I met many of them on two visits and one in particular whom I still have a high regard for and he is utterly frustrated at the political show. The decent have had their loyalty and hope used by the money barons for their own damn ends and still getting away with it because the big 2 parties have carved things up to make it difficult to get a place. For those who live elsewhere in a proper wider parliamentary system it is a sigh to look at what has happened to the US system. It is NOT functioning for the people or the will of them or anything like it. Voting for the big two is now a waste of time walking to a polling station and what the nation needs is a revolution. Obama has turned out no better than the one before him that the would-be intellectuals snuffed at. He has lied and done more damage than GW did . What may have worked at one time has been stolen and the dispossessed  are increasing.

Any change will not be soon as there is a deep rooted matter to challenge and eradicate then all those decent people may value more what their constitution promised but has been stolen from them.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: tt92 on 2014-05-30, 23:54:37

btw sang ,

is - lesser of two evils ,  valid and legitimate  if applied in election ?

Universally.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-11-08, 20:57:36
What is your take on the New Look Congress, why did the elections turn out the way they did, & what do you see as the next move from both Obama & the demonrats, & from the other guys (everyone else)?



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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-11-09, 00:05:14
Lester A. Tweevls for President, Batson D. Belfry for Vice President. What can go wrong?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-11-11, 07:09:08
Well, I was going to post this elsewhere, but decided on here because I think it will affect the 2016 Election in some way.

It's an obvious admission how much the democrat Party holds American's in complete contempt.

They now openly admit ... plainly ... that they thought the American People were so stupid, that for their own good, they needed to be lied to, in order to get ObamaCare passed.

From the President all the way down the line, members of the Administration now admit -- actually they brag -- that they needed to lie to the American people, deceive them for their own good, otherwise they wouldn't have been able to pass Obamacare -- which, in retrospect, was perfectly OK, & made perfect sense ------- to the Administration.





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Meet Jonathan Gruber, a professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare.


Quote from:      TOWNHALL Magazine   http://bit.ly/1EnPTq9    

During a panel event last year about how the legislation passed, turning over a sixth of the U.S. economy to the government, Gruber admitted that the Obama administration went through "tortuous" measures to keep the facts about the legislation from the American people, including covering up the redistribution of wealth from the healthy to the sick in the legislation that Obamacare is in fact a tax.

The video of his comments just recently surfaced ahead of the second open enrollment period for Obamacare at Healthcare.gov.

"You can't do it political, you just literally cannot do it. Transparent financing and also transparent spending. I mean, this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes the bill dies. Okay? So it's written to do that," Gruber said. "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass .............. "     CONTINUED HERE (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605)








Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2014-11-11, 08:27:31
the most dangerous liar are those that think speak the truth .

IMHO just speak about axioms
since the truth can be obtained by collecting Axioms .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2014-11-11, 13:29:32
That 'admission' reads to me as an observation that it is impossible to to pass legislation through House and Senate that is sane, simple, and sensible. In principle the legislature should improve proposed new laws in the process, practice may be much more horrible.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-11, 16:22:23
That 'admission' reads to me as an observation that it is impossible to to pass legislation through House and Senate that is sane, simple, and sensible. In principle the legislature should improve proposed new laws in the process, practice may be much more horrible.

Stunning admission that insurance works the way it always has. While you're healthy you pay, when you're sick you get the money. Just because you're healthy today doesn't mean you won't be dying tomorrow from a car accident, a previously undetected heart condition, you contract a deadly disease, etc. The real problem with that clip is that Megyn Kelly is not a stupid person. She knows how insurance works, but is pretending to all upset upset by this. Who's lying now? Maybe Fox viewers really are so stupid they don't know that money taken from their paycheck for insurance (with Obamacare or pre-Obamacare) is actually going to pay for somebody else's treatment, until it's their turn to be in the hospital? The insurance premiums go in the companies revenue for it's profit or to be paid on a claim and the business's other expenses. It has never been like the money just goes into your account only to be paid to you.

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2014-11-11, 20:22:23
Since when has insurance been mandatory, Sang? Oh, wait... I can remember many instances. I'm sure you can too. But medical insurance hadn't become so (in the United States) until Obamacare...
What does the government do when coercion fails?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-11-11, 22:27:25
Americans too stupid for truth, says some Gruber guy. Is he American?
I suppose so... Europeans are a little bit more diplomat.

:lol:
Only at DnD one can find such gems.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-12, 03:43:08
It's no secret that i have little regard for what passes as a political system in the ex-colonies. The 2 main parties that have the thing carved up do not have party conferences like any normal country and instead have children style rallies that are as much use as trying to get me to live in the country. It is money that controls it and there is no limit on spending and some of the tv ads you see are not only intelligence insulting but disgraceful. but there is a kind of elementary attitude over there instead of being adult. With an army of corporate people with agents on the hill anything goes. It is a rich man club and it is no surprise that the recent election got a turnout of only around 37%. Great advert for a supposedly democratic country (giggle!).

The Republicans for a change were very adapt at trying to contain big mouther idiots and went to get their vote out whilst the Democrats struggled due to the way things are. Indeed in polls the vast majority who participate indicate a very low regard and respect for their barons on the 'Hill.  It is not surprising that the intelligent people are fed up with the system and way things are run. Every time there is a Presidential race the same guff comes out of a new vision for America and a new way of doing things. Doesn't matter what the label is both do the same. The end result is that nothing encouraging happens and unlike yesteryear when the country may well have had some inspirations and a more obvious future this is no longer the case. People then forget that guff and when the next race comes along out comes the same rubbish. Talk about ground hog day. You can't but feel sorry for the bright citizenry. The country spends far too much on the military and not enough on  it's own people. The increasing indifference to the electorate is compounded by the level of debt along with the equally high level of poverty and wages stagnating whilst the money barons increase their gap.

Time to have another war to distract the population but even that is wearing thin nowadays! So the Republicans were clever this time for a change but until the Obama farce runs out there will be a dead in the water matter between the Reps and White House. Doesn't matter who wins the next Presidential because for tens of millions of Americans they will still be suffering.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-13, 05:15:37
Since when has insurance been mandatory, Sang? Oh, wait... I can remember many instances. I'm sure you can too. But medical insurance hadn't become so (in the United States) until Obamacare...

The ACA's legality was already decided by the SCOTUS. Oh, you wanted me to answer directly in order to take control of the conversation, even though it should have simply been a rhetorical one, huh? What we're discussing is this "admission." All he admitted to was already known by the commonsense having community. You sign up for insurance either through the portal or through your job or just contact the insurance company directly. After that insurance works the same way it always has. The irony is that Fox is treating their viewers like idiots. That guy talks about the comic book as if that was the only way the law presented to the American people.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2014-11-13, 06:08:04
The [Americans aren't as poor or as ignorant as us True Scotsmen, so they're deficient!]

RJ, you're a card! A joker, of course; but that's still a card, isn't it? The "bright citizenry" is on your side! They'd prefer socialism over here, too...

All he admitted to was already known by the commonsense having community.
No: He admitted that "the powers that be" back then decided that the American electorate was too stupid to understand the great gift that the PPACA legislation was offering them; so, they couldn't be told the details! (And, of course, the bill needed to be passed -- before we could find out what was in it!)
How is my version of his thrice-repeated comment wrong?

Let me put it another way, using your lingo: The not-having community is supposed to feel empowered, by being made more numerous; thereby better positioned to secure political prowess?
Why not just say ¡Viva la Revolución!...? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-13, 08:21:10
Rewatch around 4:50. Watch around 5:30 Megyn is getting upset about the what's the very nature of health insurance. She's full on pissed off about by 6:00. This what I find so astounding about the video. You pass a law saying people need to have insurance. Let's switch it to car insurance for a second. I believe all state require car insurance. So you pay your premium and it simply becomes part of the company's revenue. The SCOTUS did rule that the the penalty for not having insurance is a tax, so that part of selling it to the people was not correct. That much is obvious. I'm just having trouble stopping shaking my head over the umbrage over insurance being the same way it always has (in that particular aspect) as it always has.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2014-11-13, 09:04:18
I believe all state require car insurance
You believe a lot of things that aren't true... Your point needs other argument.
In particular: Why does the federal government get to tell people to buy medical insurance?

I can understand why states require auto insurance; specially when they've enacted "no fault" statutes. (I don't like it, mind you. But I understand it. Sort-of like you understand why you couldn't buy booze at 11 a.m. on Sundays in some jurisdictions... :) [I've never caused nor been involved in an auto accident... But I've only been driving for 40 years; there's surely something I need to be charged with...I mean, I must be guilty of something!]) Sang, you seem to like bureaucrats -- to the exclusion of the common man!
You should write an essay explaining how you and K. are soul-mates; and why I am someone who should be sent to the Gulag. (Okay. I've mixed meta-fascist metaphors, and asked you to think. I apologize. Noone should ask so much of you!) I'm sure you can do it: Words are what you spew, amongst your spittle... And you've been taught that whatever nonsense you pen or pronounce is worthy of consideration.

Why are corporations to be excluded from 1st Amendment rights?

Why can't I require you to subsidize my penchant for right-wing rhetoric?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-13, 10:50:24
No. I'm asking you to think. What has really changed about health insurance. Now you have the option of signing up for it through your state's portal instead of your workplace, if you like. The "open enrollment" period for getting it seems to be thing of the past. The inflation for health care costs are half of what it previously was
Why can't I require you to subsidize my penchant for right-wing rhetoric?

Because your right-wing rhetoric is not bankrupting the country. Why do you think Republicans drafted the core of Obamacare in the first place? They complain of entitlements, but enacting their method for reducing their growth is socialist only because Obama happened to the president that put it into action. It was hilarious when right-wingers tried to get senior citizen's vote by claiming the ACA would take money from Medicare, when that was their goal for decades.  Do you get it now? This whole opposition to the ACA is partisan bullshit. Where are the "death panels?" Obama is not the only one that's been lying.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-17, 22:10:08
Doesn't matter who wins there will still be a great rillions of debt. armies everywhere with hudreds of cripping cost, tens of millions of poor Americans, fighting for rights and so on. Earlier jimbro got his expected dig about me going o about corporates. but the truth is the country is not a proper democracy at all and it is the corporates who run the damn place. Elections are with exceptions a facre. So many millionaires on the Hill, tnes of thousands of full-time people from corroborates to fund and influence. Independents outside of the 2 farces - Democrat and Republican have no chance due to the unlimited expenses now allowed.  It is okay for ex-colonists here to sigh at my corporate stance but then they tend to be reasonable comfortable so not as effected as too many others. Now the hype about another Presidential not due to 2016. And all that childish and immature. ballyhoo that goes along with the carnival. Any link with proper politics is almost an accident. It is like people going to the circus to forget reality in lives. :devil:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2014-11-18, 00:55:46
OakdaleFTL said, "Why can't I require you to subsidize my penchant for right-wing rhetoric?" Because your right-wing rhetoric is not bankrupting the country.
As usual, you've Freudian-slipped, and fell on your keister! :)
Of course, you meant what you said; the logic is inescapable! But you don't like it...
You're a narcissist and a nihilist, Sang... If you weren't also a Fascist, I wouldn't mind so much.
BTW: Keep trying to justify fMRI studies, as explicatory of political rhetoric... Such is your brain, on drugs.

@RJ: You remind me of a short-short SF story, where a guy was given one wish by a computer genie! He asked for "Peas on Earth!" He got it... Of course, nobody that's learned to type would make such a mistake.
You're Split-Green gobble-de-gook Scots Socialism soup may suit you. But why, goy-o, would you think it'd suit a more robust clan?
(I was going to say "boy-o" but reconsidered: Who do you hate more -or at least as much as- than the RCs? That's right: The Jews! When the Caliphate takes control of your "democratic" isthmus, you'll be long-gone. Will you have left anyone behind to carry on?
Or is your bile sufficient justification for you?)

What's coming up in 2016 is going to be -- interesting! (Your "tamed" people needn't be concerned: They haven't mattered for hundreds of years!) But -to your delight- it's quite possible that America will veer even further towards democracy...
I hope that doesn't happen.

(Not because people are stupid or because their "will" will be subverted by "corporate" interests; and not because moneyed interests might prevail -- or those of the "ruling elite"... But because the power of persuasion will come under the control of the government!)

Government is a necessary evil...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-19, 01:53:53
The otcome of the Presidential Election (already boring ex-colonists bright sparks) will not make a lot of difference. There will still be tens of millions of poor and millions lost homes, imperial military spending and so on. I bet the really bright Americans (they exist) will be shaking their heads at the long off election carnival.  :zzz:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-22, 16:40:29
As usual, you've Freudian-slipped, and fell on your keister!  :)

Did you seriously not understand? Unlike your right-wing rhetoric,  spiraling healthcare costs were threatening to bankrupt the country through Medicare/Medicaid, taxpayers having to pay for the medical costs of the uninsured - making the argument that through the ACA you're paying someone's medical bill all the more ironic since the geniuses at the GOP probably really don't understand they already are, etc Our discussion would be so much better if your read for understanding instead of trying to find a strawman in posts.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2014-11-22, 22:34:42
spiraling healthcare costs were threatening to bankrupt the country through Medicare/Medicaid, taxpayers having to pay for the medical costs of the uninsured

You actually believe that?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-23, 04:15:56
The country could be bankrupted through the medical situation/ Duh.

The same nation spends half the world's armaments bill so that is more likely to bankrupt and it is totally un-necessary if you stopped poking into other countries. Looking after your own people and their health is far, far, more important than imperial mess ups. Surely the health of so many who are struggling is more of a principled stance after all there are millions who cannot even use the new care thing.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-23, 17:32:55
The country could be bankrupted through the medical situation/ Duh.

That's why the Heritage Foundation, a conservative thinktank, came up with the guts of the ACA in the first place.  In fact, the Republicans have been warning for years that the medical entitlements would, if not bankrupt the country, drive the deficit through the ceiling; especially with millions of aging babyboomers that will need healthcare at an increasing rate.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-24, 05:31:29
And Sanguinemoon why spend so much on military? Surely the day to day health of the people is more important. Even more so with tens of millions of poor who are not getting much basically out of life. Here every single political party is 100% behind our National Health Service and they might argue over points but not one wants to see it go no matter what.  I am aware of the much different tradition over the water (if not all the details) bu here  I am glad that one can go to get help and not be worried that an insurance system has some small print that stops you getting what might be needed. It is too much of a gamble and cannot help but feel for the less well off in your country and is a shame. Many here feel that you have a system that is rather selective and is a pity for so many folk.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2014-11-24, 06:02:53
What a tragedy . The U.S.A. hasn't got its own rj to set everything right.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-24, 08:59:18
Let's bring him over and amend the constitution so we can install him as President
Surely the day to day health of the people is more important. Even more so with tens of millions of poor who are not getting much basically out of life.

A basic problem with ACA is that doesn't directly address the causes of America's healthcare costs. A recent  CBO report shows "Obamacare" will cost less than expected and even the earlier, higher estimate showed substantial savings over leaving things they were. So that's good news. The bad news is will well above any other advanced country and even insured people can be bankrupted by falling ill. Yup, healthcare will be an even larger political issue in campaigns to come, both from the financial prospective and the moral one.  (http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/45231-ACA_Estimates.pdf)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-11-24, 18:02:23

What a tragedy . The U.S.A. hasn't got its own rj to set everything right.
Wrong. We do. It's in Texas. It's Republican. It's Gov. Rick Perry.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-11-25, 00:34:35


What a tragedy . The U.S.A. hasn't got its own rj to set everything right.
Wrong. We do. It's in Texas. It's Republican. It's Gov. Rick Perry.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.star-telegram.com%2F.a%2F6a00d8341c2cc953ef019104244a22970c-120wi&hash=79c888c2d37ce1310fe9f9fd64c8817b" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://blogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a00d8341c2cc953ef019104244a22970c-120wi)


Wrong tt92. Wrong Jaybro. We do. It's in New York. It's Demonrat. Its Hillary "What difference does it make" Rottham-Clinton.

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                         Hillary Lied  --  They Died.


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-25, 01:04:22
Well you lot could do with me over over there. Amusing for jimbro to equate me with one of those rightist Republican nightmares but we in GB have absolutely nothing like that corner and being more democratic very thankful for that. They would get nowhere hear. With every political party in the UK 100% our system says something about care and concern and not money or trying to find a job with insurance built in. For a change the place would be run for the people - all of the people not just the money barons so dear muckers your loss! Having been in the public eye, leadership, strong and a public speaker knowing how easy it is to wow ex-colonists it would be a new revolution without all the failed stuff in the 18th century!  :yes: :hat:

Can I say Sanguinemoon, it is good to here that health issue nicknamed "Obamacare" is less expensive than being aired yet what about the working class below those who can pay for that care? Not everyone can get a job with health thrown in and we are fortunate not to have that to mess with. So what do those at the bottom with low paid jobs, etc do? I have mentioned before teams of doctors (and dentists) who have toured about America offering free measurement and they are overwhelmed. Even allowing for any misuse what do the bottom folk do - a charity hospital if found - get worse or just die? It seems they are not included in the general picture and your health area must be one of the most expensive in the world.  Those outside of the rich or those middle-class people who can afford Obamacare but the picture being missed are the unfortunates in their droves?  :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2014-11-25, 05:03:32

Let's bring him over and amend the constitution so we can install him as President

Nah, just make him Czar of Whacking Congress Critters over the Head (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_at_Arms_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives). Plenty of empty skulls there, lots of work for him. With enough whacking they might actually get something done.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-25, 07:13:18
So what do those at the bottom with low paid jobs, etc do?

What happens to them is they have to go to the Emergency Room for ailments and injuries can and should be treated at a clinic. The ER at least has to stabilize your condition and can't turn you away. This, of course, is another factor that drives up the healthcare costs in America. Those people you mentioned often can't pay for that ER visit, so the taxpayers do a couple different ways: The hospital has to adjust their prices upward to compensate for the unpaid bills (and thus insurance prices follow suit) if it's a private hospital or the hospital is run by the state, the cost is paid for through tax money. The more the GOP tried to avoid having to pay other people's medical bills by eliminating "Obamacare", the more they cause the very thing they try to avoid to happen.

You touched on low-income people can be expected to pay for the mandated insurance. What the ACA does is grant subsidies to low-income people to pay for the insurance in the hopes they can see a clinic that will charge a couple hundred dollars to treat the illness/injury instead of a couple thousand and thus not a much cost will be passed on to other people. The GOP think small and say "I don't want to MY tax dollars to subsidize somebody else's insurance! :irked: " They're too blind to se they're already are. I can't stress this enough, the pre-Obama GOP already understood this. Amazing how it suddenly became "socialist" and wrong the second Obama was sworn in. :p
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-11-25, 07:21:36
Nah, just make him Czar of Whacking Congress Critters over the Head (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergeant_at_Arms_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives). Plenty of empty skulls there, lots of work for him. With enough whacking they might actually get something done.

At least he arrange them in order of skull thickness and make a kind of GOP Empty Skull xylophone. If he uploads it to Youtube, his views can be the billions as he plays Flower of Scotland . If he takes the show on the road for world-wide tour, his profits could be eight or nine figures. For the American leg of the show, he'll want to use a Las Vegas agency, obviously.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-26, 10:45:22
Nice try jimbro but we are  almost children at the game.  A completely diffeernt political system and as for the Guardian that loss-making lefty paper will of course follow the Labour Party mind. Here tv ads for politics are strictly controlled and only prior to important elections. Every party even at local town councils is strictly limited as is the content plus what it can spend on a candidate. Everything must be submitted to the authorities. The power of the lobbyist is about but it is certainly not at the level of what goes on in your hill with tens of thousands of them. One can understand your need to defend but we are amateurs compared to your country. Unlimited cash flows by the rich and big business. Constant  wars so that the military hardware industry will make profits. Even the Democrats when Obama first stood got massive corporate money. Health is big money profits whereas here all are looked after no matter the circumstances. In your recent national elections just think what the vote was for regarding so-called representatives of the people. When individually comfortable it is so easy just to ignore the real truth behind the scenes. The rich here pay a very big percentage of the government income but don't try and tell me it is the same in the land of the people.

There is much to be complimentary of but trying to say everyone else is the same or actually indirectly as bad is a joke! ( :devil:)  Because of the power of the Wall Street barons nationally people are becoming less and less inclined to vote because they know the political system was hi-jacked a while ago. I do feel it is sad because the people are basically decent but a two-party system that is controlled by Wall Street has failed but the people unable to do anything about it.  ???
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-11-26, 14:03:48
Rj, please put a space between the : and the word "be". PLEASE!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-11-27, 22:28:01
 :blush:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2014-12-29, 04:44:09
 :bye:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-12-29, 09:05:35
Double  :bye: and :rip:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2014-12-29, 19:29:25
Doubtless  :rip: to return the third day.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-12-30, 01:56:08
Maybe Americans should get the chance to vote for the corporates as they effectively run the place not the would-be politicians. Hhhm, maybe on second thoughts that would only confuse the situation as they are both in the same camp. A President approval rate of 40% and barely 50% voting, oh dear.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-12-30, 04:01:16
Anyone else on here think Mr. Howie lives in a detached house?  :eek:  :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-12-30, 09:51:10
A President approval rate of 40% and barely 50% voting, oh dear.

I actually wonder if it's possible for a president to maintain much about, say, 50% these days. The biased media will bad mouth the sitting President regardless of what's happening. For example, I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-12-30, 23:35:11
I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.


Witnessing, along with us all   would probably better specifically define his place in the present economic picture.

Our American Economy has a heartbeat all it's own, & will virtually rise & fall as it pleases.(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/nono007.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2014-12-31, 01:36:04

I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.


Witnessing, along with us all   would probably better specifically define his place in the present economic picture.

Our American Economy has a heartbeat all it's own, & will virtually rise & fall as it pleases.(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/nono007.gif)

My party presides over the good times and your party over the bad.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-12-31, 02:27:33

I wonder how much Fox reports that Obama is presiding over the fastest growing economy in more than a decade.


Witnessing, along with us all   would probably better specifically define his place in the present economic picture.

Our American Economy has a heartbeat all it's own, & will virtually rise ( when we go to war and the MIC benefits from it) & falls (when we let Wall St. play casino with our retirement funds) as it pleases.(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/nono007.gif)

FTFY
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-12-31, 04:06:47
Well we will have to wait and see about that economic growth and Colonel Rebel has a point of wars boosting the economy the wrong way. Itwould be a much better dependable growth if the military was scaled back and heavily and people who are suffering at home or cannot afford the doctor would be greatly aided. O just cannot fathom where the common sense is sticking a neb into lots of other countries thus increasing the trillions in debt. Petrol is a strong part of the financial situation but the latest news from the US is that the oil industry is in a dodgy way due to world prices etc and thousands of oil workers can expect to be laid off. Why can't more of you see that instead of trying to run and influence the world and start wars and leave a mess that the country would be far better off withdrawing such and get back to helping it's own people instead.  My understanding is that Obama's bandwagon got more corporate backing than the Republicans and that is a surprise whilst showing the political system is flawed, losing support and a wider choice needed than the 2 parties stuck with.

I do recall some time ago our Southern associate supporting an alternative man who was I would say a bit of fresh air. That Obama's regime couldn't encourage more than the 50 odd percent is a reminder of the decline. Of course it is optimistic to look for growth but the trouble is that very often it doesn't always effect the peole it should. In conclusion I would add that the political set-up no longer serves that constituency referred to in that constitution - namely the people.....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-01, 04:16:13
My party presides over the good times and your party over the bad.

To some extent, the Democratic party does. Clinton, longest economic expansion in history and budget surplus. Bush policies such as deregulating financial instruments that had been outlawed because they helped lead to the Great Depression - the Great Recession and turning the surplus into deficit.  Kansas, under radical supply-side policies is bleeding red ink with middling job growth at best. California, balanced budget and strong economic growth. Republicans have been become the economic illiterates under Supply Side, but Keynesian economics says to adjust your policies to the current conditions (unlike the Fox News version which says it's big government and high taxes; despite the fact Keynes himself warned against it. GOPers somehow confuse economic pragmatism with socialism, being retards in the field.

That also serves to answer Smiley's objection.There are certain things government can do, both by over-regulating and deregulating that can cripple the economy. "A heartbeat of its own" sounds good, but it's not entirely true in the US or any other advanced economy. The heart requires a working brain to function.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-03, 02:51:37
A shitstorm may be brewing. David Duke  David Duke  (http://fusion.net/story/36233/steve-scalise-david-duke-euro/) , former KKK leader and Louisiana representative, has threatened to expose other politicians with ties to him. But let's backtrack for just a second. The House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-Louisiana) spoke before the white supremacist hate group European-American Unity and Rights Organization. So now he's feeling the pain for it. Duke's threat is in response to the fallout for Scalise.

Unless Duke is bluffing, nobody on his list will elected to even be the dog catcher. It's also interesting that former Klan leader is so quick to fend Scalise, so quick that it gives credibility to to the allegations that he's indeed a racist and white supremacist.   Scalise claims he didn't know what  EURO is, but how can you not? It take Google and 30 seconds to find out. Even if the charges are false, he still shouldn't be reelected do his incompetence if can't find out.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-03, 06:50:25
I see a third bush is contemplating the election. Of course basically it is a situation free to use but there have been more than one family acting in a hereditary way which seems odd when looking in to a non-patrician system.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-03, 17:15:17
Because it's unique to America to have political families, right? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-03, 17:46:37
With any luck, maybe we'll avoid both Bushes and Clintons for awhile. For sure, nothing will make me vote third-party faster than a Bush Republican nominee and a Clinton Democrat nominee in 2016.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-04, 02:18:19
No Sanguinemoon I don't reason that is a reasonable answer in a country that sniffs at hereditary functions elsewhere in the world. It leans perhaps towards an excuse for the contradiction and I think there does need to be an overhaul of the  political process as it does seem to be losing an awful lot of interest from the people in general. Maybe there is a need for something wider than the cobble up of Democrats and Republicans and the shoving of anyone else out the way. Big money actually talks to the Dems as well as the Reps whilst the people sighand say away from the ballot box.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-04, 02:26:15
Bernie Sanders is thinking about running. Then at least the right-wingers would have an actual left-winger to freak out about :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-01-04, 19:56:54
The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
A clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone after a clone...
What a patience my God...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-05, 01:14:55
Then at least the right-wingers would have an actual left-winger to freak out about

Crap. Now they won't know what to do with themselves. Imagine if he managed to win :insane: Now they won't be able to call someone a communist, socialist for implementing their own ideas. What will they do with themselves?
I don't reason that is a reasonable answer in a country that sniffs at hereditary functions elsewhere in the world.

It's not the country that's doing this. It's one man and there's no guarantee Jeb will even win the Republican nomination, must less the presidency. I'd give at about four to one odds against, with his fifteen minutes of fame being over. But you don't care. It's just another chance to throw a cheap jab at America. 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-05, 01:32:11
I'm thinking that Americans have had enough of both the Bushes and the Clintons for awhile. It's not terribly likely that either will win their respective party nominations--- though Hillary does stand a somewhat better chance than Jeb does.

There's other, better choices in both parties-- how about we the people choose better during the primaries, then in the general election we can choose between two viable candidates. OK, just a thought....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-05, 02:10:18

Then at least the right-wingers would have an actual left-winger to freak out about

Crap. Now they won't know what to do with themselves. Imagine if he managed to win :insane: Now they won't be able to call someone a communist, socialist for implementing their own ideas. What will they do with themselves?

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-05, 02:14:03

I'm thinking that Americans have had enough of both the Bushes and the Clintons for awhile. It's not terribly likely that either will win their respective party nominations--- though Hillary does stand a somewhat better chance than Jeb does.

Compared to the freak show of the last two elections he looks almost sane, so, not going to happen.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-05, 03:15:52
I'm thinking that Americans have had enough of both the Bushes and the Clintons for awhile.

Yup. In his myoptic Anti-Americanism and his zeal to call Americans hypocritical, Howie doesn't understand that being a Bush is liable to work against Jeb rather than for him.
Compared to the freak show of the last two elections he looks almost sane, so, not going to happen.

George himself is the picture of sanity compared to the rest of the GOP clowncar. Did you hear Huckabee is quiting Fox News for his run. Seriously? Do the Republicans secretly want a Democratic president? It's possible, since they do a much better job at bitching about the "socialist" Democrat than actually providing policy; their states were bleeding red ink and the economy was in toilet so they focused on trying to kill Planned Parenthood and stopping gay marriage like the assclowns that they are.

It seems a little of topic, but look what happened in here in Las Vegas.

(http://www.logcabin.org/pressrelease/lcr-nevada-president-appointed-vice-chairman-of-clark-county-republican-party-2/)
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Las Vegas, NV & Washington, D.C. -- Log Cabin Republicans of Nevada President Ed Williams has been appointed Vice Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party. Clark County, anchored by Las Vegas, is the largest county in Nevada, exceeding the combined population of all other counties in the state.

"Ed brings the modern business management, IT and communications skills the Clark County party needs to beat Senator Harry Reid in 2016," Clark County Republican Party Chairman David McKeon said. "He wholeheartedly supports our goals of winning elections, winning majorities and keeping Nevada red. I respect the leadership he brings to the party and glad he is part of the team."
Here's glimmer of hope for the GOP. It's some of the Western Republicans that actually stopped giving a shit about people's sexual orientation and get on the business building solid economic policy. The article's inaccuracy is calling Nevada "Red." Because of the Las Vegas area (~2/3 population of the whole state) and Reno (most of the rest) Nevada has flipped to at least a Bluish Shade of Purple.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-05, 04:07:32
You two, mjmspsrt40 and Sang need to get out more for fresh air! It is not the "man himself" stuff it is part of the system. There has been a list of such patrician families over the decades as well you know it so the system goes along with it as they get elected. You don't have to create a would-be confidence thing by gubbing out the anti-stuff as it is your own country that does so much in complete difference from the things it boasts it stands for. None of my list elsewhere was attended to simply because they are all happenings but you near tear flag wavers conjure up rather than face up!  :lol:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-05, 06:48:44
What you have us do, Howie? Ban someone from running because a relative was already president or something equally preposterous? Jeb has every right to run and so does Hillary. Likewise, the people have the right to tell them to get stuffed.

The only growing "party" in America is "Independent" , according to Gallup  (http://www.gallup.com/poll/166763/record-high-americans-identify-independents.aspx)

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If people are less likely to vote according to party, they're sure the hell not going to let someone slide into office because of family name. So it seems this "problem" has worked itself out.

While you might legitimately be unaware of this trend of Americans to reject the parties, what I see is you inventing another reason to bash America.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-01-05, 09:00:24
Bashed by a limp lettuce.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-05, 10:39:09
It's like if somebody eats said limp lettuce and farts. You can't get the smell out of the room.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-07, 04:49:39
Independent there really means sod all as it is a corner not a party. I recall Colonel Rebel once indicating his view on a Third party candidate Ron Paul? Trouble is that the system is so fixed against people outside the big two people are sick of things and remember just over 50% bothered to vote in the national election. One cannot help but feel sorry for the carve up as the "people" are being conned. Excuses are made for these patrician families that are a contradiction to the actual system that it is claimed to be. It is all very well to sniff at hereditary rule but I am afraid you have your own aristocracy without the coronets. In the end it is a wider sense of democracy and folk are not getting it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-01-07, 22:49:41
Independent there really means sod all as it is a corner not a party. I


Yes I agree, especially if you believe party affiliation means everything as it does in most Parliamentary Political Systems.

But we're different here.

Here, in the USA it means far less, & now that Independents are growing in leaps & bounds, the 2 party stalwarts are being forced to take less & less for granted.

These voters, many who have dropped the Democrat & Republican Brands, are simply saying they won't be taken for granted by anybody anymore, & are demanding particular attention from potential candidates.

The newer registering voters are saying precisely the same thing.

Where these Independent Registered voters will vote is becoming more & more a crap-shoot, & the term "Party Faithfull" is meaning so much less.

The Tea Party, which isn't a party at all but a mindset, has been pushing for existing voters to change their Party affiliations to Independent, & new voters to ignore the traditional Democrat & Republican Brands, & register Independent.

The Tea Party, who everyone says is dead because they don't protest & march like days of old, & have become almost invisible, has been extremely active & successful, & will continue being successful in driving voters to Independent registrations.


(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FWW8WNF7.jpg&hash=5094c5342745e95b23c601ad45f62da3" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://imgur.com/WW8WNF7.jpg)

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source (http://bit.ly/143gz3U)





Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-08, 00:46:04
I can think of nothing more suicidal for the two-party system here than to present us with a Bush on the Republican ticket and a Clinton on the Democratic ticket in 2016. One or the other of them just might win-- but it'll demolish the lock the two major parties have had on American politics. 2020 will look like a circus if the two majors parties don't do better than that in 2016.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-01-08, 02:53:18

I can think of nothing more suicidal for the two-party system here than to present us with a Bush on the Republican ticket and a Clinton on the Democratic ticket in 2016. One or the other of them just might win-- but it'll demolish the lock the two major parties have had on American politics. 2020 will look like a circus if the two majors parties don't do better than that in 2016.


It can happen.

But, it won't happen until the American People demand other alternatives via their vote.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-09, 05:37:29
Well Smiley how many "Independents" outside of the big two are on the Hill?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-09, 13:00:52
Two!

Smiley's numbers mean very little, since there's no place for the "independents" to go other than the Democrat party.
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On a more positive note, "Sue Ann Arnall, the ex-wife of Oklahoma oil magnate Harold Hamm, has deposited a handwritten $975 million divorce check."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-01-10, 02:19:59
On a more positive note, "Sue Ann Arnall, the ex-wife of Oklahoma oil magnate Harold Hamm, has deposited a handwritten $975 million divorce check."


Though I never met his wife, I met Mr. Hamm a number of times about 15-17 years ago.

He engaged some of our services to provide his personal security staff some tactical training.

Might I say, he was very well protected back then, as I'm sure he probably still is today, & we weren't disappointed in our very generous compensation package either.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-10, 03:34:05
Just as jimbro had to point out that "independents" have to be in the big two so does not solve the issue. In recent times a doctor here was very unhappy about local health issues and thought the major parties were not doing enough so stood as an completely independent candidate totalyl away from any party and won the seat. The same happened with a journalist who unseated a long standing MP.

What is really needed is a truly wider system instead of one where many people just have to vote for the lesser of two evils kind of thing. After all when you see how much the Democrats got in funding compared to the Republicans it only conforms my concern. We have a legal limity on MP elections and every other lower ones as well. When it comes to a national election all parties with over a certain number of candidates are give an 5 minute free slot and must be above board.  There may well have been a time when you could have got away with the 2 parties but they are monolith now and increasingly distancing from much of the electorate and as i pointed out the slump is great and not very good is it?  Trying to be an independent mind on the Hill inside a party is difficult at the best of times and has all sorts of problems. It is just a pity you do not have a wider political system because the staying away from elections is showing a deep problem.

I only wish there would be a change and a more concerned and passionate concern for local internal u=issues and a much wider franchise than sadly stuck with.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-11, 02:16:06
From the you can't be serious category, Romney  (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/romney-and-bush-ready-to-rumble-114153.html) is looking at another run. :faint: And ol' Etch-A-Sketch has the nerve to say Jeb would have trouble winning the White White :faint: :faint:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-11, 02:49:47
Romney had two serious problems his last time out.

First, the basic dishonesty. You only wanted to look at the man to realize he had a more tenuous hold on truth than anybody since Nixon on the Republican side of the aisle. He even made me think Clinton was more honest, and we all know Clinton lied even when the truth would sound better.

Second, his unfortunate choice of running mate. That R/R logo was too close to the one used by Rolls Royce, and when you have Democrats looking to hang the "You're only for the rich!" label on you, it would be hard to pick a worse emblem to represent your ticket than two Rs joined together in that way.

The second problem can be fixed--- at least somewhat-- by choosing a different running mate and giving more thought to the way your ticket presents itself to the public. The first problem--- oh boy, this is a core problem and there's no easy fix. Wherever Romney goes, there he is. There's no escaping a dishonest demeanor except to change what you are from inside out. That isn't so easy to do.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-11, 03:05:12
and when you have Democrats looking to hang the "You're only for the rich!" label on you

That and the infamous 47 percent video pretty well solidified it.
First, the basic dishonesty.

Quite so. That aide of his thinking they could "Etch-A-Sketch" away his earlier positions was actually insulting. Welcome to the information age where semi-intelligent voters can dredge up your entire past with a single Google search, Mittens. It was well known in that election that he was flip-flopping just about every single one of his earlier positions. Probably his one consistency was following a generic Republican template in economic policy.

Assuming he wants a GOP president in 2016, the smart thing for him to do is not run. Him and Jeb will tear each other apart. I still content the reason Obama is president is that every candidate that could have beaten him in 2008 (including that year's version of Romney) destroyed each other.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-12, 09:31:43
I still content the reason Obama is president is that every candidate that could have beaten him in 2008 (including that year's version of Romney) destroyed each other.

There's a good reason for that. It's called Palin, who was into self-destruction.
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screen.yahoo.com/palin-rap-000000488.html (http://screen.yahoo.com/palin-rap-000000488.html)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-12, 23:41:23
Imagine someone like her even having mused on the idea of standing for the Presidency? Had she stood and won the noise around the US and world would be a groan and I would save a spare room for ex-colonist immigrants.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-13, 10:01:44

I still content the reason Obama is president is that every candidate that could have beaten him in 2008 (including that year's version of Romney) destroyed each other.

Yeah, the lone, sane republican got something like 2% in the primary.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-13, 21:25:23

Yeah, the lone, sane republican got something like 2% in the primary.

"You know damned well there's no such thing," he said, revealing how he votes.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-15, 13:05:07


Yeah, the lone, sane republican got something like 2% in the primary.

"You know damned well there's no such thing," he said, revealing how he votes.

Well, 'sane' as in 'sane for a republican', as in 'not quite frothing at the mouth crazy' :left:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-15, 13:17:36
 :insane: Shhhhh! There are Republicans here. :insane:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-16, 01:56:52
Well, 'sane' as in 'sane for a republican', as in 'not quite frothing at the mouth crazy'

Our governor Sandoval shows signs of sanity from time to time. I think it's the Southern Republicans, who are more descended from the segregationist Dixiecrats, that keep up the lunacy in the GOP than the Western ones. Here, some of them are indeed entrepreneurial and everything the GOP pretends its base is. You can debate some Republicans online and it comes out they're from California and never lived in a Red Southern state, where former  Grand Wizards of the KKK get elected (remember David Duke?) and one Republican voter after another pays for their groceries at Wal*Mart with EBT cards; jobs that should should pay about $15 dollars an hour pay $9, hence maybe taking a percent off the unemployment rate, but otherwise keeping the entire economy down.

Maybe if Republicans from California, Washington, Oregon and Nevada could assert more influence the GOP could actually focus on smaller government and lower taxes instead endlessly fighting equal marriage (the Constitution has spoken, guys) and other idiocy. Arizona is excluded because they're trying to become the West's Alabama :p. There's still some hope of Idaho and Colorado Republicans, and Utah tries hard to be America's own little Mormon Iran.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-16, 02:26:44

Our governor Sandoval shows signs of sanity from time to time. I think it's the Southern Republicans, who are more descended from the segregationist Dixiecrats, that keep up the lunacy in the GOP than the Western ones.

Even Haslam does, occasionally. Has to play to his base though.


(remember David Duke?)

Vote for the crook, it's important :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-24, 20:56:38
Terrific news for the Democrats!

Sarah Palin and Donald Trump both interested in 2016 runs.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/24/politics/sarah-palin-2016/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/24/politics/sarah-palin-2016/index.html)


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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-25, 04:07:58
Hundreds of millions will be wasted on the carnival that passes for an election and even more of a waste as neither Palin nor Trump will win it will be Clinton. Nice to see your own equivalents of Upstairs downstairs aristocrats are still active!

That Palin is even considering the matter of the election is an insult to the system Americans have got to put up with and the fresh air of Alaska has not cleared her brain cells yet. She knows little and proves it when she opens her mouth and smiles whilst talking gibberish. As for Trump he is another full of talk and always going to "do something." He should stick to opening golf courses and such. Those republicans who somehow think they would be on a good chance because Palin is a woman and then standing against another have lost the plot. That Party has been so messed up for so long and not really getting out the bit. Although I am not struck much by woman politicians who often appear bitchy (although I made an exception for one) the Democrats are well into n easy win for the White House. If I was you dear jimbro you can give sitting up through the night as my crystal ball is a good one and you can whistle "Scotland the Brave" in thanks to my hep along with a crate of Irn Bru.

ps. Is the Republican Party HQ in a mental hospital/
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Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-01-25, 23:27:43

Hundreds of millions will be wasted on the carnival that passes for an ........  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/BlaBlaBlaBla.gif) (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/bsmeternoboom.gif)

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-26, 09:20:29

Hundreds of millions will be wasted on the carnival that passes for an election and even more of a waste as neither Palin nor Trump will win it will be Clinton.

I hope Palin gets the Republican nod!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&feature=player_embedded&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=RrzD-zqWwWc   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&feature=player_embedded&x-yt-cl=84503534&v=RrzD-zqWwWc)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-26, 18:35:05
Nice to see your own equivalents of Upstairs downstairs aristocrats are still active!

We do have our would-be nobles and you have your actual inbred European ones. I'm not hatin', though. Just because a guy's sister is also his aunt is no reason to disqualify him from House of Lords. The mental retardation from centuries of this going on just makes them 37.297 percent funnier :yes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-27, 03:20:09
Well unfortunately Sanguinemoon you don't have the proper picture on the House of Lords at all.

The number of hereditary peers was reduced considerably from sitting whatever the rank - Duke, Baron, Lord. Life peers are more to the fore these days and they actually cover a wider background than you know. They include all sorts of folk who have contributed to society  from experts in subjects to retired trade Union Leades.  In the Upper House they only get paid for the days they are in and cannot stop Bills. They used to up to just before the 1st World War. They can check the details and pass a Bill back to the Commoins but eventually the Commons are the decider. So it isn't as confrontational a tradition as well

So those from more humble pasts are across the chamber and the experience of the House is more valid than concentrating on the fixed minority of the traditional families. Personally I do not want a replacement "Senate" thing which would just add another very expensive chamber and it didn't have powers to stop a Bill then no use or different from now. where the members only get those daily payments I mentioned. Anyway back to the thread.

I note that Trump has come out again yet again (!) saying he might stand so why doesn't he dither? Looking at the possibles for the joker pack the Republicans they have no chance.  Would it not be a consideration for the more clued up Republicans to leave that party and reform the Progressive party as that break was caused by people who were worried about way out politics? Theu did get some reps but didn't unfortunately last long and today would have given Americans a slightly more chance of a wider election.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-27, 08:42:53
he might stand so why doesn't he dither?

Because he just enjoys trolling the pundits every four years. It's not clear why anyone really thinks he has any intention of putting his business empire on the backburner long enough to make a serious run. Then what if he actually won? Look at this from his point of view. Sure, he could set policy to help his business and others like it. However, the megalomaniac won't want to allow someone else to run his corporations in his stead.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-27, 09:38:34

Nice to see your own equivalents of Upstairs downstairs aristocrats are still active!

We do have our would-be nobles and you have your actual inbred European ones. I'm not hatin', though. Just because a guy's sister is also his aunt is no reason to disqualify him from House of Lords. The mental retardation from centuries of this going on just makes them 37.297 percent funnier :yes:

Most of them are appointed on merit these days, there's a bunch of more or less retired politicians, actual scientists and whatnot in there. Supposed to be more or less a council of experts that don't have to pander to the Great Unwashed, which actually sounds like a fairly decent idea.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-27, 09:40:12

he might stand so why doesn't he dither?

Because he just enjoys trolling the pundits every four years. It's not clear why anyone really thinks he has any intention of putting his business empire on the backburner long enough to make a serious run. Then what if he actually won? Look at this from his point of view. Sure, he could set policy to help his business and others like it. However, the megalomaniac won't want to allow someone else to run his corporations in his stead.

Pulling a Palin and raking in campaign contributions, while generating publicity for his businesses.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-27, 13:56:28

Pulling a Palin and raking in campaign contributions, while generating publicity for his businesses.
Palin pulling a Palin is better that anything else she could do in politics.

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Sarah Palin will speak at West Hills College in Lemoore, Calif. this May, reports ABC Local News -- and she'll receive $115,000 to do so.

Despite Palin's high price tag, West Hills President Don Warkentin says that the money has already been made back in ticket sales. According to the Hill, the event has sold out of $25 and $5,000 tickets.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/sarah-palin-to-speak-at-w_n_815065.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/sarah-palin-to-speak-at-w_n_815065.html)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-01-27, 14:52:54


Pulling a Palin and raking in campaign contributions, while generating publicity for his businesses.
Palin pulling a Palin is better that anything else she could do in politics.

Yeah, keeps the money from going to wacko candidates that are actually trying to get elected :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-27, 16:50:17
Romney? ???
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-01-27, 19:47:43

Nice to see your own equivalents of Upstairs downstairs aristocrats are still active!

We do have our would-be nobles and you have your actual inbred European ones. I'm not hatin', though. Just because a guy's sister is also his aunt is no reason to disqualify him from House of Lords. The mental retardation from centuries of this going on just makes them 37.297 percent funnier :yes:


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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-27, 22:04:43
O do make allowances for you being a redneck ex-colonsist and therefor expected to be ignorant of any other poltical system. However I did point out that the Lords cannot kick a Bill out and that hereditary peers involvement was greatly reduced and replaced by those made a peerr for only their lifetime not hereditary. The House does do good work due to it's experience and a wide range on the benches. It is also as I said too widfer represented from the ordinary backgrounds such as trade Union leaders who are retired, etc.

What  those in the republican Party circus who think they are intelligent is to reform the Progressive Party and give people a wider choice. The terrible poor number of votes on the Hill shows you have a deepening system problem. As for these "Conventions" they look daft from outside and certainly not conferences as elsewhere in the world with better systems.

The only trouble with brining back the US Progressive party is that with so few sensibles these days in the Republicans corner they would not be missed from there.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-28, 02:40:19
The only trouble with brining back the US Progressive party

What the hell are you talking about? Who wants to bring back a Left-wing minor party that disbanded in  in 1955?   (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_(United_States,_1948)) Or do you mean the one that went defunct in 1919 (and whose members in Congress left for the Republican party in 1918) or the one that lived for one year 1924? Who's trying to bring any of those parties back? 

Hrm, I did find  a Progressive Party  (http://progparty.org/) site from Oregon. Note that comparison of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party and themselves is incorrect on several issues.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-01-28, 22:06:05
Yes the earlier one and most of them actually came from the Republican Party as they thought it too extreme! Anything outside of Rockwell is too left over the pond!  Haha, what funny people. More and more are getting teed of as the system is no longer for the people, etc, etc, it is for those in the comfort zone and stuff everyone else. This situation has become more obvious and you should ask why so many stayed at home at the recent elections. kind of says something.

There was a general time when many could say the Democrats were with a sigh lesser of two evils but the present administration has shown even that to be a farce. Whether it be increased drones and killings, creating global problems, etc. The American people deserve a more mature and able system for the present day instead of the big two doing what they damn well like and spending unlimited sums from corporates, etc. Even that two-face with a statue, Lincoln came back today he would be scratching his head at what went wrong. As for Washington there should be a speed limit at his grave to control the revolving speed
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-01-28, 22:26:10
Forget the old days. ISIS has just made a declaration. Looks like Biden will be in office soon.

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"Know, oh Obama, that we will reach America. Know also that we will cut off your head in the White House and transform America into a Muslim province." 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-01-28, 22:53:55
Know, oh Obama

Strange kind of addressing to someone.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-01-29, 05:08:13

Yes the earlier one and most of them actually came from the Republican Party as they thought it too extreme! Anything outside of Rockwell is too left over the pond!  Haha, what funny people. More and more are getting teed of as the system is no longer for the people, etc, etc, it is for those in the comfort zone and stuff everyone else. This situation has become more obvious and you should ask why so many stayed at home at the recent elections. kind of says something.

There was a general time when many could say the Democrats were with a sigh lesser of two evils but the present administration has shown even that to be a farce. Whether it be increased drones and killings, creating global problems, etc. The American people deserve a more mature and able system for the present day instead of the big two doing what they damn well like and spending unlimited sums from corporates, etc. Even that two-face with a statue, Lincoln came back today he would be scratching his head at what went wrong. As for Washington there should be a speed limit at his grave to control the revolving speed

tl;dr

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-31, 01:41:24
It looks like we can take one card off the table anyway. Mitt Romney said he's not going to run. Rush Limbaugh suggests the reason why Mitt isn't running is because all the big money went somewhere else. He may be right. Mitt may have realized he couldn't hope to win without heavy financial backing (who are we trying to kid, he couldn't win anyway) and if the big money sponsors don't support him he's finished before he gets started. So, he's out as of this morning.

So, now Jimbro still has his hopes set on a Sarah Palin run. If she wins the Republican primary, the party's hopes of securing the White House are done for. I can see this happening especially if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination. The Republicans will believe they need Palin to stop the Clinton bandwagon, and by choosing one of the worst possible candidates they will instead propel Clinton to her first term as President.

Republican suicide missions have happened before, how do you think Obama got his Senate seat so easily? The Illinois Republican Party did just about the most ham-handed things they could find to do, all but guaranteeing Obama would win against his Republican opponent.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-01-31, 02:06:58
Republican suicide missions have happened before, how do you think Obama got his Senate seat so easily? The Illinois Republican Party did just about the most ham-handed things they could find to do, all but guaranteeing Obama would win against his Republican opponent.

Correction, please:
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[Jack Ryan's] 2004 campaign for the Senate, against future-president Barack Obama, received widespread media attention for the disclosure of sealed custody documents stemming from his divorce from actress Jeri Ryan. The unsealing of those documents ultimately led to Ryan's withdrawal from the campaign.
(from Wikipedia)

Team Obama had used this tactic successfully before...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-31, 02:16:11
Republican suicide missions have happened before, how do you think Obama got his Senate seat so easily?

Or became president, and got re-elected in 2012. The entire GOP primary season was one big suicide mission both times, including cynically choosing Palin as VP mainly by virtue of being a woman.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-31, 02:23:34

Republican suicide missions have happened before, how do you think Obama got his Senate seat so easily? The Illinois Republican Party did just about the most ham-handed things they could find to do, all but guaranteeing Obama would win against his Republican opponent.

Correction, please:
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[Jack Ryan's] 2004 campaign for the Senate, against future-president Barack Obama, received widespread media attention for the disclosure of sealed custody documents stemming from his divorce from actress Jeri Ryan. The unsealing of those documents ultimately led to Ryan's withdrawal from the campaign.
(from Wikipedia)

Team Obama had used this tactic successfully before...


Did I lie? Take a look at what the Illinois Republicans did next: Instead of nominating the runner-up, who might have stood a chance, or holding a special election, again something that might have stood a chance, they went and got a guy from Maryland to come to Illinois and run against Obama. The only thing the carpet-bagger had going for him was that he was the same skin color as Obama. Nobody bought the ruse, especially not people in the Black community. Ordinary Republicans were angered at their party leadership and the way they mishandled the whole business so they didn't vote that year.

Gotta hand it to Illinois Republicans. Where else can you get driven from nomination that you've won because you wanted to have sex with your own wife? (OK, admittedly kinky sex--- but with his own wife.)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-01-31, 02:32:58
Gotta hand it to Illinois Republicans. Where else can you get driven from nomination that you've won because you wanted to have sex with your own wife? (OK, admittedly kinky sex--- but with his own wife.)

If only that was the end of the story.


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On June 22, 2004, after receiving a report from the referee, Judge Schnider released the files that were deemed consistent with the interests of Ryan's young child. In those files, Jeri Ryan alleged that Jack Ryan had wanted her to perform sexual acts with him in public in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris, although no sex occurred. Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling."
That won't fly in the party that tries to claim all "moral" issues.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-01-31, 02:56:27
Nobody ever said it wasn't a wee bit strange. Well, on second thought Jack Ryan tried to say there was nothing embarrassing in the documents--- before the whole thing blew open and we could see just how embarrassing it really was. Jack Ryan was doomed from that moment. The Republican Party might still have salvaged the election if they had shown just a little bit of sense in choosing the replacement-- but sadly, it was not to be. They made a choice that fooled no one and angered doggone near everyone.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-01-31, 06:45:08
That won't fly in the party that tries to claim all "moral" issues.

As usual, you "read" only to pick out bits and pieces that "support" your partisan view, Sang. But that's how you roll!

Isn't Sandoval your state's governor? (A little frustrating, no? :) )
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The Republican Party might still have salvaged the election if they had [...a time machine!]

No, mjm, there was no chance of success in a general election with another candidate at that late date...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-02-01, 16:18:54
The Republican Party might still have salvaged the election if they had shown just a little bit of sense in choosing the replacement-- but sadly, it was not to be. They made a choice that fooled no one and angered doggone near everyone.

Keyes sounds real political genius in that election. He tried to claim Jesus Christ wouldn't vote for Obama (way to alienate African American churchs) and Mary Cheney was selfish hedonist for being a lesbian and therefore reduce support from Republican top brass. I don't feel like spending a lot of time looking into the gory details, but even a quick glance at Wikipedia tells me he was doomed from the get-go.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-02-01, 18:23:20
Well---- Jesus probably wouldn't vote for Obama. Or his opponent, for that matter. Jesus is King of kings and Lord most high--- why would He vote for lesser people to challenge Him?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-02-01, 20:46:47
Being He already knows the outcome (all of them actually) why would He bother?

The   (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/satan003.gif)   devil couldn't tempt Him, do you think a lowly      (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/RaccoonStrut.gif)    demonrat  could?
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-02-02, 04:48:26
Well---- Jesus probably wouldn't vote for Obama.

Well if you remember, he didn't have much in way of positive feedback for either the Pharisees nor Sadducees. So why he have any for the Democrats and Republicans.
Being He already knows the outcome (all of them actually) why would He bother?

If he would or not might be a interesting discussion. He certainly knew he was going to be crucified, but it wouldn't have any special divine power to realize the religious authorities were moving against him. Within the Bible itself, there are indications that Jesus was not omniscient. Matthew 24:36, Jesus indicated that he didn't know when the Second Coming would be. At times, he incorrectly said it would during the lifetime of his contemporary believers. He didn't know that Lazarus had died and had to be told. I'm sure there are other examples, and apologetics for them.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-02-02, 13:10:09
Jaybro 20:20
"Father, Why do they deal in the batshit crazy?"
"Because they know not better, my son."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-02-03, 20:41:58

Well---- Jesus probably wouldn't vote for Obama.

Well if you remember, he didn't have much in way of positive feedback for either the Pharisees nor Sadducees. So why he have any for the Democrats and Republicans.

Yeah, not much of turn the other cheek, judge not, love thy neighbour etc. going around in america's political caste. Especially the overtly christian ones. Then again, they follow Republican Jesus, not the biblical one ( who would probably go with Sanders if he absolutely had to pick one ).
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-02-03, 23:10:11
Ongoing American Saga.
This is not not a saga, it's a plague.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-02-04, 03:52:17

Ongoing American Saga.
This is not not a saga, it's a plague.


To each their own. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/firefart.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-02-04, 22:07:25
Then again, they follow Republican Jesus, not the biblical one

And it matters!?!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-02-05, 04:08:50
Yes it matters as they are fundamental nutjobs and could damage the world.  :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-02-24, 20:05:51
How right you are Sir Howie. How's this for bad news.
From the New York Times.
Quote
Nearly three-quarters of Republicans now favor sending ground troops into combat against the Islamic State, according to a CBS News poll last week. And in Iowa and South Carolina, two early-voting states, Republicans said military action against the group was, alongside economic matters, the most important issue in the 2016 election, according to an NBC survey released last week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/us/politics/foreign-policy-ascends-as-issue-for-republican-presidential-contenders.html
(http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/us/politics/foreign-policy-ascends-as-issue-for-republican-presidential-contenders.html)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-02-25, 18:57:41
I support the use of low-grade, low-yield (nothing more than say 500 megatons)  Nuclear weapons in the Middle East against ISIS & their clones. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/firefart.gif)

Boots on the ground post-attack to work the oil rigs, supply dirty, non-sterile gauze pads to ISIS women to use on their poor lil burnt boys, & to monitor radium contamination only.   (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-02-25, 21:24:44
I am groaning at the cirus that passes for an election over there. That so many red necks, oops, Republican party storm troopers are so keen on gung-ho and wars only adds to the joke. Anyway they have a problem with the minority lots and won't win. As for the Democrats they will as there isn't any great choice for Americans so stuck with what we are excusing as the lesser of two evils. With the ever increasing debt the only way out will be when the whole thing collapses and then a third way. Revolution No2 by the people this time not the money lot like the first one.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-02-25, 21:36:10
How to turn a discussion into a clown show. Good work, Sir!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-02-26, 03:30:38
Good work, Sir!

Indeed it is, but he's limited in his options on these forums. So I'll go ahead and book his comedy act on the Strip and we'll make millions together :yes: Of course, I'll take care the airline reservations and hire a limo to pick him up from the airport. I'm thinking an SUV-type would be a good choice so he gets a chance to stretch his legs after such a long flight. No need to thank me, Howie. I consider it an investment.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-02-26, 09:20:46
Indeed it is, but he's limited in his options on these forums

Do you mean, he has to speak English...? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-02-26, 11:01:42
From somebody's point of view, everybody else sounds goofy.

From the point of view of an Englishman, Americans don't really speak English.

From an American point of view, Scotsmen sound funny.

Would you like to learn to speak Australian?

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-03, 20:37:27
So, you think Hillary can be trusted.........you want Hillary (Billary) to be the most powerful person in office, & lead the United States of America   ----  US!!??



Riiiiiiiiiiight....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-03-04, 11:59:10
The thing that bothers me most about a Clinton run for the White House is that, if Hillary looks like she wins the Democrat nomination, the Republicans can be counted on to make the worst choice possible in an attempt to defeat her.

Look for a Sarah Palin Republican nomination if Hillary gets the Democrat nod.... and if that happens, God help us all.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-04, 20:49:53
Hillary has problems.
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The email practices of Hillary Rodham Clinton, who used a private account exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state, grew more intriguing with the disclosure Wednesday that the computer server she used traced back to her family's New York home, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press.

The unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official running her own email server would have given Clinton -- who is expected to run for president in the 2016 campaign -- significant control over limiting access to her message archives.

It also would complicate the State Department's legal responsibilities in finding and turning over official emails in response to any investigations, lawsuits or public records requests. The department would be the position of accepting Clinton's assurances she was surrendering everything required that was in her control.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/b78ba433af3a45209668f745158d994c/clinton-ran-homebrew-computer-system-official-emails)

Whatever Hillary does, Palin isn not going to be the Republican candidate. Why?
1. The Republicans who matter don't want her.
2. Speaking fees. "Sarah Palin will speak at West Hills College in Lemoore, Calif. this May, reports ABC Local News -- and she'll receive $115,000 to do so."

Ex pols can make a fortune speaking.
Quote
President Reagan once got $2 million from a Japanese manufacturing company for two 20-minute speeches. Bill Clinton collected some $40 million in speaking fees during the six years following his presidency. And George W. Bush told reporters he expected to make a "ridiculous" amount of money on the speaker's circuit when he left office.
That from http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sarah-palin-earned-estimated-12-million-july/story?id=10352437 (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sarah-palin-earned-estimated-12-million-july/story?id=10352437)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-04, 23:10:11
Foreign governments gave millions to foundation while Clinton was at State Dept.

Quote from:      WASHINGTON POST     http://wapo.st/18QZehN    
The Clinton Foundation accepted millions of dollars from seven foreign governments during Hillary Rodham Clinton's tenure as secretary of state, including one donation that violated its ethics agreement with the Obama administration, foundation officials disclosed Wednesday......continued (http://wapo.st/18QZehN)
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(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/can-of-worms.gif)  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/busted.gif)  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/can-of-worms.gif)

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-04, 23:46:33
Benghazi .......... We Will Never Forget .......... Hillary Will Wish We Did!

eMAILS.......eMAILS.......eMAILS

And she's got the balls to want to be President....................Riiiiiiiight



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What difference does it make, well Hillary........it makes a BIG, BIG difference.


Quote

WASHINGTON - State Department emails released through a lawsuit by Judicial Watch show then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton knew while the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi was under way that it was being carried out by terrorists.

Clinton blamed the attack on "rage and violence over an awful Internet video" when she spoke at a ceremony at Andrews Air Force Base on Sept. 14, 2014, as the remains of the four Americans, including Ambassador Christopher Stevens, were returned to the United States.

The emails were made public Thursday by the Washington, D.C., legal watchdog group.

"These emails leave no doubt that Hillary Clinton's closest advisers knew the truth about the Benghazi attack from almost the moment it happened," said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

"And it is inescapable that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton knowingly lied when she planted the false story about 'inflammatory' material being posted on the Internet,'" Fitton said.

He said the "contempt for the public's right to know is evidenced not only in these documents, but also in the fact that we had to file a lawsuit in federal court to obtain them."

"The Obama gang's cover-up continues to unravel, despite its unlawful secrecy and continued slow-rolling of information," Fitton said. "Congress, if it ever decides to do its job, cannot act soon enough to put Hillary Clinton, Cheryl Mills and every other official in these emails under oath."

Fitton criticized the current House Select Committee investigation on Benghazi headed by Rep. Trey Gowdy, R- S.C.

"Never once has Gowdy or the House Select Committee asked Judicial Watch to turn over the many bombshell documents Judicial Watch has obtained from the Obama administration by FOIA request, " Fitton told WND.

"I would have thought a serious congressional investigation into Benghazi would have started with the documents we had, since Judicial Watch has led in exposing the White House cover-up," he said.

On Sept. 11, 2012, at 4:07 p.m. EST, as the Benghazi attack was going on, Maria Sand, then a special assistant to Clinton, forwarded an email from the State Department's Operations Center titled, "U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi is Under Attack," to Cheryl Mills, then chief-of staff to Secretary Clinton, as well as Jacob Sullivan, then-deputy chief-of-staff for policy, Joseph McManus, then-Hillary Clinton's executive assistant, and other special assistants in Clinton's office.

The email read:

    The Regional Security Officer reports the diplomatic mission is under attack. Tripoli reports approximately 20 armed people fired shots; explosions have been heard as well. Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM [Chief of Mission] personnel are in the compound safe haven. The 17th of February militia is providing security support.

Then, at 4:38 p.m. Eastern, State Department Foreign Service Officer Lawrence Randolph forwarded Mills, Sullivan and McManus an email from Scott Bultrowicz, the former director of the Diplomatic Security Service, one of four senior State Department officials who was ousted in December 2012 after the publication of the State Department's Advisor Review Board final report of the Benghazi attack.

With the subject line "Attack on Benghazi," it read:


    DSCC [Diplomatic Security Command Center] received a phone call from [REDACTED] in Benghazi, Libya initially stating that 15 armed individuals were attacking the compound and trying to gain entrance. The Ambassador is present in Benghazi and currently is barricaded within the compound. There are no injuries at this time and it is unknown what the intent of the attackers is. At approximately 1600 DSCC received word from Benghazi that individuals had entered the compound. At 1614 RSO advised the Libyans had set fire to various buildings in the area, possibly the building that houses the Ambassador [REDACTED] is responding and taking fire.

Nearly seven hours later, at 12:04 a.m. on Sept. 12, Randolph sent an email with the subject line "FW: Update 3: Benghazi Shelter Location "Also Under Attack," to Mills, Sullivan and McManus that had several updates about the Benghazi attack:

    I just called Ops and they said the DS command center is reporting that the compound is under attack again. I am about to reach out to the DS Command Center.

The email also contains a chain of earlier email updates:

    Sept. 11, 2012, at 11:57 p.m. EST. Email: "(SBU) DS Command reports the current shelter location for COM personnel in Benghazi is under mortar fire. There are reports of injuries to COM staff."

    Sept. 11, 2012, 6:06 p.m. EST. (Subject: "Update 2: Ansar al-Sharia Claims Responsibility for Benghazi Attack (SBU): "(SBU) Embassy Tripoli reports the group claimed responsibility on Facebook and Twitter and call for an attack on Embassy Tripoli"

    Sept. 11, 2012, 4:54 p.m. EST: "Embassy Tripoli reports the firing at the U.S. Diplomatic Mission in Benghazi has stopped and the compound has been cleared. A response team is on site to locate COM personnel."

The State Department emails released Thursday by Judicial Watch reveal the first official confirmation of the death of Ambassador Stevens.

On Sept. 12, 2012, at 3:22 a.m. EST, Senior Watch Officer Andrew Veprek forwarded an email to numerous State Department officials, which was later forwarded to Mills and McManus, with the subject line "Death of Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi."

It read:

    Embassy Tripoli confirms the death of Ambassador John C. (Chris) Stevens in Benghazi. His body has been recovered and is at the airport in Benghazi.

Two hours later, McManus forwarded the news of Ambassador Stevens' death to officials in the State Department Legislative Affairs office with instructions not to "forward to anyone at this point."

Despite her three top staff members being informed that a terrorist group had claimed credit for the attack, Clinton, issued an official statement, also produced to Judicial Watch, claiming the attack may have been "a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet."

http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/hillary-knew-emails-during-benghazi-attack-reported-terrorism/#8usK2WrEf80pc9X5.99 (http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/hillary-knew-emails-during-benghazi-attack-reported-terrorism/#8usK2WrEf80pc9X5.99)



And the beat goes on ... and on ... and on ..... and will continue to go on until
America knows everything she did, when she did it, & why she did it!




Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-05, 00:16:52
BREAKING NEWS:

House committee subpoenas e-mails from  ALL Clinton's account(s)


Quote from:      WASHINGTON POST       http://wapo.st/1wWwk5c  
A House investigative committee issued subpoenas late Wednesday afternoon to the State Department, seeking a deeper look into former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton's nearly exclusive use of personal e-mails to do her official business during her tenure, the committee confirmed Wednesday.

The House Select Committee on Benghazi, which first discovered Clinton's use of a personal e-mail based on a home server in its inquiry into a fatal 2012 terrorist attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, is asking for all e-mails related to the attack from all Clintonemail.com accounts and any other staff members' personal accounts.

"The Select Committee on Benghazi today issued subpoenas for all communications of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton related to Libya and to the State Department for other individuals who have information pertinent to the investigation," according to a statement by committee spokesman Jamal Ware. "The Committee also has issued preservation letters to internet firms informing them of their legal obligation to protect all relevant documents.".......... continued (http://wapo.st/1wWwk5c)





Hillary will be like a goose being sucked through a jet engine!  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-emails-subpoena-20150304-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-clinton-emails-subpoena-20150304-story.html)

http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/04/benghazi-terror-attack-probe-wants-access-to-hillary-clinton-emails-from-private-server/ (http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/03/04/benghazi-terror-attack-probe-wants-access-to-hillary-clinton-emails-from-private-server/)


http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-e-mails-subpoenaed-house-committee-investigating-benghazi-1836504 (http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-e-mails-subpoenaed-house-committee-investigating-benghazi-1836504)

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Benghazi+terror+attack+probe+subpoena+access+Hillary+Clinton+emails/10861985/story.html (http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/Benghazi+terror+attack+probe+subpoena+access+Hillary+Clinton+emails/10861985/story.html)

http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/414201/benghazi-panel-issue-subpoenas-hillary-clinton-emails (http://chicago.suntimes.com/politics/7/71/414201/benghazi-panel-issue-subpoenas-hillary-clinton-emails)


http://www.calgaryherald.com/Benghazi+terror+attack+probe+subpoena+access+Hillary+Clinton+emails/10861985/story.html (http://www.calgaryherald.com/Benghazi+terror+attack+probe+subpoena+access+Hillary+Clinton+emails/10861985/story.html)

"It doesn't matter if the server was in Foggy Bottom, Chappaqua, or Bora-Bora," House Speaker John Boehner said. "The Benghazi Select Committee needs to see all of these emails, because the American people deserve all of the facts."



Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-05, 00:58:45

Hillary has problems.


No Jim, Hillary's in deep, deep, deep stank .......... getting deeper by the minute!

Couldn't happen to a finer skank  'Lady'  ........ I bet she's thinkin' right about now .... Karma sux, don't it!  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/biglaugh023.gif)

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-05, 02:36:45
Whatever side Americans are on in the Democrats and Republican matter it did not give a very good PR to the world on the visit from that mouth from Tel Aviv.  Many sensible people over there will be unhappy at the portrayal to the world and one cannot help but feel for them.

Maybe the Tel Aviv storm trooper could be a little bit more honest about israeli H bombs as a break from accusing Iran.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-05, 22:24:39
Israel is in a precarious position in the region, but Netanyahu is over the top. Hopefully that Republican stunt  won't work in Netanyahu's election bid. He's favored by 44% of the electorate, just under Obama's 49%. He gained a couple of points after his visit, but that will evaporate.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-06, 02:37:28
Totally agree and that Israeli big headed mouth of a PM is a great advert for militant Zionism. I think it was quite disrespectful using another country that not only supports whoever is in power in Israel but funds it to exist. Totally disgusting how he treated America it's Head of State and it's own political system. Apart from the disrespect but the arrogant using and that the idiots on the Hill especially Republicans played a full part in it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-06, 08:52:42
"The Select Committee on Benghazi today issued subpoenas for all communications of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton related to Libya and to the State Department for other individuals who have information pertinent to the investigation," according to a statement by committee spokesman Jamal Ware. "The Committee also has issued preservation letters to internet firms informing them of their legal obligation to protect all relevant documents."..........

Translation: The GOP already knows it has no one that win the election.  Really, who doesn't think this is political? But it's a bad strategy. What will be their other move? Play up issues that "energize" the Republican base, but mean nothing to about 60% of the rest of the electorate and get other groups as energized as their base? The result, of course will be defeat. In a battle between Jeb and Hilary, Jeb does have a chance, despite the idiocy of his Republican colleagues. (using Benghazi as an election issue? Are they fucking serious?) But that all depends on his ability to survive the GOP primaries, which sane Republicans haven't in recent years (Witness Romney, he all but had multiple personality disorder on the issues. McCain, let's just flush the American auto industry down the drain. Yeah, that will be real good for the economy, dimshit. Palin? Where does one start?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-06, 18:38:10
Jeb

Just another Bush.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-07, 04:00:18
Well I am bushed at that spread.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-11, 21:46:29
I don't expect the Republicans to win unless they scan the mental hospitals. Hilary Clinton on th the other side, hhhhm. I seen a reference to another Democrat woman (her name escapes me) as being popular. Clinton would be one bossy and one neb of a painful woman.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-03-11, 21:50:47
The electoral farce will never end until politicians are not hanged.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-12, 10:29:37
Our only hope is if Canada takes us in as The Southern Province.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-13, 01:25:01

I don't expect the Republicans to win unless they scan the mental hospitals. Hilary Clinton on th the other side, hhhhm. I seen a reference to another Democrat woman (her name escapes me) as being popular. Clinton would be one bossy and one neb of a painful woman.


Feast yer eyes:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-14, 05:02:19
I did laugh earlier at Sanguinemoon rabbiting on about me as a limited corner type person. Thought it especially amusing considering he has blinkers himself in thinking the land of nut jobs is above being challenged in it's imperial pomposity!

Maybe at some time in history the political system in the ex-colonies was trying to serve the people - well at least in principle but it no longer works as intended. The 2 giants have got the damn thing so carved up then any other group might as well go to sleep. Unlimited money spent by BOTH sides. Corporate big money barons on BOTH sides and at the last Presidential I think the Democrats outdid the nutty republicans. The system no longer serves the wider population hence just over 50% voting at the last Hill election. If you are comfortable and a reasonable income then you will smugly reckon things are not really that bad in the system but for the tens of millions, yes note the number that is not the case and between them and the very deep and bad racial matters it illustrates the same system only benefits the cumfy folk.

Time and time people quote the Constitution but why should they need to considering what it laid down? Many have to literally fight for their basic rights, privacy on the phone, mobile phone, net or whatever. The government very subtly can by pas that same constitution through it's spy agencies like especially the NSA.  In a sense I can feel for all those who have been brought up with things passed on to them about the greatness, freedoms and stuff then if they do not have much money they are left to rot and none more so than the legions of black people. To those of us fortunate to live in the real world the party conventions are a laugh and not much morte than funny if meant to be serious politics. It is just a big damn fun party and takes no real note of the racial badness nor the plight of millions of poorer Americans.

I have oft said that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils as the 2 big boys are the only ones allowed a look in and my comments have been a bit watered down as some of the things Obama has done have been more than GW Bush did! A complete overhaul is needed for the present day and to deal with the vast poor, under-privileged the sectioning of the blacks and the whole matter of representation.  Less spent on the military machine that puts big dollars in the military corporate industry and kills many young Americans who do not have the education or skills so head for the army.  There are many millions of decent, hard working and family people over there who are being ripped off not only by the behind-the-scenes corporate string pullers but as system that is not serving the whole country.  :(

Reducing the nonsense of spending half the world's military bill could face the challenge of the mass numbers of poor and losing out and i think it is a crying shame that so many decents are being served by a procedure that is far from what those founders wanted and was never like it is today .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-14, 11:50:58
There are many millions of decent, hard working and family people over there who are being ripped off not only by the behind-the-scenes corporate string pullers but as system that is not serving the whole country.   :(

Sir Howie, you're the king of generalities and innuendo, and I'm sure that you're right to some extent. I'm retired, own a house and a car and have $$$$$.$$ in the bank and investments. That's not true of all Americans, but it's also not true of all Brits, either.

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Please be more specific.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-14, 18:58:38
I deliberatley was being generally specific to save words. And to take the simplicity even further let me make this clear.

The comfortable off are generally superficially content because they are cumfy. That money is spent on being world imperialistic and which you cannot afford is ridiculous.I made it very clear and obvious that more effort should be made on the large numbers who are on the back burner. No homes, little money and struggling. No Welfare state so they just go on suffering and the country should be facing that instead of spending half the world military business bill. Your country is far more in control of the corporates which is as plain as the nose on your faces and just to acknowledge part of the failings is not good enough. Interfering across the world doing in any country that does not conform to your way of doing things and so on. Just look what is spent at elections by the big two and how does that help the poor and needy?  The racial question is so damn obvious and contradicts everything that the country is MEANT to stand for as well. Every time the obvious is shown the tendency is to try and body-swerve to somewhere else but nowhere bis more at the top of hypocrisy than the USA.

Being more specific is a cosy throw away really and that the large numbers of the poor and the picking on blacks by an increasing Police State mind is there for all to see. Poor or black in the land of the free and home of the brave make it very abundantly clear that if white and cumfy just ignore those two things.

Instead of marching all over the world then following that up by the money barons shows the flaws up even more.  Democracy? Don't make me laugh! The Democrats are the lesser of the two evils and full democracy is then restricted because the money men will decide what is happening not the voters.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-03-17, 23:05:33

I deliberatley was being generally specific to save words. And to take the simplicity even further let me make this clear.

The comfortable off are generally superficially content because they are cumfy. That money is spent on being world imperialistic and which you cannot afford is ridiculous.I made it very clear and obvious that more effort should be made on the large numbers who are on the back burner. No homes, little money and struggling. No Welfare state so they just go on suffering and the country should be facing that instead of spending half the world military business bill. Your country is far more in control of the corporates which is as plain as the nose on your faces and just to acknowledge part of the failings is not good enough. Interfering across the world doing in any country that does not conform to your way of doing things and so on. Just look what is spent at elections by the big two and how does that help the poor and needy?  The racial question is so damn obvious and contradicts everything that the country is MEANT to stand for as well. Every time the obvious is shown the tendency is to try and body-swerve to somewhere else but nowhere bis more at the top of hypocrisy than the USA.

Being more specific is a cosy throw away really and that the large numbers of the poor and the picking on blacks by an increasing Police State mind is there for all to see. Poor or black in the land of the free and home of the brave make it very abundantly clear that if white and cumfy just ignore those two things.

Instead of marching all over the world then following that up by the money barons shows the flaws up even more.  Democracy? Don't make me laugh! The Democrats are the lesser of the two evils and full democracy is then restricted because the money men will decide what is happening not the voters.


RJ.....might I suggest..........come here, become a citizen, & at election time vote for those that see it your way, but until then, find yourself up in the cheap seats bawling your eyes out about things you have no control over whatsoever except to use your freedom of speech here so a few dozen people might read about your personal frustrations.  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-18, 02:55:57
RJ.....might I suggest..........come here, become a citizen, & at election time vote for those that see it your way, but until then, find yourself up in the cheap seats bawling your eyes out about things you have no control over whatsoever except to use your freedom of speech here so a few dozen people might read about your personal frustrations.  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/violin4qi3.gif)

But I thought the commie wanted to move to Russia since thing are so much better there? :confused:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-18, 04:30:01
But I thought the commie wanted to move to Russia since thing are so much better there?
Sang, he's no more a commie than I'm a Militiaman or you're a socialist... But he's less capable of expressing himself (and understanding others) than you or I. (Yes, I still worry about you... :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-18, 19:17:07
I will not accept the US Irish Marxist supporter invitation as coming from a wider democratic background would just be frustrating. You fit into that comfortable corner and can run about daft waving the flag, getting emotionally choked while the poor suffer and the blacks have a hellhole existence. The hard fact is that your present system no longer works due to the large numbers of the unfortunates and the lack of any capability of doing anything about it due to the control of the big 2 both corporate controlled.

As for the Presidenatial circus the carnival will be like all thos ebefore it. There will be great declarations of a new beginning a new direction and God bless America and the 40 million poor will still be there the 1,000,000 losing homes a year, 10,000 shot to death, trillions in debt, cause wars and confrontations globally, police still pumping a not need 5 or 6 bullets into people unarmed and so on.

I have a glaring frustration in that there are so many decnet people there but sigh and shut the door in the comfortable house as they know the system will ensure they are either spied on or unable to do anything.
:(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-19, 10:03:50
and the blacks have a hellhole existence.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-19, 21:48:56
You are keeping up the ex-colonists way of being unable to answer by dancing as is the usual. Scotland gets more from the Exchquer than it gives in taxes. Whole modern estates including the one I gave so much voluntary service in are excellent housing, rent subsidies, great welfare payments. The same places have multi tv's, usually satellite tv, Hackney Cab ranks (much dearer than the private taxis), pubs, betting shops. You never see badly dressed kids and one such area has two Mcdonalds. Interesting that jimbro jumps onto the leftist propaganda direction to try and not answer the problems in America which are an H of a lot worse than here. So between child allowance, rents paid, free house repairs (yep you read right), generous benefits used as an alternative to work rather than a safety valve all says much. OOver in the land of the free and home of the brave once you are out the loop you are a nothing so try and answer your own internals mess. Time after time that doesn't happen here and is unfortunately routine.He had beet watch as Sanguinemoon and Smiley will have him as a Socialist. For Smiley anyone outside the old Rockwell corner is a US danger!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-19, 21:51:58
 ???
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-20, 00:54:08
 :P
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-20, 15:23:43
The Two of You
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-20, 18:56:13
Nah. The difference is he thinks he is clever and tries to ignore an issue by waffling. When you consider the prime minister of that country he is in kind of explains much.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-21, 06:23:58
RJ, your Scots "paradise" reminds me of many a distopia I read when I was young...
One particular story (from the late '70s, I believe) was about time travel into the future. The "hero" invented and used his time machine to go hundreds of years into the future. He'd wanted to experience the marvels... Of course, he was quickly noticed and apprehended; and dealt with appropriately:
He had no useful skills or knowledge and no likelihood of ever being able to adjust to the society around him. But the government was not cruel; they gave him the best dole that would suit his circumstance.
They removed his eyelids to install the video (you can imagine the rest...) and installed him in a coffin-like container, wherein he'd "live" old Westerns -- for as long as he lasted!
The tale ended with one of the technicians who performed the "installation" griping about this interloper getting such treatment when he, himself, would have to work for decades more before he qualified... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-21, 19:12:06

The Two of You
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Are you somehow referring to rj and me in the same post?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-22, 01:17:10
ou are keeping up the ex-colonists way of being unable to answer by dancing as is the usual. Scotland gets more from the Exchquer than it gives in taxes. Whole modern estates including the one I gave so much voluntary service in are excellent housing, rent subsidies, great welfare payments

Welfare is a "poor" alternative to real economic advancement of the lower classes. To create those conditions you need an efficient government (good luck with that one) so the tax rate can low and still satisfy the government's obligations. You need physical and technological infrastructure that can support growth, an educated workforce, etc. Government assistance is is meant to be a temporary solution to situations such you lost your job in the recession, not lifelong or even a multigenerational lifestyle.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-22, 01:27:36

. Scotland gets more from the Exchquer than it gives in taxes.

Are you saying the Scots are a nation of spongers?
Are you recommending  this way of life to other countries?
Are you claiming such a situation is sustainable?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-22, 02:43:02
There needs to be a kindergarten section here for tt92. Maybe we should call the Irish spongers as they were not able even as an independent country able to look after themselves. They only got somewhere due to joining the EU (couldn't support themselves even after decades) and pushing the begging bowl to Europe and the EU. The bigger countries in the EU like Britain, France, Germany subsidise smaller places like Ireland. And even then the Irish messed up. There's no Celtic Tiger now it is more like a pussy cat. We in Britain had to give them a 7 billion pound loan so do try and use common sense. There are spongers everywhere so include your own place.  Do try and think first.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-22, 02:56:44
Answer the questions.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-22, 08:34:32
Are you saying the Scots are a nation of spongers?
Are you recommending  this way of life to other countries?
Are you claiming such a situation is sustainable?

1. I don't know.
2. I'm not sure.
3. Please explain that one.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-22, 08:38:55
Mr. Howie says
"Scotland gets more from the Exchquer than it gives in taxes. "
My three simple questions relate to that statement.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-22, 15:56:17

There needs to be a kindergarten section here for tt92. Maybe we should call the Irish spongers as they were not able even as an independent country able to look after themselves. They only got somewhere due to joining the EU (couldn't support themselves even after decades) and pushing the begging bowl to Europe and the EU. The bigger countries in the EU like Britain, France, Germany subsidise smaller places like Ireland. And even then the Irish messed up. There's no Celtic Tiger now it is more like a pussy cat. We in Britain had to give them a 7 billion pound loan so do try and use common sense. There are spongers everywhere so include your own place.  Do try and think first.

Uk Economic growth:

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Ireland Economic Growth:

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Ireland had a bad year in 2012 and the first half of 2013, but Ireland's per capita GDP and annual GDP growth both outstrip that of the UK. But you're mired in the past, gloating about impoverished Ireland of yesterday while  neglecting to mention it was made that way through conquest and exploitation by Britain. Is "look after" the new politically correct term for that?

Ireland's done amazing things and it's breaking your poor little Orange heart. At least you can parade once a year to celebrate a battle centuries ago that put a gay Dutch prince on British throne, if that helps.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-22, 17:45:17
One wonders what all of this has to do with the 2016 elections.
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Allegations, allegations, allegations. Wikipedia...
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Allegations of homosexuality...
During the 1690s, rumours grew of William's alleged homosexual inclinations and led to the publication of many satirical pamphlets by his Jacobite detractors. He did have several close, male associates, including two Dutch courtiers to whom he granted English titles: Hans Willem Bentinck became Earl of Portland, and Arnold Joost van Keppel was created Earl of Albemarle. These relationships with male friends, and his apparent lack of more than one mistress, led William's enemies to suggest that he might prefer homosexual relationships. William's modern biographers, however, still disagree on the veracity of these allegations, with many contending that they were just figments of his enemies' imaginations, and others suggesting there may have been some truth to the rumours.
Bentinck's closeness to William did arouse jealousies in the Royal Court at the time, but most modern historians doubt that there was a homosexual element in their relationship. William's young protege, Keppel, aroused more gossip and suspicion, being 20 years William's junior and strikingly handsome, and having risen from being a royal page to an earldom with some ease. Portland wrote to William in 1697 that "the kindness which your Majesty has for a young man, and the way in which you seem to authorise his liberties ... make the world say things I am ashamed to hear". This, he said, was "tarnishing a reputation which has never before been subject to such accusations". William tersely dismissed these suggestions, however, saying, "It seems to me very extraordinary that it should be impossible to have esteem and regard for a young man without it being criminal."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-22, 23:55:52
Sanguinemoon to accuse me of gloating on the Ireland of the past is so juvenile whilst at the same time says much about your own no doubt family tree. In practicality, Ireland was completely unable to do much about itself for many decades after independence and that IS factual. That is why the country joined the EU so that like other wee countries it could get access to the begging bowl so that is hardly principled is it? My country through what we pay into Europe was helping your homeland and it is about time you took notice of that.I have been in the Irish Republic when it went belly up and who caused that? - the Irish themselves. Unfinished buildings with empty cranes on them, rows of half built homes on housing estates, public employees having salaries chopped around 25%. Ireland was modernised by Europe and could not do it themselves. And now even more recently as I said and you ignored they got a 7 billion loan from the UK at a reasonable rate.

I am glad that Southern Ireland did improve but it was thanks to money from elsewhere and from here and you studiously ignore the practical side replacing this by a silly emotional bleat.  Meanwhile jimbro has a point on the deviation in the thread but he is a past master at the same direction! I do feel sorry for ex-colonist as there are only two parties there to "represent" and that is to be kind, unfortunate.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-23, 01:18:54
Belly up? There's a big difference between a sick man and a dead one. Now growth has resumed and apparently is apparently outpacing that of the UK, AGAIN! 7 billion? Go ahead, gloat about small loan.
. Unfinished buildings with empty cranes on them, rows of half built homes on housing estates,

Yup, sounds like what happened to Las Vegas. In LV our economic woes stemmed from a bubble burst in the real estate sector, just like in Ireland. But the recession is over and the construction cranes are back to work. A couple bad years doesn't mean the country died, Howie.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-23, 20:34:37
And now even more recently as I said and you ignored they got a 7 billion loan from the UK at a reasonable rate.

International finance is beyond me, but the US borrows (largely from China), the UK borrows, Scotland borrows, Russia borrows and China borrows, so it should be no surprise that Ireland borrows.

Please don't try to explain any of this to me. It won't help.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-23, 23:19:12

And now even more recently as I said and you ignored they got a 7 billion loan from the UK at a reasonable rate.

International finance is beyond me, but the US borrows (largely from China), the UK borrows, Scotland borrows, Russia borrows and China borrows, so it should be no surprise that Ireland borrows.

Please don't try to explain any of this to me. It won't help.

Would it help if someone who spoke English tried to explain it?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-25, 00:58:29
Please don't try to explain any of this to me. It won't help.

There are some who call fiat currency the banking equivalent of everybody getting by by taking in someone else's laundry... :)

(They're usually the ones who then say that means bye bye to a stable economy...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-25, 01:21:12
The explanation is far simpler than discussing the pros and cons of fiat currency. Howie's just got this bizarre anti-Irish streak and he'll use anything he can against the country.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-25, 03:54:29

Talk about ignorance?!
Anyway to the point Sanguinemoon.  I would say this. Many moons ago in the previous Opera Forum I actually complimented Southern Ireland for at last throwing off the yoke of the black dressed men and widened it's political and democratic structure. My passing criticism today is because it was the Irish themselves who done in their own economy and situation. In the past I have in my complimenting said that they had got out of a historical straight jacket and vastly different from what it used to be over the decades. You choose to ignore this because it does not suit your closed Irish-American mind and though I would pat Ireland on the general back I am not ignoring their own self created and unfortunate mess. It is vastly different in many ways and more democratic than that place across the pond. As a wee boy I can recall a day trip pver the Border and women with shalws  and poverty and an envy at prices over the Border. Today it is modern, educated and freer of the useless interference and nasty control of the Church.

So because I comment on the way they went bonkers over the Celtic Tiger stuff I am put into a corner?? It is not just a case of ignoring what I previously said positively about the South so do try and be a bit more sensible. Ireland has moved on from the Sanguinemoon emotional daftness of the past and good for that. GB and Eire are closer and have better relations and well may that continue. As for tt92 he craftily goes silent on his roots before Australia.......
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-25, 05:51:04

. As for tt92 he craftily goes silent on his roots before Australia.......

We all can see that this sentence is meaningless.
For the record, and for those of us who care, when you wrote this sentence, did you actually mean anything?
If so, could you try to re-state it in a way that would mean something to somebody?
Anybody?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-25, 07:08:13
tt92, would you please give me the entire history of your genome, so that I can know if you're trustworthy... Or give me half, and I'll be half-satisfied. :)
There's a little more, that almost everyone else understands: People in Glasgow (...specially, those who've never reproduced) are wildly against -- everything that they couldn't do, when they were young!
Yes, that sounds stupid; and it likely is... But -- there it is!

Howie is who he is; but he won't be for much longer. (Likewise, me...)

Can we discuss the Fate of the World? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-25, 07:41:07
First, there was Adam.
I believe he had the full set of DNA.
Then there was Eve.
Much less relevant, since she had only a rib's worth, and it was pure Adam anyway.
Then there were some unexplained and inexplicable incestuous couplings in the dark recesses of the local caves for generations, stirring up and remixing the same genetic sludge that we all share, and then there was me.
Trustworthy enough?
Allowances must be made for the Scots.
Most go to Primary School, where they are taught a language that resembles, in many respects, English. It is sufficient for one Scot to converse with another Scot, but any attempt to write it on paper results in gibberish.
Most Scots then go on to Secondary School where attempts are made to teach them a form of written English. A high proportion of these tender innocents quickly realise the enormity of the task, (not least the amount of unlearning that must precede the new learning) and give up.
So we have a nation of unschooled individuals with unrealised potential, suitable for menial tasks but unable to express themselves.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-27, 00:50:50
You know fine well why you hide your ancestry. Anyway you did give me a laugh on an Aussie talking about speaking English. Strangulated would be a concise assessment.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-27, 01:15:42
If he has Irish ancestors or not, what does it matter? Is it something to be ashamed of? Why did you hijack this thread with such ignorance, anyway? It's ridiculous.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-03-27, 14:21:05

If he has Irish ancestors or not, what does it matter? Is it something to be ashamed of? Why did you hijack this thread with such ignorance, anyway? It's ridiculous.

What did you expect from His Imperious Majesty, Tsar Billy-Bob I. of the CSA? :left:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-03-27, 14:55:03

If he has Irish ancestors or not, what does it matter? Is it something to be ashamed of? Why did you hijack this thread with such ignorance, anyway? It's ridiculous.


Well-- he HAD to. See, it's like this: When you're losing an argument because you haven't got anything meaningful to bring to the table, the surest way to side-track things is to call the opponent's ancestry into question. By implying that the opponent comes from less than pure stock-- and may in fact be on an inferior race-- you hope to get the discussion away from  whatever you were losing on and into something else.

This may work on folk who live in places-- like Australia, the United States and New Zealand, just to name a few--where intermarriage between different people groups has probably happened if the person you're calling out because of ancestry has relatives who have been there long enough.

My ancestry contains Scottish and American Indian for sure. My father's people have been here long enough that I'm 6th generation American-- that gives a lot of time for mixing with somebody else. I only know "for sure" to my Grandfather/Grandmother on that side. My mother's side---- well, that's a bit of a question. She was adopted when she was 5, and pulling any actual family history was a bit of a project. I have what little I have from debatable sources-- my aunt never being among the most truthful of story-tellers.

Kinda fits though. This thread is about American politics, and as we all know candidates for the presidency are not usually found among the most truthful of story-tellers. I expect some whoppers to be told from both sides and all candidates before this is said and done.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-03-27, 15:08:37

This may work on folk who live in places-- like Australia, the United States and New Zealand, just to name a few--where intermarriage between different people groups has probably happened if the person you're calling out because of ancestry has relatives who have been there long enough.

Absolutely nobody of european descent can seriously claim pure anything ( whatever 'pure' is supposed to mean here ). There were quite a few factors that mixed things up. A lot. Even Billy-Bob might have heard of some (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations) of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire) them (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period).
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2015-03-27, 15:21:46
Did you hear about Craig Cobb, the neo-nazi white supremacist who found out on national television that he's 14 percent black? I wonder what a DNA test of Howie will reveal.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-03-27, 15:27:21

Did you hear about Craig Cobb, the neo-nazi white supremacist who found out on national television that he's 14 percent black? I wonder what a DNA test of Howie will reveal.

He probably won't like it. (http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry).
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-03-27, 19:48:19
I've read rj's drivel again.
I've missed something. Again.
I can't see anything that refers to Irish ancestry.
It is a puzzlement.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-28, 00:16:28
Drivel is your way of covering stupidity from down under.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-28, 01:03:32
Whereas a Howie is proud of his drivel and stupidity, both! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2015-03-28, 17:02:55
A pompous blowhard named RJ
Wrote commentary (none too kind), I must say.
A Hielands xenophob for sure
And it seemed there no cure,
When they found his head was cranachan souffle. 
:knight:  :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-29, 03:40:42
Nice try Oakdale but an interesting way to cover your inabilities. Prefer it when you are occasionally sober then we can get an asnwer.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-29, 04:01:23
Prefer it when you are occasionally sober then we can get an asnwer.

You don't pose actual questions, RJ... And you certainly didn't ask one of me here. (Which is alright, since you don't have the ability or patience to read "asnwers".)

There is an inability that I sometimes wish I could "cover": Why can't I suffer fools gladly? :)

BTW: If you think you asked a question, either repeat it or link to its location.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-03-30, 01:01:12
I don't pose questions??

Thank goodness I am teetotal as that is an extra daft comment to keep me away.  :faint:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-03-30, 04:02:35
Then what was your question?
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[edit]
It's been two days, and you can neither recall nor find it? :)
And you wonder that I can't take you seriously!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-03-31, 14:35:53
Then what was your question?

Quote from: Rjhowie
What is the sound of one hand clapping?

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2015-03-31, 17:47:13
What is the sound of one hand clapping?


The same as for two.   :knight:  :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-04-01, 17:59:47
Kinda hate to take a cheap shot, but this is---...

Well, it's sorta like this. I seem to recall reading of an Asian doctor who couldn't pronounce "L", and it always  came out sounding like "R".

According to this doctor, RJHowie suffers from Ed Zachary disease.

RJ's brand of monarchy "Rooks Ed Zachary rike" Marxism/Leninism/Stalinism socialism. It has ALL of the same characteristics that I expect to see in one of the socialist papers that got handed out back in the day when I worked in a union shop, and the local Marxist/Leninist/Stalinist contingent was trying to stir as much unrest as they possibly could among the ranks.

Ed Zachary.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-04-01, 21:57:40
Kinda hate to take a cheap shot, but this is---...

At Rj. No you don't!
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-03, 02:03:24
The cheap shots wouldn't be so bad if they were not often daft in themselves and there have been times the man from that dodgy police force city of Chicago has been caught out.  I have argued face to face with Communists and others who find a few big words to try and impress us all with! As for my "brand of monarchy" - eh?? Just shows what the average Joe in the ex-colonies really knows outside of duh and eh? Are you saying that the Monarchy I live in is something bad? We have a broader parliamentary system than you lot and a Head of state rating 80% - something impossible over the water. On top of that the population turns out in droves when the Queen goes over there, ha ha, you are brilliant mjsmsprt40. The man in my heading the great William Prince of Orange who became king William 3rd produced the British of Rights. That in itself turned out to be a influence on you lot when you decided to be ex-colonist. Don't bother with a thanks however but at least your founders were helped.

Even more strident monarchies in your blinkered view such as the one you had a wee dig at recently the old Russian one  is amusing. In the old opera Forum I actually stated that a leading US writer (with name) had intimated that the last Emperor was complimented by the US President for the gradual changes being made, increasing rights, industrial and agriculture growth and other advancements. You didn't answer that because you hadn't a clue. Some 70% f land was actually owned by the organised peasantry not as you would probably grasp  - the rich. Just shows what a bit education practice does in a land where they are taught they are the greatest. It was the same when i also mentioned that those posh and cumfy rich Yanks that met in Philadelphia actually discussed the idea of a European prince as Head of State.

Ach now laddie  don't you worry my friend it is not your fault maybe just the system!  :lol:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-03, 04:35:14
the great William Prince of Orange who became king William 3rd produced the British [...?] of Rights [...]

You mean (of course you would, were you an educated man...) the Scottish Claim of Rights... Not the British Bill of Rights (which, if you'd read it, will likely seem less than you think it is). The Claim, that allowed Scotland to give a lawyer's reason allowing William and Mary to be accepted as sovereigns -- because James II had "abdicated".
Don't bother with a thanks however but at least your founders were helped.

We were, many of us, Englishmen who expected our rights as such to be respected. Our "sovereign" and his supposedly fair parliament disagreed... The rest is history.
Put another way, we helped ourselves! (You might have heard the phrase somewhere else, but your liturgy probably bungles it... :) )

I'm not sure with whom you're arguing about monarchies and other forms of government. Certainly, not me: I care for the rule of law, limited government and individual rights. Oh, and economic freedom -- which matters nothing to you, a life-long government employee... These can be secured by any form of government, for a generation or two...

I can't say a presidential/separated powers/constitutional form of government like ours is the ideal. (Pigs should rightfully feel that bacon is not the ideal garnish...) What I do say is that the older forms don't suit us.
those posh and comfy rich Yanks that met in Philadelphia actually discussed the idea of a European prince as Head of State
Have you a source to support your contention?
If all you mean is that they referred to the offer of kingship to General George Washington -- who gently refused it! (A little more of a man than your William, eh?) Even Georgie 3 admired him, for that! :)
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What i'd suggest is that you read Hal clement's short novel, Close to Critical.

But that's history, not TeeVee. How would you know? :) I mean, the difference?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-04, 01:10:51
Years back the BBC  did a documentary on the American Revolution and was provided in association with Times-News I think it was Oakdale. So I wasn't making something up even if it sounds odd but then the way you run the damn place is odd so shouldn't be a problem! It was also comfortable people money-wise who did the Boston tea baloney and the same series pointed out something I already knew. That point was that it was a minority that wanted the revolution and won it - rough a third and in the same rough terms a third were against it. The rest couldn't have cared a damn who ran the place. Large numbers of anti-revolution Americans had to flee or get burned out thus heading north for Canada. When you lot thought you would invade Canada in the early 1800's many of those that fought you were the same Americans forced out. They gave you a good kick on the backside!

Whatever great principles that were put out by the starters of the US have been completely lost in today's American society. It is money that runs the place now not the people. Every Presidential Election they stuff that a candidate comes out with will be a new age a new future and great direction. In practice that is a load of cobblers and the place just stumbles on with the people having less and less in the actual running of the place. Time after time lobby people and the politicians will move from one side to the other and it is all about money. When it comes to practical things like commercialism, agriculture, etc it is the big boys who get preference due to that floating between lobby and politician. A few years ago a government official responsible for rights was charged because the companies he was meant to be keeping an eye on were the same ones he had a stake in!  If you are a small company or a small farmer you are into a hiding because it is no longer a proper people democracy but a system of select pals. No small wonder that last election poll was so low.

Many have been brought up on the principles of the Revolution but have failed to see that the people no longer control the political system. Others have got round to sussing out they have been taken over and more power to them. Even an ordinary person wanting to stand for a position on that posh 'Hill would need well over a million dollars to be considered so what does that tell in practicality?? Years ago back in the 1950's I referred to President Eisenhower warning of the danger that corporates threatened the democracy of the nation (jimbro mentioned it in a later item on the Opera Forum think it was). My answer kind of says it all and what was lauded over two centuries ago has been overtaken by cosy money chums and the people treated like mugs. What you now have is not a reasonable capitalist system but one for the cosy political rich and the rest can suffer especially those not doing so well. Sad really.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-04, 01:31:11
[...] it was a minority that wanted the revolution and won it - rough a third and in the same rough terms a third were against it. The rest couldn't have cared a damn who ran the place.
You actually got some history (mostly) right! I'm impressed.
(I'm not so much ragging on you, RJ, as bemoaning your reliance on your telly for information...)

The rest of your post -as usual- focused on "the moneyed interests" -- that's your schtick! I suppose it keeps you safely off the streets, which is probably a good thing for all concerned. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-05, 01:25:58
It doesn't matter a jot whether it is television, a book or a speech the principle IS the same and fine you know it boyo. You grudgingly have to admit whilst trying to make an excuse so neatly tried! Oh and as it happens I got a certificate at Senior Secondary School fir history anyway.  :D
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-05, 04:01:01
It doesn't matter a jot whether it is television, a book or a speech the principle IS the same and fine you know it boyo.

The principle is the same, but the interest is different! :)
Oh and as it happens I got a certificate at Senior Secondary School fir history anyway.   :D
Congratulations! But, that long ago, there was so much less history... Badda-bing!

Those who debated the Constitution obviously -and quite naturally- had the English Bill of Rights in mind; hence some of the differences.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-04-05, 04:20:42

I got a certificate at Senior Secondary School fir history anyway.  :D

I googled "fir history". Quite an interesting subject.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-04-05, 13:19:11
It doesn't matter a jot whether it is television, a book or a speech the principle IS the same and fine you know it boyo. You grudgingly have to admit whilst trying to make an excuse so neatly tried!

Sounds like something that could of been written by Dr. Seuss.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-06, 02:05:52
Well every person will not conjure up something out of hot air and will refer to a book, television, radio or film. Even when i mentioned a book and gave a link to the torture camp run by Yankland in 1945 that seen 900,000 German soldiers die it wass danced round. It is a great country over there for nut jobbing brains and shows up here!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-06, 07:25:33
What was that link, again?

And what was your point? That Americans committed atrocities (somewhat) equivalent to those of history's greatest villains -- at least, in small effect; which makes those others "not so bad"!

Would you absolve Lenin, Stalin and Mao in order to castigate the U.S.? :)
I think you would.
(Did you lose a family member to America's lures, once upon a time?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-07, 03:14:04
If i find the link will intimate it here but it must still be in my starting thread so have a hunt.

Do I claim the USA is worse than people like Stalin, etc What a daft thing to say as in the past i have pointed out that anything that happened in the 3r Reich in WW2 was pale compared to what the Bolshevik crowd of evil gits did. They killed far more than the Nazis. But before you start going to excuse note this.

America was in the same war as us and fighting against evil politicians, high principles and such but what does it do in 1945 ? Along with the French have 900,000 German soldiers suffer and die in a vast death camp. So if a supposedly democratic country does t that is a principle? Duh. Mind you it was ludicrous that in fighting a racist dictatorship in Germany you separated black soldiers as the whites didn't want to fight with them! When i mentioned the book on that dreadful camp it was  body swerved and when i gave the link showing the beatings, treatment, etc again a dance followed. So producing links means damn all here.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-07, 04:07:24
If i find the link will intimate it here but it must still be in my starting thread so have a hunt.
No need, unless you want to re-read your own words... :)

(Google is my friend!) Other Loses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses) is the name of the book. And you, Howie, are as I've known for quite some while a very credulous cuss. :)
(You might read this review (https://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html), if the Wiki page is too complicated... :) )

Now, sir: Do you remember that this thread's topic is our upcoming presidential election? (And that Ike isn't running...?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-04-07, 21:40:07
Rand Paul is expected to announce his candidacy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-08, 03:41:53
I sorta like Rand Paul (like I sorta liked his loony dad...). But to hear fellow conservatives applaud his presumption is akin to marvel at the tail-between-the-legs posture of the Republican party -- facing a Hillary Clinton candidacy... :)

But to explain what I've just said would take quite a while and -just now- I don't have the time.

Suffice it to say (for the nonce) that Rand needs a couple of decades of "seasoning".

Cruz and Walker (of Wisconsin) are legitimate contenders, I think.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-04-08, 05:43:30
I don't think that anything substantial will change with the American (and many other) elections.
Elections turned some sort of Olympic games for the newly rich while the populace applauds. Roman circus was much better, at least they had a sense of spectacle and grandeur.

Icelanders are an healthy exception, they arrested their prime minister.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-04-08, 08:48:31
.....Rand needs a couple of decades of "seasoning".....


Hmmmmmmm.......

I think that would depend on how close he & his dad are.

From a quick biographical read on Rand, they were, & still are fairly close, though not exactly a clone of all his father's Libertarian views, Rand nevertheless was very active & individually outspoken from his fathers offices.

Having a parent in politics for quite a few years would amply supply a fair amount of "seasoning" via family life experiences, not to mention his own high profile successful Senate term....no?

Specializing in cataract surgery, glaucoma surgery LASIK surgery, & corneal transplant most probably would rate an above average intellect, which has to account for far more that our present BHO.

We also know where he was born.......for certain, & that he is a baptized, practicing, devout Christian.

That may be detrimental to him here on this forum, but in Presidential Politics, one seeking a positive National acceptance, that can't hurt a bit.

I'd say, at the very least, he rates a good hard look. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/Read%20the%20paper_smile28.gif)      (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/exitstageright.gif)






 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-08, 11:52:04
I've given him a good hard look: He's myopic!
Being able to "fix" the eyes of others, that they might see as well as they can, doesn't make him able to see better than anyone else!
His lack of experience would -at best- make him another Jimmy Carter. (You remember what happened, when he was president? :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-04-09, 00:27:07
(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hmm.gif) Carter??........(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/imthinkin6.gif) Carter???

(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hitqt9.gif)....... Ah yes, Jimmy Carter!!! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/Dance07.gif)

Jimmy Carter ......... The Peanut Farmer ....... The son of  Bessie Lillian Gordy-Carter, the wife of Rose, the brother of (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/firefart.gif) Billy :belch: .......

The SECOND WORST (second only to BHO) President in all of our American History! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/Screamer02.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-09, 06:29:25
And look who cam after a damn actor and idiocy in high office. Says much too.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-04-09, 09:21:44

Icelanders are an healthy exception, they arrested their prime minister.

Hmm, Americans were even more strict in the past. They've simply shot some of their Presidents.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-04-09, 22:06:29


Icelanders are an healthy exception, they arrested their prime minister.

Hmm, Americans were even more strict in the past. They've simply shot some of their Presidents.


Well said krake... let's hope they do it again, instead shooting inoffensive citizens.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-04-13, 17:06:04
2016...It's comin' folks.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: string on 2015-04-13, 19:19:13
Sarah against Hilary would be nice.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-04-13, 20:17:50
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-04-13, 20:36:31
Sarah against Hilary would be nice.

And I used to think that you were a decent chap.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-04-13, 23:09:44
Keep cool Jim :)

Quote
If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal.

Emma Goldman


You'll get the best President money can buy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-13, 23:28:23
You have hit the nail on the head with that one krake! Only people with money can stand over there and shows the folly of the system. We had a Prime minister once who had been a bus conductor in younger days but nobody can stand for election in that Congress or Senate entertainment without being super rich. Tells one much and the money that will be spent on this White House thing will be over a billion.  Disgusting. .Now Clinton has intimated she is standing should be interesting and who knows maybe she might fail a second time? In practical terms she has a bit of a history does she not. Meanwhile there is a whole squad on the Republican side. What is over there that patriarchal families are getting routine?

In the end it will not make one jot of a difference and whoever wins will come out with the usual cobbler stuff about a new age a new future the way ahead stuff. Happens every time. It is all a bit like the Roman Empire when the Senate cobbled together by the rich and powerful and the ordinary had no part in the thing. Good comparison!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-04-14, 02:18:56
I can't wait for all the shit that's gunna stir when Slick Willy's whore,  whore "What Difference Does It Make"  Clinton, starts her assault on the Presidential Bidet!



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No holds barred in 2016!!!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-04-14, 07:50:53
Politics in the US is, like life in the state of nature,
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solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.


But somebody tell me where it is more civil. Germany? The UK?  Canada?
http://rabble.ca/columnists/2015/03/beyond-dirty-politics-harperism-threatens-democracy-itself (http://rabble.ca/columnists/2015/03/beyond-dirty-politics-harperism-threatens-democracy-itself)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-14, 11:40:09
Unfortunately your system is the most challenging even allowing for the fact that nowhere can be perfect.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-04-14, 16:58:36
Unfortunately your system is the most challenging even allowing for the fact that nowhere can be perfect.

Spring Hill, Tennessee, is perfect now that I'm here.
:D
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-15, 06:31:26
Words of wisdom: Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good! :)

(It's a laughing matter, and we -most of us- know who are likely to have no sense of humor...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-15, 20:59:22
Sounds good jimbro but the only loose thing is it makes you sound a bit like the Pope.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-16, 06:33:04
RJ, is there anything short of being a Howie clone that would make you able to understand anyone else? :)
Some of our states (and some of our counties even in some of our more prosperous states) are as poor as your country. And as proud! You can understand that, can't you?
Why do you expend so much of your time and attention upon us?

Are you that disgusted with your own...? :)

(You needn't be: You're an outlier...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-16, 13:37:39
Well Oakdale you are the country that stomps around the globe starting wars, increasing terrorism, attacks countries you don't see as democratic and doesn't look after their people. However the practice is contradictory to your chest beating and constant flag waving. Right now tens of thousands of poor workers are marching in cities all over your place. They are claiming the rich are richer and they are struggling which isn't supposed to happen to them apparently! Bottom of the pile and usually ignored along with the million annually losing homes, 40 million poor out of over 300 million population,an average of a solider a day committing sucicide, black persecution . I have said repeatedly here and it does not register with those of you who are dumbed by the propaganda it is a total hypocrisy. Indeed I have said if you backed of a bit from world interference, corporate world greed and looked after all those millions instead you would get automatic respect as a nation but nope that won't happen.  If you did those positives you would be more highly regarded and respected but it is beyond the mindset of folk like yourself and a couple of others here (not all). If you are telling me the tens of thousands of struggling low paid workers are proud then you should have listened to some of their comments.

At a stroke you could neutralise my stance but cannot. Instead if some country does not take on board your idea of a system then they are in for it and the wars push all those suffering in the often heralded "greatest country" even further down the chain. The super nationalism of you, Smiley, etc only emphasise the hypocrisy instead of being more practical. So start looking after your own massive numbers of losing people instead of the military and corporate string pullers. That would do America great and gain respect and admiration. You have lost all the regard once held after WW2 so maybe ask yourself why instead of trying to shut me up with practicing daftness!

Get you hand on the heart and use the other to wave the flag whilst telling all those losing out in the land of the free and home of the brave how lucky they are...... :faint: :doh:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-04-17, 03:46:59
Get back to me, after WW III... You know, the one that happens -- without the U.S. being concerned, because we've become too meek and dispirited to take a hand.
I don't want your respect: You're a fool!
If your politicians are like you, they have no use to anyone but those who'd die comfortably knowing the world would not long outlive them.
Your vanity and venality are "ginormous" -- and your head is filled with so many prejudices that there's no room left to constructive thought.
Your attempts at destructive thought are pitiful. But you know that...

Why are you so bitter?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-04-17, 12:41:37
Get back to me, after WW III... You know, the one that happens -- without the U.S. being concerned, because we've become too meek and dispirited to take a hand.
I don't want your respect: You're a fool!
If your politicians are like you, they have no use to anyone but those who'd die comfortably knowing the world would not long outlive them.
Your vanity and venality are "ginormous" -- and your head is filled with so many prejudices that there's no room left to constructive thought.
Your attempts at destructive thought are pitiful. But you know that...

Why are you so bitter?

But beyond all that, I respect and like you. :)
See you later in Every Thread Goes Bad.....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-04-17, 18:23:38
Oh you are so well at showing how too many ex-colonists are brought up Oakdale. A simple emotional aspect whereany strong opinion is immediately put in the bitter corner. Not surprised your political system is run by corporates and no great depth of anything much. What actually goes on in the country is in such an in the face opposite to all the flair about what the constitution stands for. Time after time the internal affairs of the country make the global aspect so easily put in the hypocrisy folder. That there was a comment in the forum that the folk at the bottom are still greatly loyal kind of says much to my view. If you folk are unable to answer what are strong points and grumble at being shown then you have more of a problem thank you realise.

Try living in the real world my boy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-05-03, 23:39:00
In the event it hasn't been posted, Vermont's Bernie Sanders (Independent, though an admitted Socialist) is now going to challenge SF's favorite former First Lady.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-04, 01:34:20
Well she could do with some kind of challenge in principle.

She has always been a bit aloof and sometimes she would have a stare that looked down on folk. I did notice recently she was probably aware of that because she was trying to be seen with the man in the street kind of thing. She also has some odd hangovers from the time before she was First lady. I remember well when she visited the Balkans during the trouble she gave a story about how dangerous it was and that her official plane was shot at. However that turned out to be a damn lie. More recently that terrible thing see on television reports on the comments regarding Libya and the death of Gaddafi. Childish and ridiculous.

Will add this. The ex-colonist bent on family patriarchal stuff is still there so may I tell that there is a Monarchist association in the ex-colonies and would be more understandable than in a supposedly republic....!

:queen:  ;)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-05-04, 09:42:58
While I suspect the Chinese might have a Republican bent overall, it seems that Grandma Clinton has some personal popularity in China, more on likeability than on politics. Since 1.3 billion Chinese can't vote for their own leaders, maybe they might be allowed to vote in US elections, as a consolation prize?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-05, 06:31:46
And the Chinese had a regard for the Republican President Nixon
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-05-08, 19:34:18
Just so everyone is up to speed, the lineups are as follows:

Republican Candidates:

1. Rand Paul

2. Mike Huckabee

3. Ted Cruz

4. Marco Rubio

5. (Unofficially) Jeb Bush



Democratic Candidates:

1. Hillary (aka Billary) Clinton

2. Bernie Sanders  (S)

3. Colorado's Governor/former Governor, whose name escapes me at the moment



Libertarian Candidate:

1. Gary Johnson
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-20, 19:27:37
And I hope they don't come up with that 'yes we can' cobblers. Obama has ended up a more control freak than his predecessor. Each Presidential circus come out with the stuff on a new direction and all sorts of repeated slogans but doesn't happen. The two party monolithic regimes are out of damn date. The voting percentages last time on the 'Hill showed that but the people are stuck with the system.

Hilary Clinton makes me groan and has been a liar in the past and surely Americans cannot be taken in with her softly, softly approach. With all these patricial families it kind of makes a republic look funny. Maybe Colonel Rebel could bypass his employment frustration by being a candidate.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-05-20, 20:13:13

And I hope they don't come up with that 'yes we can' cobblers. Obama has ended up a more control freak than his predecessor. Each Presidential circus come out with the stuff on a new direction and all sorts of repeated slogans but doesn't happen. The two party monolithic regimes are out of damn date. The voting percentages last time on the 'Hill showed that but the people are stuck with the system.

Hilary Clinton makes me groan and has been a liar in the past and surely Americans cannot be taken in with her softly, softly approach. With all these patricial families it kind of makes a republic look funny. Maybe Colonel Rebel could bypass his employment frustration by being a candidate.


"Yes we can" and "Hope and change" were Obama campaign slogans. The next candidates have to come up with something a little different. If for no other reason than that somebody might ask what the candidate can, and what exactly he/she hopes to change.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-05-20, 21:34:37
what exactly he/she hopes to change.

You seriously think that the candidate might be a 'she'?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-05-20, 23:02:23

what exactly he/she hopes to change.

You seriously think that the candidate might be a 'she'?


It sorta depends. How suicidal are the major parties? How suicidal are any optional parties? I wouldn't put it past the Democrat Party to put Hillary in because "it's her turn"-- forgetting how that reasoning worked out for Bob Dole when he was the Republican candidate. (Bob Dole was a good man, no doubt--- but by the time he became the Republican candidate even his best friend would have had to admit that Bob's train had left the station probably a decade back.) Now-- if the Dems choose Hillary--- as I suspect they just might-- who will the Republicans choose as a "Hillary stopper"? My guess is that if there's a skirt available she'll get a chance--- and we the people may be in big trouble. Out of the guys presently showing on the Republican ticket, only Jeb Bush really makes me wince. Enough of either the Clinton or the Bush dynasty--- send them both home.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-05-22, 15:11:28
What's wrong with the good old intermarriage? Go for the Clinton-Bush ticket.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-05-23, 03:29:01

What's wrong with the good old intermarriage? Go for the Clinton-Bush ticket.


That brings back a memory. Chekov has just brushed back a jacket covering a name on an apparently abandoned ship on a desert planet. His next words, upon seeing the name of the ship-- Botany Bay-- are, and I quote "Oh, no". That's somewhat the feeling your Clinton/Bush ticket idea gives me. Only I'm not sure that Clinton/Bush would be as good for us as Khan was to Chekov and his superior when they arrived on the scene.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-05-23, 04:06:04
You might, mjm, have to explain one or two of your references... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-23, 04:41:14
I sometimes think that it doesn't matter a lot which of the 2 stock lots win the ordinary person is just a pawn?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-05-24, 06:58:53
You've figured out British politics! Good for you, Howie! (Took you long enough... :) )

Get up on your soap-box and change things, why don't you?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-24, 23:49:00
Dancing again.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-05-26, 02:56:33
Nope! Watching you do so... And I must say so: you're not the least bit graceful! Two left feet, I suppose.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-26, 21:56:45
Well you do emphasise the type of ex-colonist who cannot think for himself or properly. I have stood in elections here and as it happens there is a local amusing side to the two left feet and describes an RC which I am not! In addition my party is not lefty but there again we have a wider system. On a lesser note I once won a dancing competition so dear grey cells dumbell another wasted attempt by you. Whilst you flop around looking for your brains I will be out for an exercising walk and meet people. Friday I will be elected to an office in yet another organisation whilst you in turn stagnate. And anyway can you walk with 2 feet out of the chair and away from the John Barcleycorn??

As for your Presidential thing it is a ridiculous and over the top load of cobblers. Like a circus gone mad. Here we have proper party conferences not the nonsense you have and at each Presidential Election it is the same thing over and over. How you are going to move forward with high principles, the mental waving of the flag, near tears and emotional stuff about the stars n' stripes, blah, blah. They only change the wording each time and stuck with 2 parties who are in turn controlled by the money barons. That the Democrats are regarded by many outside as the lesser of two evils is hardly a compliment!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-05-26, 22:37:18
How odd. RJH says he isn't a Leftist, but he sounds exactly like a Leftist.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-05-26, 22:52:23
On a lesser note I once won a dancing competition

This man is incredible... no one believes me when I say I know him.

In the Vatican, the Pope waves to a huge multitude. rjhowie stands at His right side.
Who's that guy, asks someone.
The guy in white? I don't know but the other is rjhowie...
....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-05-27, 13:50:17

How odd. RJH says he isn't a Leftist, but he sounds exactly like a Leftist.

A leftist adoring Baroness Thatcher?  :left:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-05-28, 08:28:34
A leftist adoring Baroness Thatcher?   :left:
Continental Drift, sir! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-29, 03:17:38
Must say that both mjsmsprt40 and Oakdale are both neat redneck Republicans won the GB General election but then we have a wider democracy than over there. As I pointed out a short time ago anything outside of your limited political hegemony namely Rockwell, is leftist. Smal wonder the money barons keep you under control.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-05-29, 03:28:31
Who is this Rockwell you speak of, Oh Oracular One? :)
we have a wider democracy than over there
"My wife is so wide that when she sits around the house, she sits around the house!" (You need new writers, RJ...)

The question is not one of "widest" but of better... And I don't believe you have the intellectual tools to make such a determination.
But don't feel too bad. There are others in similar situations, and surely some of them will expire even before you!
That should make you happy enough.

But it won't be us. You'll have to make do with a lesser schadenfreude...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-04, 08:01:23
Dancing again....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-04, 08:20:35

Who is this Rockwell you speak of, Oh Oracular One? :

I wondered about that
Was it Norman Rockwell, prolific illustrator for The Saturday Evening Post?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-04, 08:43:05
I like the terminology... But, RJ, "dancing" being a nice appellation for prevarication -- I've used it myself -- there's something you always fail to take into account: History.
Your political leaders have set your course. Ours only think they have set ours... You folk are "sheeple" and I admit we are too damn close to becoming the same. But it's often been a bad bet to count us out.

Your country has the great advantage (if that's what you'd call it...) of not being important to anyone else in the world! Congrats! You've achieved your long-sought goal: Utter mediocrity.
You could be a poster boy! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-04, 08:52:21
Was it Norman Rockwell, prolific illustrator for The Saturday Evening Post?
Nah! I have to admit that I immediately knew he was referring to Lew Rockwell, the founder of the von Mises Institute (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Mises_Institute): That RJ just "discovered" it this year is typical and telling.
The American politician most promoted and most represented on this site is Ron Paul -- who, apparently, Howie thinks we Americans should have elevated to executive power...
Never trust a Glaswegian to advise you on matters political! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-06-04, 12:33:05

Never trust a Glaswegian to advise you on matters political! :)


Sound advice. Keep in mind that the number of Glaswegians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Glaswegians) is significantly higher than 1, and comprises political inadvisables like Adam Smith and Niall Ferguson, the recent killer of black youth.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-05, 08:15:04
I am content with your built-in dopiness Oakdale and knew about the Nazi Rockwell years ago. You don't really have a proper electoral system at all and is just a wee present from the corporates to keep you lot feeling it is democracy. We got all the attacks on GW Bush as President and then along came Obama and all that "yes we can" guff. He has killed more with drones than Bush did, restricted personal freedoms more as well. The CSA like other groups have bounced by the Constitution when suited than Bush. More people coming out to tell what is going on have been charged under Obama as well. All goes to show how easy you lot can be conned by a circus passing for a system. What a choice -Republicans and Democrats.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-05, 08:28:08
"The CSA like other groups have bounced by the Constitution when suited than Bush."
Starts with a capital letter and finishes with a full stop.
Was it meant to be a sentence? Was it meant to mean something? Was it a cunning test to check if we are paying attention?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-05, 11:27:45
"The CSA like other groups have bounced by the Constitution when suited than Bush."

TT, it's a test for Scottish citizenship. If you know what the sentence means, you instantly become a citizen.

Most people have difficulty with "when suited than Bush." Admittedly, some have problems with "bounced by the Constitution."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-05, 19:49:55



TT, it's a test for Scottish citizenship. If you know what the sentence means, you instantly become a citizen.



Thanks for clearing that up.
For the record, what is FIRST prize?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-06, 02:40:00
For the record, what is FIRST prize?
:)
...I'm still somewhat curious how "CIA" became "CSA". Even typing with one's knuckles doesn't make that likely. (Howie, what were you doing with you right hand...? :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-06, 14:02:21
For the record, what is FIRST prize?

A fully paid week at the Astro motel.
(https://mbeachbywordofmouth.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/astromotel21.jpg)
And 21 meals at...
(https://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/mcdonalds-getty.jpg?w=480&h=320&crop=1)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-06, 16:59:19
With all the alphabet soup we have for intelligence and security these days, I'm almost surprised an American doesn't get it confused. "CSA" is the unholy offspring that results when the CIA and the TSA have a tryst at the Astro Motel.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-06-06, 23:50:47

For the record, what is FIRST prize?
:)
...I'm still somewhat curious how "CIA" became "CSA". Even typing with one's knuckles doesn't make that likely. (Howie, what were you doing with you right hand...? :) )


(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/JerkOFF.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/little-rocking-monkey.gif) Snappin' 'is carrot to the beat of the rockin' monkey.....that's his 23 hour long  'Constitutional'  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-11, 03:22:04

Must say that both mjsmsprt40 and Oakdale are both neat redneck Republicans won the GB General election but then we have a wider democracy than over there. As I pointed out a short time ago anything outside of your limited political hegemony namely Rockwell, is leftist. Smal wonder the money barons keep you under control.

May I be the first to offer my congratulations to mjmsprt40 and Oakdale on the apparently new Coalition Gov't they have formed.

Also congrats on the new citizenship?

Many thanks to @Luxor for pointing out the new anthem for the new Coalition gov't  :beer: :
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-11, 06:26:33
This is -ostensibly- a thread about the 2016 U.S. presidential election? (If you disagree, please skip this post -- and others I might make here.)
I'm a Republican -in the sense that I'm a conservative and I have not only a fondness for those who are now called Libertarians- but remember when Liberals agreed with me! The labels don't matter much to me.
I haven't changed much.

So the troglodytes have a clear target, I would support Cruz, Rubio or Walker. (I'd be wary of any of the others...) Do your darnedest! (Ye wee willie winkies! :) You -of course- know better how to run the world... You've done such a good job, before! :) ))

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-11, 12:52:43


Must say that both mjsmsprt40 and Oakdale are both neat redneck Republicans won the GB General election but then we have a wider democracy than over there. As I pointed out a short time ago anything outside of your limited political hegemony namely Rockwell, is leftist. Smal wonder the money barons keep you under control.

May I be the first to offer my congratulations to mjmsprt40 and Oakdale on the apparently new Coalition Gov't they have formed.

Also congrats on the new citizenship?

Many thanks to @Luxor for pointing out the new anthem for the new Coalition gov't  :beer: :


Now how do you like that? Without even running, Oakdale and I manage to get elected and form a government. What next? OK, assuming this to be true--- in fantasyland ANYTHING can be true--I suppose you could do worse than a Redneck government with us at the head of it.

Now back to the real world: Oakdale mentions some candidates in the Republican primary that he likes. Of those, one--Governor Walker-- just might get my primary vote because he's the one I know most about. Hey-- he's just North of the Cheddar Curtain, so there's been lots of information about him in the news here in Northern Illinois.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-12, 05:28:07
I especially like Walker's "lack" of credentials, mjm! He doesn't even have a college degree... (Never mind, that he's been a county executive and two-term governor.) If he doesn't win the nomination this time around I have little doubt that he will in about 8 years hence.

I would have voted for Barry Goldwater in '64, had I been old enough.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-16, 22:43:12
That inenarrable thing called something that keeps on saying that he's very rich and made a reality show about firing people announced that he's running for president of the U.S.
I hope the Talibans catch him soon. That would be viral all over the the world, his beheading video on Youtube.

Ahh, Trump.


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-16, 23:56:09

That inenarrable thing called something that keeps on saying that he's very rich and made a reality show about firing people announced that he's running for president of the U.S.
I hope the Talibans catch him soon. That would be viral all over the the world, his beheading video on Youtube.

Ahh, Trump.


Somebody had to bring the comedy relief. Personally, I don't expect Trump to make it past the New Hampshire primaries. There are too many better candidates than him.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-17, 03:42:18
Now a multi-billionaire is throwing his hat into the ring on the Republican side re the circus that passes for a system. Well, I suppose that is fair enough as it is the big bucks people that run America not the people.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-17, 13:28:06
Goodness, Rj, who doesn't love a billionaire?

I'd vote for the man in a heartbeat if he made it to the ballot...based on his photo alone.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fcrooksandliars.com%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fpost_thumbnail%2Fimages%2F15%2F03%2Fdonald-trump-bad-hair.jpg&hash=abfb8e878a6a3efde369c00defd5437a" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://crooksandliars.com/files/imagecache/post_thumbnail/images/15/03/donald-trump-bad-hair.jpg)
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For unknown reasons ex-politicians seem to do well after leaving office. For example, Tony Blair's father was a barrister, and Tony is reported to be worth £75m. He's good friends with billionaire Richard Branson. That might have helped.

For a relatively small island you folks have a nice collection of billionaires.

Quote
The number of billionaires living in the UK has risen to more than 100 for the first time, according to the 2014 Sunday Times Rich List. There are now 104 billionaires based in the UK with a combined wealth of more than £301bn, the list says.


That said, I once shook the hand of a billionaire, Mike Ilitch. I'm sure he mentions that handshake to all of his friends.
==========================
I'm not sure how billionaires run the U.S. Please explain that to me.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-17, 13:46:20
Now all we need is for Pat Robertson to announce his candidacy and we'll be all set. If he does, this election cycle will be fun to watch if nothing else.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-17, 15:02:18
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.charismanews.com%2Fimages%2Farchives%2Fstories%2FAssociatedPressImages%2Fap-Pat-Robertson-Presidential-Campaign-1988-photog-David-Banks.jpg&hash=a94f9e0584b8d2331511a441b4b22afe" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://cdn.charismanews.com/images/archives/stories/AssociatedPressImages/ap-Pat-Robertson-Presidential-Campaign-1988-photog-David-Banks.jpg)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-18, 01:25:29

Now a multi-billionaire is throwing his hat into the ring on the Republican side re the circus that passes for a system. Well, I suppose that is fair enough as it is the big bucks people that run America not the people.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Says the Scot who's Head of Gov't is a posh Etonian tw*t with money made from back in the days of Empire-profiteering.

Irony......thy name is RJHowie.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-18, 06:34:57
Don't you mean "Irny"?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-18, 10:01:54
I refuse to get involved in this name-calling fest, you swinish Nazi morons!

What does all of this stuff have to do with the 2016 election? Have we gotten off topic again?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-18, 23:20:35

Don't you mean "Irny"?

:lol: Well played sir.  :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-18, 23:43:45
It is a sign of the times, that -after seven years of Democrat rule- even Donald Trump looks like a viable candidate...!
(The supposed-majorities of the Republicans in the House and the Senate have been obviated by their actions: Most Republicans in office today are indistinguishable from Democrats.)

Let the Tea Parties rise again!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-19, 14:47:47

It is a sign of the times, that -after seven years of Democrat rule- even Donald Trump looks like a viable candidate...!
(The supposed-majorities of the Republicans in the House and the Senate have been obviated by their actions: Most Republicans in office today are indistinguishable from Democrats.)

Let the Tea Parties rise again!

:jester: Nothing would cheer up Hillarious Hillary than the TP rising.  :jester:
(https://img0.etsystatic.com/008/0/5709199/il_340x270.406963208_aeir.jpg)
I don't know about you, but I'm not looking forward to the 2016 cartoon festival. Unless...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-06-19, 17:21:24

Have we gotten off topic again?

Here?! Impossible! :no:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-20, 00:59:53
Problem: One of these unfit candidates is going to win. We're in an awful lot of trouble.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-20, 01:52:08
How about one of us (preferably a U.S. citizen) changes our name to "Noneoftheabove" and runs for president?
Can't miss..
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-20, 10:41:09
How about if you open a new thread, "Noneoftheabove."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-06-20, 13:15:56
Shouldn't that be Noneofthebelow?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-06-20, 13:27:28
Oddswise she's a winner (http://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures). Can't you just go for the Clinton-Bush ticket and save yourself a year of electioneering?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-06-20, 17:25:21

Problem: One of these unfit candidates is going to win. We're in an awful lot of trouble.

Maybe it is time to split up the country. Let Texas, Louisiana, Alabama etc. secede under the condition that they take everyone who would seriously vote for someone like Santorum, offer instant citizenship to the three or four sane people trapped on the wrong side of the new border.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-06-20, 17:41:31

Problem: One of these unfit candidates is going to win.

Democracy at its best.  :whistle:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-20, 18:57:21
How much is it said that costs to be President of the USA?
Last number I remember was ten millions that the candidate or someone for him has to spend but that was many moons ago...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-20, 20:46:48
I think it is best if the new president wins by spending only his own money.
That way he owes fewer favours and has the opportunity to govern justly and morally.
Dream on.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-23, 22:26:04
Doesn't matter which of the two giant corporate backed giant parties wins the thing is a farce. There will still be 1,000,000 losing homes, 11,000 shot dead annually, 40 million poor on food stamps, gung-ho police,spend half the globe's armaments bill, the utter farcical international stance on freedom, rights and stuff. And all the hype about a new dawn and heart thumping progress is the same guff and the folk dumbed into believing it all. Yeah, right.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-06-23, 23:52:21

Doesn't matter which of the two giant corporate backed giant parties wins the thing is a farce. There will still be 1,000,000 losing homes, 11,000 shot dead annually, 40 million poor on food stamps, gung-ho police,spend half the globe's armaments bill, the utter farcical international stance on freedom, rights and stuff.


America.....ya gotta love the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin'! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)

Alergik RJ......stay home & play with yer pen knife............while Lizzy & her Mongoloid Puppet Government still letsya that is!  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.laineygossip.com%2Farticles%2Fprince-harry-salute-13mar15-26.jpg&hash=f968e69ab2e8daa4468d5322ce22c1a2" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://photos.laineygossip.com/articles/prince-harry-salute-13mar15-26.jpg)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/taunt.gif)


(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/DemsVsGOP.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-25, 01:08:13
Be smug it covers inability to argue my points dear terrorist supporter. And to ad to them you are trillions in debt, keeping armament corporates happy selling stuff and telling the world how wonderful you are. Small wonder we shake our heads the way the country is run inside never mind out! And I stand by my submission it does not make a damn difference to less well off or the country as a whole. Conventions? They look ridiculous and juvenile and that is being lenient.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-25, 09:53:23
Small wonder we shake our heads the way the country is run inside never mind out! And I stand by my submission it does not make a damn difference to less well off or the country as a whole.

"We"? Who are "we"?

And...
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There are 2.3 million children - almost one in six - living in relative poverty in the UK, government figures show.
The Department for Work and Pensions said the proportion of children living in poverty was unchanged in 2013-14 compared with the previous year.
A child is defined as being in poverty when living in a household with an income below 60% of the UK's average.
Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith said poverty levels were the "lowest since the mid-1980s".
The DWP said the percentage of children in relative low income households remained at 17%.
'Deeply concerning'
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-27, 04:30:59
Depends what one means by poverty.

I see no children in poor clothes or shoes, houses in "poor" areas with satellite tv, pubs, full and fast food shops doing great money. They have all got mobile phones, tablets and so on. When you manage to do something with the million a year losing homes and the 40 million poor then fine. You have become like the cumfy leafy suburbian myth style and simply shut your eyes to the negatives that cannot be answered. I have well stated what I found both in my job and in voluntary work on the old Opera forums. Those less well off are better here than in the hypocrisyland.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-27, 12:34:48
What do I see locally? I don't get out into poor neighborhoods here but do drive along roads between our house and my daughter's neighborhood and see absolute hovels with TV and internet hardware on roofs and planted in front yards.

From http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/losing-homes-housing-crisis-affordable-housing (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/04/losing-homes-housing-crisis-affordable-housing)

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On Monday this week, my boyfriend came home clutching a letter and looking shell-shocked. Our landlords, a housing association that rents us our flat privately, had taken the decision to raise our rent by £400 a month to bring it in line with the market. Fair enough, some might say, but it means that our home - the home that we have made together - has gone from being just about affordable to not being a viable option.

In the midst of the UK's current housing crisis, it was, I suppose, only to be expected. It's difficult to express the emotions that you experience when you suddenly realise that what you thought was your home could be swept out from underneath your feet. Now I know that a rented home is never yours.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-28, 08:33:16
Oh the guardian again! That item shows their political leaning exceptionally well. Nationally in the Welfare State families were able to have benefits up to £25,000 a year. Rent, child allowance and so on. A ridiclusous amount and the government is right to reduce it to £23,000 maximum. Tax payments were reduced and tax is not paid until over £10,500 nd planed to be £12,000. So even many more will pay no tax. It is easy of course to pick something out and give the impression of a wholesale bad situation when that is utter bunkum. Many instead of the Welfare State being as a safety net use it as an alternative to working. Those that often scoff atthe Daily mail can equally be scoffed at on the Guardian. As I said a while ago it was Midlands based originally and called the 'Manchester Guardian' and supported the Liberal Party no it is Labour leaning. The one good news about that newspaper is it's steady decline and a positive.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-29, 01:31:04

Oh the guardian again! That item shows their political leaning exceptionally well. Nationally in the Welfare State families were able to have benefits up to £25,000 a year. Rent, child allowance and so on. A ridiclusous amount and the government is right to reduce it to £23,000 maximum. Tax payments were reduced and tax is not paid until over £10,500 nd planed to be £12,000. So even many more will pay no tax. It is easy of course to pick something out and give the impression of a wholesale bad situation when that is utter bunkum. Many instead of the Welfare State being as a safety net use it as an alternative to working. Those that often scoff atthe Daily mail can equally be scoffed at on the Guardian. As I said a while ago it was Midlands based originally and called the 'Manchester Guardian' and supported the Liberal Party no it is Labour leaning. The one good news about that newspaper is it's steady decline and a positive.

One takes away you prefer The Telegraph or the Daily Mail?  :sherlock:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-29, 10:41:58
Oh the guardian again! That item shows their political leaning exceptionally well. Nationally in the Welfare State families were able to have benefits up to £25,000 a year. Rent, child allowance and so on. A ridiclusous amount and the government is right to reduce it to £23,000 maximum.

It's 'ridiclusous' to selectively pick on the poor, although it's probably universal. Why, it even happens here.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2015-06-30, 01:45:30
It's 'ridiclusous' to selectively pick on the poor, although it's probably universal. Why, it even happens here.

It certainly does.  In 2008 the state of Oregon held a lottery for the poor and uninsured to see who would receive Medicaid.  The lottery turned into a landmark experiment to see whether having health insurance actually led to better health.  As one might guess, having health insurance, as opposed to those who did not have health insurance, didn't lead to better health--go figure.  :knight:  :cheers:

EDIT:  "Physical health:
Medicaid has no statistically significant effect on measured blood pressure, cholesterol or glycated hemoglobin (a measure of diabetic blood sugar control), or on the diagnosis of or medication for blood pressure or cholesterol. We can reject, with 95% confidence, increases in systolic blood pressure larger than 1.93 mm Hg and decreases larger than 2.97 mm Hg. For diastolic blood pressure, we can reject, with 95% confidence, increases larger than 1.04 mm Hg and decreases larger than 2.65 mm Hg."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-30, 02:16:35
To you Colonel - "yes." The Guardian is a posh and declining paper with it's own political agenda (like many of course) and that it is declining is a progressive news point in itslef.  When it evacuated Manchester in the ordinary Midlands to changing it's name (dropping 'Manchester') embodies it's strutting pomposity.

Yes to jimbro and anyone on the poor always being with us. It depends what countries spend and how they deal with the poor and homeless. Jimbro has earlier touched on the massive military bill across the water which is very immoral and contradictory and it kind of ignores the plight of the less well off citizenry. That is sad and should not happen of course.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-30, 04:46:10
Jimbro has earlier touched on the massive military bill across the water which is very immoral and contradictory and it kind of ignores the plight of the less well off citizenry. That is sad and should not happen of course.
If you don't mind Howie I'll take advantage of your peculiar style of punctuation to "interpret" what you said for the un-initiated:
That "massive military bill" being "across the water" is indeed immoral! Buck up, boy-o: Nobody expects Scotland (or England, or Western Europe) to pay for their own defense; and you should know -your own advice supports it!- the next time you're in a pickle, we may just hunker down and leave you to your own devices. (You yourself are fairly safe: Nobody wants Scotland... Not even the Scots.)
Your "plight of the less well-off citizenry" doesn't seem to bother you much... But I suppose if you've been used to centuries of poverty you can hardly know better. Perhaps that's why -when the U.S. mostly paid the way- you still managed to promote poverty at home. Good job!

So: Why does the upcoming presidential race in the U.S. seem so important to you? Looking for someone to curse, before you expire?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-30, 08:32:57
Back to the 2016 race and why I'd rather have Putin as president.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi602.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt104%2Fmaximumrule%2FDonald-Trump-funny-president.jpg&hash=12c1f22da977652e6a8706b565974531" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/maximumrule/Donald-Trump-funny-president.jpg)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-30, 09:20:23
Back to the 2016 race and why I'd rather have Putin as president.
I can't respond to this... Sartorial proclivities aside, I'd not worry about or wrap my politics around Liberal Doctrine!
You, Jaybro, would. I think that unfortunate. (But how many more elections are you going to vote in? Or me!? And what do our votes accomplish?) What, I ask, is the vision you'd promote, of the next best thing? :)

I assume that you'll vote for Joe Bidden?! :) (Or Hillary Clinton.)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-30, 19:37:43
Or Hillary Biden, RjOakdale.

As for the number of elections I'll vote in, who knows. At 77 I'm running out of elections.

A single vote hardly matters, so my vote or lack thereof won't make a bit of difference. What I do know is the the Republicans in my old home state are trying to cut my retirement benefits, so you can predict which party I'll support.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-01, 03:54:28
You don't have much of a chice anyway jimbro and stuck with 2 corporate gants rather than a wide democracy. Stay in, spend your pension, enjoy the Net and sigh.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-01, 08:41:09
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi602.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ftt104%2Fmaximumrule%2FDonald-Trump-funny-president.jpg&hash=12c1f22da977652e6a8706b565974531" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i602.photobucket.com/albums/tt104/maximumrule/Donald-Trump-funny-president.jpg)
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fimages%2Fimage-864960-galleryV9-bqwt.jpg&hash=3a0d5b38897f6f3f0710124fc5af270d" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-864960-galleryV9-bqwt.jpg)

BTW, nobody will laugh at him as president because he has no chance to become one.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-01, 14:05:50
Great pic! You're right. He's delusional.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-01, 21:08:54
Krake, you and I don't agree on much but this is one thing we do agree on. Trump is his own worst enemy, every time he opens his mouth something foolish comes out.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-01, 21:12:20

Krake, you and I don't agree on much but this is one thing we do agree on. Trump is his own worst enemy, every time he opens his mouth something foolish comes out.


Special note to RJHowie: This may be the time to re-think that bit about money buying power. Trump has enough money to buy the Presidency if you were right, instead of that I doubt he survives the Iowa caucuses as a viable candidate. If he does get past Iowa, he's done by Super Tuesday.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-02, 08:43:08
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fonecitizenspeaking.typepad.com%2F.a%2F6a00d83451d3b569e201b7c756a6e7970b-pi&hash=5365d64dd89e66e0cccee440d3b69e5d" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://onecitizenspeaking.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d3b569e201b7c756a6e7970b-pi)
So, who would be his running mate?
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.cdn.turner.com%2Fcnnnext%2Fdam%2Fassets%2F150127140739-palin-trump-reality-tv-exlarge-169.png&hash=afff74f6765ff4bc243d2f6483e828a9" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150127140739-palin-trump-reality-tv-exlarge-169.png)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-02, 10:20:08
One that I'm missing. Too bad that he isn't among the candidates. :(

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FVHVbjl5.jpg&hash=01ce9e1de088d81045b382e5c356b746" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.imgur.com/VHVbjl5.jpg)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-02, 13:04:19
Looks like a lizard doing a spastic dance.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/72/71/9072717c53916c3061fba170819650bf.jpg)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-07-02, 22:50:13
Is this thread - The American something - a show of monstrous creatures?
That's a good idea.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-02, 23:33:03
I don't know about monstrous creatures, but it sure does resemble "Amateur Hour". Special points if you're old enough to remember that program.....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-03, 00:17:31
Ted Mack? Never heard of him... Arthur Godfrey, neither. Hmph.

But I still greatly regret Burr's errant shot that deprived the nation of the abilities of Hamilton.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-03, 10:02:08
Points, please!
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Ted Mack & the Original Amateur Hour (1948-1970)
TV Series  |  TV-G  |  Comedy, Family, Music
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A direct descendant of radio's "Major Bowes Original Amateur Hour" (1934-1946), hosted by Major Edward Bowes until his death. After a one-year hiatus, Ted Mack, who had directed Bowes'
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Godfrey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAixx8G2wzU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAixx8G2wzU)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-04, 04:54:01
I listened to Hannity (of Fox News -- but, of course, he's a pundit!) interview Bobby Jindal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal), governor of Louisiana, tonight for an hour, and it seems that the GOP does have a superstar in the race...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-09, 08:59:17
From ABC News:
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Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush said Wednesday that in order to grow the economy "people should work longer hours" -- a comment that the Bush campaign argues was a reference to underemployed part-time workers but which Democrats are already using to attack him.


I'm sure Jindal loves it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2015-07-10, 04:00:25

I listened to Hannity (of Fox News -- but, of course, he's a pundit!) interview Bobby Jindal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Jindal), governor of Louisiana, tonight for an hour, and it seems that the GOP does have a superstar in the race...

Jindal will not make it to the oval office in the next election.  Previous stances on pro-life and anti-gun control are too recently changing just for his presidential run to fool many of the voting population.  And while a US presidential must say that he believes in god to have any chance of getting elected, he can't say that he prays to god about it.  God-belief in this country only goes so far in politics (and most other endeavors), and then you cross a line into becoming too much of a lunatic to be trustworthy--strange but true.  Jindal is an intellectual of sorts, but not on par with Obama.  His economic stance on a balanced budget has a nice democratic flair to it, but that is just one reasons why the good ole boys who 'are drinking whiskey and rye' will not let him get the nomination.   :knight:  :cheers:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-10, 23:24:52
orthy--strange but true.  Jindal is an intellectual of sorts, but not on par with Obama.
:) You think Obama is an intellectual?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-11, 19:34:19
:)  You think Obama is an intellectual?

:o He's smarter than a few of our posters. :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-07-11, 20:20:17
He writes well.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-11, 20:36:31
And himss speling is almots gud.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-07-12, 00:48:14
 ???
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-07-12, 11:52:36
Are the candidates promising anything interesting?
Nudism mandatory for everybody? Legal marriage with animals and plants? That you'll take your space rockets and leave Earth forever towards Orion?

Please... come on, You Can do it... you must believe in yourselves, be confident and follow the way of the Braves. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-07-12, 17:53:34

:)  You think Obama is an intellectual?

:o He's smarter than a few of our posters. :cheers:

You misunderstood. Some people think "intellectual" means "agrees with my nutjobbery and uses dem big fancy wordses" :right:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-07-12, 18:15:00
Are the candidates promising anything interesting?

I understand Bernie Sanders is so surprisingly sane that they call him crazy. :P
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-12, 18:46:30
Legal marriage with animals and plants?
You should be able to marry a goat if the goat is willing, but only if the goat is willing!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-07-12, 18:50:40
I've long argued that you should be able to marry a goat if the goat is willing, but only if the goat is willing!

Of course, goat's will must be always respected.

Are the candidates promising anything interesting?

I understand Bernie Sanders is so surprisingly sane that they call him crazy. :P

I have to look for that Bernie Sanders... (why do they all have this kind of names...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-12, 18:51:02
I understand Bernie Sanders is so surprisingly sane that they call him crazy.

I agree with that, and he has as much chance of beating out Mrs. Clinton as you do, President Frenzie.
(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Finfojustice.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F05%2FPresidentialSeal.png&hash=ba32cba73893cdec906652a3de56169a" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://infojustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/PresidentialSeal.png)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Macallan on 2015-07-12, 18:53:15

Are the candidates promising anything interesting?

I understand Bernie Sanders is so surprisingly sane that they call him crazy. :P

Yup, what's a middle of the road social democrat in .de is a crazy radical around here.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-12, 18:55:08
I have to look for that Bernie Sanders... (why do they all have this kind of names...)

Would Anibal Almeida be better?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-12, 18:57:44
Yup, what's a middle of the road social democrat in .de is a crazy radical around here.

He's not seen as a crazy radical, just as a candidate with absolutely no chance of taking the nomination from Clinton.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2015-07-13, 17:55:28
Are the candidates promising anything interesting?
Nudism mandatory for everybody? Legal marriage with animals and plants? That you'll take your space rockets and leave Earth forever towards Orion?
So now you are picking on innocent animals and plants--they have rights too ya know...and lefts.  I think that Donald Trump plans to do the space rocket thing with Mexicans--illegal and legal.   :knight:  :cheers:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-13, 18:31:43
The show so far:

On the Democrat side, we have Hillary Clinton and a couple of trial-horses. Seriously, the contenders only make it so that Hillary's eventual winning of the Democratic nomination isn't a coronation.

On the Republican side--- some 15 contenders for nomination. Add 5 more, give them pitchforks and torches, and they're good to go as an angry, frightened mob. Make Donald Trump their spokesperson for real fun.

Of that lot, Scott Walker from Wisconsin, the governor of Louisiana (I forget his name) and-- God help us-- Jeb Bush are the only ones seriously worth considering. The rest fill out the angry, frightened mob.

We're in an awful lot of trouble.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-13, 21:32:14
Donald Trump plans to do the space rocket thing with Mexicans--illegal and legal.

Do you mean this The Donald?
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Bobby_Jindal,_official_109th_Congressional_photo.jpg)
Jindal is the name you're looking for. I swear, the man looks like Alfred E. Newman.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-14, 00:58:48
I think I now understand Democratic politics...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-14, 01:23:35
i know it is too early ..
but is there any Valid Survey about Who will Win the   President Election in  United State 2016 ?

ofc , it is a must from the Credible -  trusted  -  Provable - surveyor , with  lesser margin of error . 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-14, 07:33:29

The show so far:

On the Democrat side, we have Hillary Clinton and a couple of trial-horses. Seriously, the contenders only make it so that Hillary's eventual winning of the Democratic nomination isn't a coronation.

On the Republican side--- some 15 contenders for nomination. Add 5 more, give them pitchforks and torches, and they're good to go as an angry, frightened mob. Make Donald Trump their spokesperson for real fun.

Of that lot, Scott Walker from Wisconsin, the governor of Louisiana (I forget his name) and-- God help us-- Jeb Bush are the only ones seriously worth considering. The rest fill out the angry, frightened mob.

We're in an awful lot of trouble.

I have to admit that I'm just a clueless person from over the pond who tries to understand something about this circus, called US electoral campaign.
Granted that the new candidates might not be any better presidents than their predecessors, what on earth makes you think that Hillary Clinton is worse than Barack Obama or Jeb Bush is worse than his brother George?
So, what's the big drama?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-14, 10:46:29


The show so far:

On the Democrat side, we have Hillary Clinton and a couple of trial-horses. Seriously, the contenders only make it so that Hillary's eventual winning of the Democratic nomination isn't a coronation.

On the Republican side--- some 15 contenders for nomination. Add 5 more, give them pitchforks and torches, and they're good to go as an angry, frightened mob. Make Donald Trump their spokesperson for real fun.

Of that lot, Scott Walker from Wisconsin, the governor of Louisiana (I forget his name) and-- God help us-- Jeb Bush are the only ones seriously worth considering. The rest fill out the angry, frightened mob.

We're in an awful lot of trouble.

I have to admit that I'm just a clueless person from over the pond who tries to understand something about this circus, called US electoral campaign.
Granted that the new candidates might not be any better presidents than their predecessors, what on earth makes you think that Hillary Clinton is worse than Barack Obama or Jeb Bush is worse than his brother George?
So, what's the big drama?


I won't speak for others, but in my case I really don't want to see another Bush or Clinton in the White House for a long, long, long time. Send these two dynastic families home! The idea that the President must be either a Bush or a Clinton-- with a break for Obama-- gets old fast. Especially when the families in question are marginal in everything except government power-grabbing.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-14, 11:35:51
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Dynastic  Politic 


Well ,  it is so relieving to know that kind of thing not just happening in here .  :coffee:

on the other hand , i think in any kind of Election .

it  will much better to Support those who mostly will win the Election .

so in the end of election , we do not have to reasoning   about why " the Candidate "  Lost in Election .




Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-14, 16:09:52

I won't speak for others, but in my case I really don't want to see another Bush or Clinton in the White House for a long, long, long time.


Ya'know? The more things change the more...  :sing:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-14, 18:34:50
The idea that the President must be either a Bush or a Clinton-- with a break for Obama-- gets old fast.

Pick some alternatives.
On the Republican side...
1. Scott Walker
2. Ben Carson
3. Chris Christie
4. Mitt Romney

On the Democrat side...
1. Lincoln Chafee
2. Martin O'Malley
3. Bernie Sanders
4. Jim Webb.
5. -Clinton
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Carson won't work because there's something in the Constitution about two Black presidents in a row.

Of course, there's another option.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-14, 21:34:57
Quote
Pick some alternatives.
On the Republican side...
1. Scott Walker
2. Ben Carson
3. Chris Christie
4. Mitt Romney

On the Democrat side...
1. Lincoln Chafee
2. Martin O'Malley
3. Bernie Sanders
4. Jim Webb.
5. -Clinton


isnt that too many Option ?

i thought each partij only allowed to propose one pair of candidate .

A president , and Vice president . 

the Partij ,
i guess... will Give that position for those that Have good respond from the Public .

because hence .. they need to got as many Voice as possible to win the election .


so it seem , it is not who will we choose as alternative .

but who will Republican nor Democrat Choose as the President and Vice President Candidate .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-07-14, 22:32:44
The land of the Republic, Freedom and Whatsoever tries to create their "monarchic" dynasties. Pathetic.
Good work Mexican Cartels keep them on dope.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-15, 02:56:59
i know it is too early ..
but is there any Valid Survey about Who will Win the   President Election in  United State 2016 ?

ofc , it is a must from the Credible -  trusted  -  Provable - surveyor , with  lesser margin of error .

Predicting the outcome of an event without a causal model is voodoo science... (In other words: Statistics mean squat. Reality rules! Still, the statisticians will make a lot of money!)
There are opinions, based upon experience or ideology. But there is no way to predict the outcome of an election; people have to vote, first. And then argue about the tally.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-15, 03:04:28
Sciences  ( Natural And Social ) are so advanced Nowadays .

and  Credible Surveyor ,  really can Predict who will Win the President election  one year before the Official result announced  .

not sure , how they do that .. 
it seems with technique sampling , Statistics , etc .

IDC how they make money , at least they can Predict it accurately .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-07-15, 04:07:23
From this side of the Pacific it appears that Mr. Trump is destroying the Republican brand. Could he? Will he?
If you told me that he is taking lessons from Tony Abbott I would believe you.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-15, 04:18:05
From this side of the Pacific it appears that Mr. Trump is destroying the Republican brand.
The leadership in the House and Senate have effectively done that already. :)
I doubt Trump can win the primary; it is, however, a disheartening possibility that he might mount a third-party run -- and play the "spoiler" to a good Republican candidate. :sigh:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-15, 06:50:04
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WW2 German Waffen-SS - advertised in the US election campaign 2015/2016  :o
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-15, 10:17:51
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WASHINGTON -- Donald Trump has surged to the top of a crowded Republican presidential field, a USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, but the brash billionaire is also the weakest competitor among the top seven GOP candidates against Democrat Hillary Clinton.

Just give it a little time and Trump will bump in the night.
BTW, look closely at the fifth stripe down in Krake's post...Nazi soldiers marching! Oh, my.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-07-15, 23:04:31
I would love to see that clown as American President...
Or any of the others on the queue, truth to be said. There's no difference.
I just would ask for not more blacks but it seems that Americans are already taking care of that.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-16, 01:11:05
Somehow the idea of Trump as a business leader and POTUS does not inspire great confidence in this DnD poster.

Trump is the guy who managed to lose money OWNING a casino. That takes doing. Anybody can lose money playing the games at a casino, but as everybody knows "The house always wins". So-- if you own the house and you LOSE--- how are you going to be any good at being POTUS.

I dunno---- maybe Trump plans to fire Putin?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2015-07-16, 02:20:25
I just would ask for not more blacks

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-16, 20:23:27
I would love to see that clown as American President...

Said the man who lives in Europe's clown.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-19, 20:28:31
Donald Trump

hmm..

The gimmick  is strong with this one  :spock:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-20, 07:46:46
As is known the system is a joke and that is epitomised by Trump.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-20, 19:08:48
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As is known the system is a joke


AFAIK , the U.S political climate  is separated in two stream .
Conservative and Liberal .

if in UK , probably it is similar with Right wing and Left wing .

which pejoratively , the one always appeal to novelty .
while the other always appeal to tradition .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-21, 03:12:04
Kind of too simple to equate a right and left here mean something different than over the pond. We have right, left and liberal so a wider choice. Mind you to state that in the US it is right v liberal is a bit wide it is Wall Street that really runs the system.No matter who wins the DC circus the tens of millions of poor over there will stil be there so doesn't matter a fig who wins.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-21, 05:45:01
i thought , Left wing is always Liberal , and Liberal is always Left winger .

in very rare case , some groups perhaps hybrid that .

Right wing Liberal

nor Left Wing Conservative


eventhought , that   mostly will be so moron as oxymoron .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-22, 01:48:11
Well in a general sense liberal would be left leaning to be fair. The two main wings of right and left mean different things in our two countries.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-22, 06:41:14
And different things at different times. Most conservatives in contemporary America are "classical" Liberals... :) (While most Liberals are Progressives, i.e., statists relying upon managerial expertise! What could go wrong? :( )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-07-22, 07:00:28
Anything is possible. It was almost axiomatic that there could never be a Catholic president, and along came Kennedy.
Of course he wasn't VERY Catholic.
Even more unthinkable was the thought of a black president, but Lo, along came Obama.
Once again, not VERY black.
And now, mirabile dictu, the very real possibility of a female president.
Not, of course, VERY female.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-22, 07:42:58
:) You've left me speechless, tt92! (I recently heard Glen Beck's substitutes comment that Ben Carson has no chance of being elected... Because "we can't have two black presidents in a row: It's in the Constitution!" :)

If one can't take politics facetiously, what's the point?!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-22, 10:48:43
if most liberals is progressive .

is most  Conservatives is Reactionary ?



Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-22, 10:55:20

Quote
As is known the system is a joke


AFAIK , the U.S political climate  is separated in two stream .
Conservative and Liberal .

if in UK , probably it is similar with Right wing and Left wing .

which pejoratively , the one always appeal to novelty .
while the other always appeal to tradition .

It's more complicated than you may think.
Keep in mind that raping words is an usual habit when it comes to politics and ideology. No wonder that the same notion can mean different things depending on which continent or in which country it is used.

An example, probably not the best but even so may help you to get the picture:
Conservative or Liberal? It's all a matter of where you live in the world (http://pinione.blogspot.de/2010/03/conservative-or-liberal-its-all-matter.html)

BTW, an example from Germany (it might apply for other countries as well).
"To reform" something means generally something good, to make something better.
Therefore politicians have raped this word in order to give some unpopular decisions a positive connotation.
Only two examples:
reforms of the social sytem = cuts in social spending
reforms of the labor market = less rights for employees
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-22, 12:18:07
well ,  it is easy to detect someone is Corservative or liberal if the one live in the U.S

in example ; those that support second amandment aka Gun Rights is conservative .
and those that support LGBTQ marriage is liberal .

so it is save to say , Smileyface is conservative .


on the other hand the Executive ( The President ) is just execute whatever that writed in the Constitution .

so he/she is a must to be a hypocrite  ( Liberal and conservative )

since , the constitution produced by the Legislative , which separated in two kind .
Liberal and conservative .


but , if the one live in Multipartij country  ( Not Dual Partij ) .

i guess that kinda hard to analyse .

in example ; my country .

it have multipartij,   it is separated in two streams ---> Coalition A and Coalition B .

Where , inthe Coalition A  there are   Conservative partij ,  and Liberal partij  .

and inthe Coalition B  there are also Conservative partij and  Liberal partij .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-22, 12:25:11
The latest poll, conducted by ABC News and the Washington Post, shows Trump with a commanding lead: 24% of registered Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, compared with 13% for the Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and 12% for the former Florida Governor, Jeb Bush.
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I know it won't happen, but if it did, Trump would be the Democrats' guarantee of victory. Lordy, the man attacked McCain! He's no hero, The Donald declared.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-07-22, 13:46:07

Lordy, the man attacked McCain! He's no hero, The Donald declared.

Out of curiosity, I'll ask you a question and promise not to argue, whatever your answer will be.
Do you consider McCain a hero?
In case you do, what makes him a hero? The fact that he was taken prisoner (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/) or the fact that he fought in Vietnam?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-22, 19:04:14
Frankly, I don't give a damn, but I don't think that being a prisoner makes a man a hero.

What I think is that Trump is a fool who will do the Republicans harm if this silliness goes on to much further. Not being sympathetic to the Republican Party's agenda, I hope he keeps it up. With the passage of time I'm certain that his present popularity will dwindle and he'll end up in the ash pile of history.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-22, 19:11:51
btw , when they will officially announce the President and vice president candidate , from both partijs?

republican and democrat .

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-23, 01:13:44
I am of course no fan of McCain whilst thinking that would-be joke was a bit out of kilter. The whole political system seems to be something less than it sholud be.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-23, 01:17:08

btw , when they will officially announce the President and vice president candidate , from both partijs?

republican and democrat .


There are a couple of conventions where that will be decided once and for all. Look for the announcements along about July or early August of 2016. Then the race heats up for the general election in November.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-23, 01:21:46
I could imagine that a lot of stand-up comedians are hoping for a Donald Trump victory come November 2016. Man--- think of the daily material coming from the Oval Office for free! Any pundit that couldn't make hay from "The Donald"s pronouncements should be fired as hopelessly incompetent.

I hope Trump gets out of the race, personally. Comedy aside, it would be a great tragedy for the country if he gets anywhere near the Oval Office.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-07-23, 07:17:26
hmm ...
i could imagine ... when there are surveys and polls ' who's the winner of 2016 election '


the statistics from credible surveyor  shows + 10% gap between candidate A and candidate B .

in example -->   A = 60% , B = 30%


with + 3% margin of error
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-23, 10:42:27
I hope Trump gets out of the race, personally. Comedy aside, it would be a great tragedy for the country if he gets anywhere near the Oval Office.

For shame, sir! The Donald has an estimated net worth of $4.1 billion. As president, he'd make only $400,000/year. What's a billionaire to do?

Imagine the Koch brothers as Sec. of Defense and Sec. of the Treasury. Combined they make $3 million dollars per hour.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-24, 00:22:08
I think that mjsmsprt40 does have a definitive point about Trump and only wish there was a better choice for you folks there.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-07-24, 05:50:09
After being beaten by such an artificial candidate as Obama it would be vital to Republicans to gain the indisputable representativity of the Nation. As the world can astonishingly assist they can't get anything better than a piece of excrement.

It's obvious that political parties don't exist anymore, just a farce hiding the true centers of decision of the new totalitarianism.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-24, 20:07:26
This just in! Obama might not leave office!
I wasn't sure where to post this, here or The Worst People thread. Alex Jones is the ninny and American conspiracy theorist. Enjoy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-26, 08:45:39
Well Belfrager as I have often said there is no proper democracy and system in America it is run by the corporates and what passes for a "system" is a front to fol the people away from the real rulers of the country. When you watch what passes for some vague type of party conferences (really just jamorees and so juvenile) and the whole thing looks so damn juvenile.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-07-26, 20:01:09

Well Belfrager as I have often said there is no proper democracy and system in America it is run by the corporates and what passes for a "system" is a front to fol the people away from the real rulers of the country. When you watch what passes for some vague type of party conferences (really just jamorees and so juvenile) and the whole thing looks so damn juvenile.

That Bru must be powerful stuff.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-26, 23:12:46
Irn Bru as a previous advert used to sate - made from girders. But it doesn't take much to assess what passes for a system over the pond except for the poor folk who live there. Mind you when one sees what the land of the kangaroo puts in for a Prime Minister we can add a long sigh.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-27, 06:53:09
Sez the Edinburgh Man! Rj, you're like the proverbial broken record. No substance, just bloviating rhetoric over and over and over. You remind me of The Donald.
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Take a look at this for a sense of what I mean.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sunday-donald-trump-showed-why-193000314.html (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/sunday-donald-trump-showed-why-193000314.html)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-07-27, 17:38:01
One takeaway thought from that link in Jimbro's post:

Trump is mentally ill and should not have firearms. Or the oval office. Or the Republican nomination.

OK, that's at least 3 takeaway thoughts. Still--- Trump is not a well man, and the sooner he's off the national stage the better.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-07-27, 20:25:37
The last line of the article should read:
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[When] Why he begins to be required to answer substantive questions - and to defend his answers - in a forum he doesn't control, The Donald may just end up firing himself.
Which point is not so obvious, since Trump's ego is the proverbial steel trap...

Perhaps he'll end up still quite rich but residing next-door to Napoleon! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-27, 21:45:24
Trump is mentally ill and should not have firearms.

Nobody mention that to Smileyfaze!
=============================
Perhaps he'll end up still quite rich but residing next-door to Napoleon!

There's always the next Mars mission.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-27, 23:31:59
No substance jimbro?? Dear, oh dear it is a disappointment when even an intelligent ex-colonist goes into that mode. It does not take much intelligence nor an long indepth study to see that people like McCain and Trump are numpties. A school failure can see that direction so no point in trying to create some false assessment of routing practicality matters.  I know it doesn't show your system in a very good light but don't get desperate. The hard truth for you and others is that it does not matter one iota of a damn who goes into the White House as the most important position the country will still want to rule the world via ridiculous military expenditure, interference, the tens of millions of starving and poor inside will still be there and the corporate controllers run the place no matter what stuff we get here. Indeed the very fact that a man like Trump is in the running with support and McCain had it says more than you can ever try to do dismissing any objection as not informed or deep enough.

On a wider scale than you are pontificating on the voting percentage in the last general elections on the 'Hill show that an awful lot of people have got fed up with what they are stuck with.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-07-28, 02:23:44

No substance jimbro?? Dear, oh dear it is a disappointment when even an intelligent ex-colonist goes into that mode. It does not take much intelligence nor an long indepth study to see that people like McCain and Trump are numpties. A school failure can see that direction so no point in trying to create some false assessment of routing practicality matters.  I know it doesn't show your system in a very good light but don't get desperate. The hard truth for you and others is that it does not matter one iota of a damn who goes into the White House as the most important position the country will still want to rule the world via ridiculous military expenditure, interference, the tens of millions of starving and poor inside will still be there and the corporate controllers run the place no matter what stuff we get here. Indeed the very fact that a man like Trump is in the running with support and McCain had it says more than you can ever try to do dismissing any objection as not informed or deep enough.

On a wider scale than you are pontificating on the voting percentage in the last general elections on the 'Hill show that an awful lot of people have got fed up with what they are stuck with.

The esteemable Mr. Howie in every thread (were he an American):

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-28, 11:15:17
The hard truth for you and others is that it does not matter one iota of a damn who goes into the White House as the most important position the country will still want to rule the world via ridiculous military expenditure, interference, the tens of millions of starving and poor

Terrible to say, but we all have our problems.
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Leading Public Health Experts and Charities warn that Austerity Measures and Poverty in the UK are about to cause a Public Health Emergency with widespread Starvation and Malnutrition.

Six of the UK's leading experts on public health have published an open letter in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), warning that food poverty in the UK has developed into an emergency. Also charities recognize and exponential increase of people asking for help, tripling the use of food banks in the last year alone.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-02, 19:59:13
Your corner is still worse not having a welfare state.

Indeed when you stop the million a year losing homes, 40 million on food stamps, tens of millions with education problems even basically and trillions in debt then spout. Immigrants here do okay sadly like that woman with the begging stuff and the now ex-Labour Leader doing that money drop for scurrilous filming reasons. The would-be liberal minds jump on the nonsense about poverty which is nothing like poverty in the ex-colonies and when you see the size of our welfare bill it only proves my point hence why so many immigrants instead of doing the UN rules and applying to the first country cross the world to come to Britain because of the generosity. Your mindset will feel comfortable jumpiness on the Guardian paper mind-setting and people who are less well off will always stay here and would not want what happens in the good ole US of A.

Nice to try and rift off the thread theme on a nonsense ticket and the hard fact is that for tens of millions of Americans it doe not matter a damn who wins that daft carnival Presidential farce it will make no difference to those in the stats I mention. I have worked in both my job and vastly voluntary work in less off areasso know the actual  and they are still damn better than across the pond.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-03, 09:59:15
I have worked in both my job and vastly voluntary work in less off areasso know the actual  and they are still damn better than across the pond.

Once again in English please.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-08-03, 20:59:44
I hope this time you got an yellow president.
The next one should be an aborigine. Then, a pygmy.
After that, a gay one.

All the best for American democracy.  :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-04, 00:15:07
How about a gay Portuguese president with an aboriginal wife and a yellow pygmy child.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-04, 13:33:52
Either a clever bodyswerve or a lack there jimbro!

Considering it took corporate land, oops, America well over two centuries to get a black or even part black President not a very great strength to rubbish Portugal!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-04, 16:13:19
I'm waiting for a Paki PM.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-06, 11:12:14
Nice try but you are the country that boasts to the world on it's great democracy, freedoms and all the would-be principles. Trouble is that such boasting is a load of rubbish. You would have a better strong point if there was not so much hypocrisy in the face. Trouble is too many ex-colonists just shut a blind eye to what they don't like being reminded of.

Poor try.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-06, 13:35:27
Our would-be principles are better than your would-be principles.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-08, 17:38:42
Yes very amusing of course.

Now the Republicans have 10 candidates to the farce that is meant to be a system. It does not make a twopenny damn which of the 2 lots win the carnival as the corporates pull the strings. People are so gullible and get all steamed up, flag daft, slap hands on hearts and so on but the poor and less in the great democracy do not decline.  Hhhm, maybe on hindsight jimbro you are right to be amusing because the practicalities of too many have been covered up by all that jingoism and greatest ion the world farcical stuff.

Traditionally you lot over there in nutjob land have tended to be brained into the fact that the terrible Republicans are in the pocket of the corporate people but when you look at what the Democrats got at the last Presidential it is an area that is more equal. Now that what passes for a legal system okays no limit to expenditure maybe Trump is entitled to a place being one of the system controlling maniacs! When the farce is all over will the tens of millions of poor and homeless the military world control costs and so on decrease? Nope.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-08-09, 04:34:02
Surely Donald Trump could never make it to the White House.
But there is a worrying fact. His co-star in "Bedtime for Bonzo" did.
:monkey:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-08-09, 05:46:30
The "Donald" is a chimp!? :) Howie, please put forward your platforms or politicians you think we'd have done better with... If that's too complicated for you: You'll be dead soon (and, hence, not care...) so, which of your countrymen/women would you put up for us? Assuming your animosity is just assumed, to post on the Internet... In other words, what does anyone you know of think we should do?
Follow GB down the sink hole, with the rest of Europe? :) (You'd like that, I think! But, boy-o, it might not happen!) You've got your soapbox, and you're entitled to it. You've also been roundly and soundly rejected, as a candidate... Can you not take a hint?
You know little, and can express less... Why do you have such animosity for a country you know so little about? (Penis envy? :) ) My advice is: Don't be a pecker-peeker!
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Yes, I know, tt92. You made the comment: But it was worthy of Howie... I calls them as I sees them!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-08-09, 06:22:19

The "Donald" is a chimp!? :) Howie, please put forward your platforms or politicians you think we'd have done better with... If that's too complicated for you: You'll be dead soon (and, hence, not care...) so, which of your countrymen/women would you put up for us? Assuming your animosity is just assumed, to post on the Internet... In other words, what does anyone you know of think we should do?
Follow GB down the sink hole, with the rest of Europe? :) (You'd like that, I think! But, boy-o, it might not happen!) You've got your soapbox, and you're entitled to it. You've also been roundly and soundly rejected, as a candidate... Can you not take a hint?
You know little, and can express less... Why do you have such animosity for a country you know so little about? (Penis envy? :) ) My advice is: Don't be a pecker-peeker!
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Yes, I know, tt92. You made the comment: But it was worthy of Howie... I calls them as I sees them!

If you thought it was worthy of Howie then you didn't see it very clearly.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-08-09, 06:32:03
If you thought it was worthy of Howie then you didn't see it very clearly.
If you thought it worthy of posting then you didn't think about it at all: All prejudice and no reasoning.
Also, no recognition of commonly known facts... Rachael Maddow-worthy! (I could name a few others... Indeed, I'd add the Fox news-babe who hosted the main event Republican primary debate.*)
By all means, express your disdain for individual politicians, parties, and even countries. But don't be stupid doing so.

So, whom did you refer to, tt92? :) (Put up or shut up!) I'll continue if you will.

[We no longer have a whisper function, so I'll have to trust you and others not to reveal the fact that I know you called Trump a chimp and, by implication, Ronald Reagan merely his co-star... Despicable, and probably something even Trump wouldn't sink to. Or I misunderstood: Would you explain?]
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* Although I thought it was "really cute" that the info-babe who hosted the Kiddie Table debate thought it was Ronald Reagan who said "We have nothing to fear but fear itself!"
Maybe she was a Rhodes Scholar!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-09, 08:50:43
When the farce is all over will the tens of millions of poor and homeless the military world control costs and so on decrease?

Your numbers on the tens of millions of homeless are a tad off.
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On any given night, there are over 600,000 homeless people in the US according to the US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).  Most people are either spending the night in homeless shelters or in some sort of short term transitional housing.  Slightly more than a third are living in cars, under bridges or in some other way living unsheltered.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-08-09, 10:02:42
(I assume, Jaybro, that you are speaking to others who might read posts here. RJ has shown no inclination to do simple sums, multiplications or division. Although he has a penchant for divisiveness; perhaps that's why he wasn't elected, the two times he stood... :) Please don't try to confuse him with facts: He doesn't like them!)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-09, 10:54:58
The usual comment level by Oakdale and tt92 only enhance my appraisal of both. They don't make much of an impression on the general world and probably are never taken much notice of. In contrast I have been involved in civic affairs, dome indepth community work i my job and voluntarily. Forums give people like thee two chumps the opportunity to try and impress knowing they will never be known in detail.

That so many big money people want to be President is beyond their narrow outlook. I said a while ago that even Ike when President and him a Republican warned America of the growing influence of the corporates but you lot are so thick so do try and get out the house a bit more into the real world.

Always boasting about how the country is the best and greatest in the world the tiny mindsets of these two reflect millions who are brained into propaganda and flag waving childishness. The laughable legal system allows unlimited expense on elections and the ordinary folk who cannot think for themelves (not all of course) never stop to think the truth. The gap between corporates and the ordinary Joe are not just widening but galloping. It does't help the millions losing homes,the tens of millions of poor,trillions on military empirical nonsense, millions who have education problems  and so on.

It is the norm to slag off my stance because what I say is in practical terms too true but like many over the water you are mentally incapable of seeing the truth. So instead resort to rubbishing and detraction like a redneck  mentality. Time after time you do not answer the charges made on what I list here or have in the past. It does not suit you warped view of the world and your own land so the usual tripe is to ridicule, sneer and so on. It only for the brighter brains here show how crassly stupid you two are. Try answering mny charges on the way the country is run and that terrible list of negatives  but you cannot. Flags everywhere, propaganda media, greatest country in the world and all the other tripe. So call me what you like and continue to prove my point and I will keep listing all the sad and despicable things going on in the country until you answer them. It is one thing thinking you are the greatest but when you see how the place is run internally and the tens of millions struggling in a place that hangs onto flags everywhere (shows immaturity).

Both the two juggernauts parties that carve the country up are full of corporates and when you consider that the Democrats corporate money at the last election was way up there shows how corrupt the system is. No-one else can get a look-in.There are more corporate money influencers working around the DC Hill than civil servants so tells you something else. You both give the country a bad name so sneer and mouth away because you two have a mental appraisal and political knowledge of a kindergarten child. Corporates do control your system and they are there in the front line and small wonder that as I said a while back at the Hill elections the voting percentage was not impressive. Many people do realise what has been going on and that America is controlled by the money barons and frustrated so why bother voting?? Those money tycoons don't care a damn about the ordinary Joe and that is why so many are suffering inside the country when they get propagated by the diabolical nonsenes of being the greatest country and an outstanding democracy to follow..

So keep buying flags, maintain Fox mentality, refuse to answer the in the face truth and do keep up the slagging as you are proving my point.  :knight:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-08-09, 12:15:11
RJ--- you've run for office twice and got defeated both times. I reckon that proves that the system in Glasgow works. :D
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-10, 17:42:48
Our system does work mjsmsprt it is yours that is deeply flawed. It does not stop all the unfortunate legions in the ex-colonies nor the corporate controllers. Stop lecturing the world when your place is so badly run and lacks principle.  :D
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-10, 20:11:33
Our system does work mjsmsprt it is yours that is deeply flawed.

Can you explain that? What is it that you mean? How does it affect my life and that of mjmsprt? Or that of any  other American who posts here. Start with me.

My wife and I are retired and living on Social Security and my retirement program. We own a house and a car. How could that be in our flawed system. Are you better off with your Putinesque system? Are you living that much better than the flood of unwanted immigrants who are making their way through the Chunnel? And other ways!
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-08-10, 20:26:05
1. You pretend to take him seriously.
2. You really DO take him seriously.
3. There is a third possibility.
Just curious.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-10, 20:46:35
1. No
2. No
3. No
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-08-10, 21:41:18

Are you better off with your Putinesque system?

The UK a Putinesque system?
You are a retired teacher. Aren't you?
And since you are:


Are you living that much better than the flood of unwanted immigrants who are making their way through the Chunnel? And other ways!

Ever asked yourself for the reason of the late flood of unwanted immigrants who are making their way through the Chunnel? And other ways!
Syria, Libya, Sudan etc. Hint, hint!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-10, 21:56:36
I understand the flood perfectly well. We have our own flood, but few are from the Middle East.

The Putinesque reference is for the benefit of Mr. Howie who is a fan of Vladimir, and because Mr. Howie blathers on endlessly about how so many in the West don't understand him.

For Crimean-out-loud, I do!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-08-10, 22:09:56

I understand the flood perfectly well.

Fine :) Then I don't have to goe into unpleasant details ...


We have our own flood, but few are from the Middle East.

Geographically, Europe is closer to the Middle East and to Africa.
So no wonder that the stench coming from the shit we are doing there will hit our noses harder.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-11, 09:15:08
 :D
Our flood is from Mexico, but we do have some Middle Eastern friends.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-11, 17:05:59
No you don't understand Putin at all jimbro. You grew up in the braining of the Cold War mind and have never shaken it. When you see the abject hypocrisy of a country that boasts over the globe about freedom, rights, peace but in practice does the opposite of all of them so kind of makes your point, well pointless. You have a drag on  of your own boy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-08-12, 15:47:06

Ever asked yourself for the reason of the late flood of unwanted immigrants who are making their way through the Chunnel? And other ways!
Syria, Libya, Sudan etc. Hint, hint!


There are not many coming from Libya, small country, but many are passing by Libya as a transit country. The big uptake of refugees is from Ethiopia and Eritrea, communist countries of sorts that have turned into despotic-regimes-for-life. The Syrian despotic-regime-for-life is unravelling and is bleeding people.

This BBC report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b063yqq9) is from my home town of Södertälje, with the Swedish migration minister's criticism of Cameron and British migration policies towards Calais.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-12, 21:33:53
I am rather tired of the guff we get from the would-be open and concerned mind people. The otthe night a female liberal commentator being interviewed said we should be very concerned about the immigrants and help them in here. I bet a fortunate she does not live in the areas they take over here nor anywhere near such. oWhat the clown totally ignores is that this is an essentially small country and simply cannot keep taking people in a great costs and let them live off the Welfare State. Another groan is that shops in Turkey are making a fortunate selling life-jackets. Small wonder so many indigenous Londoners move out and man as far from Londoninstan as possible.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-12, 21:52:41
We have our problems, too.
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The Pew Hispanic Center's indirect estimate of the number of illegal immigrants as of 2006 was 11.5 million to 12 million. These estimates represented roughly one-third of the entire foreign-born population.

It's a big country with lots of room for more. I hope our Republican presidential candidates don't find out that I said that!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ersi on 2015-08-16, 15:49:59
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Can anyone tell me who the far-right statue is? Lenin? If yes, why him?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-16, 16:05:36
It's Lenin. If he was alive, he'd be a Democrat running with Hillary.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ersi on 2015-08-16, 16:36:45

It's Lenin. If her were alive, he'd be a Democrat running with Hillary.

Says who and knows this how?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-16, 17:00:44
Jimbro knows all.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-08-16, 17:43:26

Jimbro knows all.


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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-08-16, 20:09:36
Lenin? If yes, why him?

Because the author of the illustration is someone from the Tea Party or correlated areas. So he thinks Democrats are Leninist and actual Republicans traitors, so he painted them all together in an orgy. A puritan orgy, of course... kind of Oakdale whining about my wording.

Since when you saw anything from the US well done... forget it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-08-16, 22:13:54
America is controlled by the money barons and frustrated so why bother voting??


You don't get to raise your head up from Putin's lap and say any of that. True or not you advocate it when it's not American.

(I've got to quit reading your assclowning.)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-08-16, 22:48:35




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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-16, 23:08:44
Must say ensbb3 for a supposedly educated person (??) my description of your politcal excuse of a system is nonsnese?

A long time ago on the old opera thread and i think here too I mentioned that President Eisenhower a Republican publicly warned Americans of the danger of the rising corporate sector and that was all those years ago . You have a 2-party State that has both of them mired in big bucks people yeah the Democrats as well as the Republicans and now the exuse of a legal system says unlimited syums can be spent. There are many in America who do not want either Democrats or Republicans but if they vote for some smaller lot know they haven't a proverbial chance in Hell as money counts so they are stuck with the big 2. Not very democratic is it?  Every Presidential circus comes out with the same keech about the greatness of the country, it's wonderful place in the world (nice cover for internecine and war causing), flag waving and chest beating. And when it all dies down it is just the same old rubbish and the tens of millions of poor, homeless, un-insured, spied on by secret government runts (well into 6 figures now) still continue.

It is another revolution you want boy and one that is principled. Money is the control freakery and the elections a sop to keep you lot thinking you live in a wide democracy. Yea right!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-08-16, 23:22:17
Must say ensbb3

Apparently you must. But noting you said relates to what I said.

Pretty standard stuff from you. Incidentally, my dog also smells of asses and thinks he knows something from it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-08-17, 00:04:19



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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-19, 23:59:33
Well there is an answer from a typical US political animal.Shows the lack of common-sense, decency and much else. Tens of millions of poor and no proper representation of the people you lot are so juvenile and brain washed. And here is Smiley that wonderful patriotic Yank who actually supports Marxists elsewhere and not that far from me! Hypocrisy much be taught in schools over there.

It does not matter damn who is elected - Democrat or Republican as the gap between all will not change nor decent representation nor things improve, the trillions reduced and so on. Indeed what passes for politics and it's running looks so infantile, funny and useless and whilst you are brained into the greatest place on earth mentality the ordinary Joe is going nowhere. At least Laurel and Hardy and others were genuine.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-20, 09:24:51

Well there is an answer from a typical US political animal.Shows the lack of common-sense, decency and much else. Tens of millions of poor and no proper representation of the people you lot are so juvenile and brain washed. And here is Smiley that wonderful patriotic Yank who actually supports Marxists elsewhere and not that far from me! Hypocrisy much be taught in schools over there.

It does not matter damn who is elected - Democrat or Republican as the gap between all will not change nor decent representation nor things improve, the trillions reduced and so on. Indeed what passes for politics and it's running looks so infantile, funny and useless and whilst you are brained into the greatest place on earth mentality the ordinary Joe is going nowhere. At least Laurel and Hardy and others were genuine.
Speak louder, sir.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-08-21, 23:38:34
So long as this guy doesn't get elected--- we may still have a fighting chance.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-22, 01:30:46
I greatly sympathise with you mjsmsprt40 on your feelings on that man. He hasn't a clue about politics only at making money and due to his political ignorance has to fall back on ridiculous comments that are sometimes insulting or ignorant. doubt if his party would submit him.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-08-24, 03:47:18
We all hear everyone decrying what a farce the Republican debates were/are, but at least the people are seeing something.

In days long ago 90% of the electorate never personally saw the candidate(s), & only heard 3rd hand or worse what the candidates positions are/were/will be.

I wonder......has Slick Willy bought & paid for a Billery Coronation?

Regardless,  whatever the people may call them, does the DNC intend on holding any 'debates' ??

And the long list of shit that seems to be sticking to Hillery's sneakers ............

Does Hillery Rotthim Clinton have a

TRUST DEFICIT PROBLEM ?

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-25, 01:19:04
Seeing something means dash all. None on both sides are very outstanding are they? Kind of shame for the millions left to sigh.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-25, 20:04:10
More good Republican news.
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David Duke: Former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard Says Donald Trump Is 'Best of the Lot' for President
Duke said on his radio show that Trump is the best Republican presidential candidate because he "understands the real sentiment of America." Duke ran for the Democratic nomination in 1988.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-25, 20:09:48
Kind of surprised that Duke wanted to be a Democrat contender so quite an insight.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-08-25, 23:35:48

Kind of surprised that Duke wanted to be a Democrat contender so quite an insight.


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History Of The Democrats And The KKK.....(Why the Democrats started the KKK)



Quote from:     http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309727/posts    
........."Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings."

Further, the first grand wizard of the KKK was honored at the 1868 Democratic National Convention, no Democrats voted for the 14th Amendment to grant citizenship to former slaves and, to this day, the party website ignores those decades of racism, he said.

"Although it is relatively unreported today, historical documents are unequivocal that the Klan was established by Democrats and that the Klan played a prominent role in the Democratic Party," Barton writes in his book. "In fact, a 13-volume set of congressional investigations from 1872 conclusively and irrefutably documents that fact......... SOURCE (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309727/posts)







More  dEMOCRAT   KKK  facts from the HISTORY CHANNEL (http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan)

The above isn't a fantasy, it is etched in fact that can't be refuted.......The KKK was founded & nourished as the strong arm of the dEMONRAT Party, the party of racism.......past & present.......period.

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-08-26, 02:45:35
You're too genteel to mention it, Smiley, but it was vigorous defense of the 2nd Amendment that protected "new" black Americans from lynching... The "law" took quite a while to catch up.
(Remind me sometime to relay an incident from the '60s...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-26, 04:16:01
With a two-party corporate control it doesn't help the democracy side at all. I don't have any time for the KKK whilst at the same time wasn't it the case the founder did not have in mind what it eventually turned out to be?

That Democrats can be just as head shaking as much of the Republican corner illustrates some system oddity. On the other side  wasn't it the Republicans who were up to their ears in the un-American activities purges back in the 1950's? Some really odd situations altogether when you just observe.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-08-26, 06:43:03
On the other side  wasn't it the Republicans who were up to their ears in the un-American activities purges back in the 1950's?
You mean the Soviets infiltrating our government, trade unions, ngo's and industries being found out? :) Attempting to overthrow the U.S. government by subversion is -- oh, what are the words I'm looking for? Hm. ... Oh, yeah: An act of war!
Your Great Kingdom had so many Communists in positions of power that your tabloids gave up trying to keep track! (Not to mention, how many British were committed to the Red Cause...) But you'd become close enough to their views that nothing more was needed...
When you speak of our "purges" you show your extreme ignorance, RJ. Just because Joe McCarthy was a buffoon doesn't mean that his premise was wrong; in fact (in documented fact), he was right.

You're just sad we haven't yet become as Red as you-all!

What will you do, when the North Sea oil runs out? Sell Irn Bru? :) (Surely, the English will have given you the boot, by then... The Welsh don't matter. And the Irish will once again remain neutral, ever willing to cut off their nose to spite their face -- which trait I suspect they got from your lot.) Of course, if you can see America in ruins before then, you'll be happy!
Dream on... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-08-26, 10:25:57
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30545300 (http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30545300)
Is unemployment around the corner?
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Around 375,000 people work in the UK oil industry and half of those are in north east Scotland.

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-08-30, 01:20:17
Well Oakdale you have just proved your an imbecile head on. That the principle of Mccarthyism was okay? Duh. So it was okay to have the American Nazi party but not the Communists and you lot yak about being a democracy? Over there unless you are a Republican or Democrat you have no chance of anything outside of that hence the low vote at your last general election. We practice democracy whilst you talk about it as a country. Maybe you could explain why in a would-be democracy much of the control is by the millionaire set? Why a million a year lose homes, why 40 million out of 300 million are poor and living on food stamps, why you run a military you cannot afford but would rather spend on it and warring in the world than dealing with all those fellow citizens who are blighted? Rockwell would have been right up your street no problem.

On a more general note for sensible ex-colonists here (and I don't let a neo-fascist effect it) I note that the Vice-President is wondering if he should stand. As far as the Democrats are concerned he would probably be a better consideration than that stroppy mouthed female Clinton. Spying and intrigue was only done by the Sovetis? For goodness sake how stupid are you? U2 was an excursion that made a mistake perhaps. For a country that sniffs at monarchies you are well into aristocratic family stuff eh? She was hopeless in international affairs and wars as well as lying her damn head off. Maybe Biden would be less controversial and as for the republicans they are in joke land with a whole army of would-be candidates including idiots.  There are many sensible and decent folk in the ex-colonies who would (without being extremist) others on the Hill apart from the corporate controlled Democrats and republicans but those two have corrupted things beyond routine and decency. Both lie to the people and folk are stuck with a system that no longer suited the country in modern times.

One can only groan and hope that a real and wide democracy was to morph into such a military and corporate State - and before it goes bankrupt or the Commies in China call in their debts. People over there NEED a wider choice in Congress or Senate than they are getting.

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-09-02, 04:13:03

Well Oakdale.....(old keech deleted)

Hey there old chap, remind us who rules the waves these days?




















But hey, at least "Britain never, never will be slaves...."eh?  :devil:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-09-02, 06:20:46
and before it goes bankrupt or the Commies in China call in their debts.


You hear this sometimes, usually in a rant of some kind... :whistle: ...But it doesn't seem likely. The Chinese can't do anything to devalue the currency they hold so much of. Not at this point anyway.

There's the optimistic view - That the "Commies" will collapse under capitalism and the US eventually settles that debt for cents on the dollar.  :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-03, 02:58:01
Ha ha nice one.

As for you Colonel Rebel just look at the mess you have made of ruling the waves. Up to your neck as a country in trillions of debt bu the armament manufacturers making sure they get their dollars. You cannot afford that military but you lot are so whacked into thinking you have some given right to rule the world. You even sail your "fleet" as near to mainland China as possible which shows your scurrilous lack of principle that the Reds have indirectly give you the chance to have the ships. A bit of goodness is that 3 or is it 4 Chinese navy ships are at present in the Baring Strait as near as to Alaska as they can so good to see someone playing your game in return. Oh, ho, you won't like that over there although you think it is okay for you to do it!

As for the nationalist heavy Oakdale wanting to deplete 'keech' I just say that really takes the biscuit as it is a great Scots word for that Americanism exported everywhere and namely 'crap.' I prefer not to be harnessed by American nonsense that others are propagated into like that crap word, awesome, law enforcement, etc.

Anyway the farce that the corporates allow and called an election will make no damn difference to the tens of millions of poor in America and it is bad enough seeing a whole army of Republicans wanting to be President but Clinton on the other side?? Neither party will be much different and that has been shown by Obama killing more by drones than GW, ignoring sovereign borders, creating more spying on US citizens who think they are free. Instead of running a giant miltary you cannot afford and insteadspending something on the increasing numbers suffering inside your own borders the problem will only be dealt with when you go belly up.

Mind you maybe you in a practical sense should reduce things militarily as a soldier commits suicicide every day and there are 10 million ex-colonists with well mental issues.

Thanks for reminding me.... :cheers:

ps. That is Irn Bru so don't get flashy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-09-03, 16:37:06

Ha ha nice one.

As for you Colonel Rebel just look at the mess you have made of ruling the waves. Up to your neck as a country in trillions of debt bu the armament manufacturers making sure they get their dollars. You cannot afford that military but you lot are so whacked into thinking you have some given right to rule the world. You even sail your "fleet" as near to mainland China as possible which shows your scurrilous lack of principle that the Reds have indirectly give you the chance to have the ships. A bit of goodness is that 3 or is it 4 Chinese navy ships are at present in the Baring Strait as near as to Alaska as they can so good to see someone playing your game in return. Oh, ho, you won't like that over there although you think it is okay for you to do it!

As for the nationalist heavy Oakdale wanting to deplete 'keech' I just say that really takes the biscuit as it is a great Scots word for that Americanism exported everywhere and namely 'crap.' I prefer not to be harnessed by American nonsense that others are propagated into like that crap word, awesome, law enforcement, etc.

Anyway the farce that the corporates allow and called an election will make no damn difference to the tens of millions of poor in America and it is bad enough seeing a whole army of Republicans wanting to be President but Clinton on the other side?? Neither party will be much different and that has been shown by Obama killing more by drones than GW, ignoring sovereign borders, creating more spying on US citizens who think they are free. Instead of running a giant miltary you cannot afford and insteadspending something on the increasing numbers suffering inside your own borders the problem will only be dealt with when you go belly up.

Mind you maybe you in a practical sense should reduce things militarily as a soldier commits suicicide every day and there are 10 million ex-colonists with well mental issues.

Thanks for reminding me.... :cheers:

ps. That is Irn Bru so don't get flashy.

3 responses:

1. "I" did none of that. Being as how you think generalization is a-ok, I'll just lump you into the Scots for Independence group, as generalizing is apparently your preferred way of doing things.

2. It wasn't Oakdale who used the word "old keech", it was I, and it was I who deleted your old keech ramblings so as to get back to the point.  :cheers:

3. Care to remind me whose Bank(s) are also employing Quantitive Easing as well? (Not that I expect you to know what it is of course)

Finally, what an awesome bunch of cops you no doubt have over there, who do not think their jobs are crap.  :devil: :devil: :devil:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-03, 19:20:01
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Stomachs are churning again after China's stockmarket endured its biggest one-day fall since 2007; even Chinese state media called August 24th "Black Monday". From the rand to the ringgit, emerging-market currencies slumped. Commodity prices fell into territory not seen since 1999. The contagion infected Western markets, too. Germany's DAX index fell to more than 20% below its peak. American stocks whipsawed: General Electric was at one point down by more than 20%.

Rich-world markets have regained some of their poise. But three fears remain: that China's economy is in deep trouble; that emerging markets are vulnerable to a full-blown crisis; and that the long rally in rich-world markets is over. Some aspects of these worries are overplayed and others are misplaced. Even so, this week's panic contains the unnerving message that the malaise in the world economy is real.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-03, 19:35:03
Mind you maybe you in a practical sense should reduce things militarily as a soldier commits suicicide every day and there are 10 million ex-colonists with well mental issues.

The ex-teacher in me can't bypass this any longer.
suicicide
with well mental issues
Mind you maybe you
=====================
From The Telegraph.
"More British soldiers commit suicide than die in battle, figures suggest."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-09-03, 21:40:42

From The Telegraph.
"More British soldiers commit suicide than die in battle, figures suggest."

This could be changed easily by starting new wars.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-03, 21:56:24
This could be changed easily by starting new wars.

I'm sure we will. Germany seems to have lost its appetite for war, but we may not have. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-04, 17:32:56
Nice try about the number of solider deaths here by suicide and especially when they are in figures around the two dozen to 30 mark which is a hell of  of a way lower than 365.

Anyway on the Presidential farce procedure it does not matter whether the corporate Republicans or corporate Democrats win as it will not make a damn difference to ordinary Americans. Both parties are up to their ears in drones, war, destabilising and so on. Many sensible people know they are stuck with the system and any chance of another party getting in has as much chance as me kissing the Papal ring. I think that IS sad (the system not kissing the ring). This built-in and narrowed down system does not provide the people with what they should have and that is a broad based democracy. As many here on the forum re also aware the tradition of keeping up wars has a more background one of the money barons in the armament industry and whoever is voted into the White House will keep that going. Too many have had propaganda drummed into them by politicians and much of the media that is all about "security."  This is damnable and at the same time frustrating for the sensible minds.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-09, 06:16:19
Nice try about the number of solider deaths here by suicide and especially when they are in figures around the two dozen to 30 mark which is a hell of  of a way lower than 365.
RJ, if you commit suicide -- that's 100% dead. If you have a brother and he does and you don't -- that's 50%. If your military commit suicide --in proportion to others-- what does that say? To you: Nothing; you don't deal with real-world problems! You were (and only could have been) a government employee: Playing with statistics is what kept you employed, and ignoring problems was how you made your living.

How many Scots are in your military? What percentage is two dozen or 30, compared with how many are in the U.S.'s military? (I know it's math! But, Geeze!, hadn't you got past the not eating paste and learning to color inside the lines level of education? I'll understand, that you never learned to write grammatical English: You aren't English! But you'd be ruled by them, because you know -deep down in your heart- all Scottish politicians are nuts! :) SNP seems to be one of your boogie-men. So: Do the math, or ask someone to do it for you...
What answer do you get?)
This built-in and narrowed down system does not provide the people with what they should have and that is a broad based democracy.
You mean, like electing and following the leadership of people like Nicola Sturgeon? :)
RJ, you are always hoist on your own petard! Had you sense enough to stay home and only protect your own, your attacks wouldn't likely injure you. The offense you suffer is of your own making: You're silly presumptions cause you to appear a goat looking for --any!-- other to take its place!
That does make you seem ridiculous! You know? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-09, 19:06:35
This from a country that has Trump in the frame?

I live in a far wider democracy than you do and get out more. Trillions in debt and a massive military you cannot afford but that is a must or your corporate military supply industry will not be happy. And may i again remind you AGAIN as you don't seem to have lasting continuity that Scotland is part of Gt Britain and we do NOT have a separate army. With the cock-up your military made in South Vietnam and the laughable training of the Iraqi army keep your gas at a peep house hermit.

Anyway for the 40 plus million poor in the "greatest country in the world" ( :o), millions losing homes, people gunned down where is the progress inside the country? it doesn't happen and where it does it is amongst the corporate rich who run a system which lacks democracy and rights of the people. The stuff in that Constitution sounds good but in practice it has not worked for an awful long time. Clinton is a liar and a waste of space and I would not put her in charge of a midden never mind a country. As for the other lot laughing at them is not a direction but head shaking is.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-09, 19:14:55
This from a country that has Trump in the frame?

Let's not forget Salmond and Sturgeon. You must know that Trump is going nowhere, sad to say. He'd make an outstanding choice from the Democrat perspective.
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The percentage of households falling below society's minimum standard of living in Scotland has increased from 14 per cent to 33 per cent over the last 30 years, despite the size of the economy doubling. This is one of the stark findings from the largest study of poverty and deprivation ever conducted in the UK.
...............
In Scotland today, when comparing people's actual living standards with the minimum standards which the public thinks everyone should have, researchers found:
almost one million people cannot afford adequate housing conditions
800,000 people are too poor to engage in common social activities
over a quarter of a million children and adults aren't properly fed

And that's out of a  population of 5,347,600.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-09-10, 00:39:33
Apparently only 432 people own over 90% of Scotland's private lands.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-10, 00:44:11

Apparently only 432 people own over 90% of Scotland's private lands.


Is anybody surprised? Much of the thinking is still feudal, with lairds owning great mansions and much of the land-- and serfs/freemen of one sort or another dependent upon the laird for their well-being.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-10, 14:46:55
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-09-11, 05:54:24


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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-11, 14:34:57
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-11, 19:11:44
Neither Sturgeon or Salmond are like Trump and fine you know it jimbro and is your way of trying to avoid how much of a laugh your country is in the world.

As for mjsmsprt40. He well emphasises the traditional American tradition of getting a wee bit of information and misusing it to hide the way America is run. May I remind him and other part knowledge gaspers that the vast areas that are so owned are hardly places that are part of routine society. Those estates are usually in places towns would not be visited especially in the mountainous areas of the Highlands. It is the usual ex-colonist simpleton brain use that does a body swerve from the way their own nut job land is run. Cities that go bankrupt, large numbers of homeless and poor that are supposed to be living in the world's greatest place ( dear, oh dear). If you lot had a wide and proper democracy instead of the farce run by corporates and Wall Street. Much of this country is not suitable for building on due to the geography but then with the duh education in the US that shows here hardly surprising!

As for the Presidential farce and which will be decided by the corporate money barons there isn't a decent candidate at all. Whoever is elected it will not make a damn difference to the trillions of debt the desperation to be militarily and imperial world rules the tens of millions of poor and so on.  Over two centuries and still never grown up!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-09-11, 19:59:14

Neither Sturgeon or Salmond are like Trump and fine you know it jimbro and is your way of trying to avoid how much of a laugh your country is in the world.

As for mjsmsprt40. He well emphasises the traditional American tradition of getting a wee bit of information and misusing it to hide the way America is run. May I remind him and other part knowledge gaspers that the vast areas that are so owned are hardly places that are part of routine society. Those estates are usually in places towns would not be visited especially in the mountainous areas of the Highlands. It is the usual ex-colonist simpleton brain use that does a body swerve from the way their own nut job land is run. Cities that go bankrupt, large numbers of homeless and poor that are supposed to be living in the world's greatest place ( dear, oh dear). If you lot had a wide and proper democracy instead of the farce run by corporates and Wall Street. Much of this country is not suitable for building on due to the geography but then with the duh education in the US that shows here hardly surprising!

As for the Presidential farce and which will be decided by the corporate money barons there isn't a decent candidate at all. Whoever is elected it will not make a damn difference to the trillions of debt the desperation to be militarily and imperial world rules the tens of millions of poor and so on.  Over two centuries and still never grown up!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-09-11, 23:22:49
Jimbro! Why the hell do you repeat rj's maniacal ill-informed mis-spelled ungrammatical gibberish?Is it to emphasise what utter drivel it is and expose the poor devil's shortcomings? Most of us realise it if we read it the first time.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: tt92 on 2015-09-11, 23:39:08
My apologies, Jimbro.
I have since read the rest of today's posts and find myself doing the same thing.
What a sad little slogan-chanter he is.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-12, 04:42:29
your way of trying to avoid how much of a laugh your country is in the world.
And yet your country is known for kilts and bagpipes... You're as silly as those who think so!
(Sillier, actually: You think you know something! The Oracle at Delphi would have deemed you the least wise of your kind, had you got off your sheep and asked... :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-12, 17:16:15
p if you wish like a couple of others dear big head but when you keep repeating your pomposity your argument gets weaker ewr all the time. So do stick to it. Considering my long history of public involvement and you lot are hoi-polloi trying to be something on a damn forum tells much too!

And dear Rockwell, oops, meant Oakdale. I have made it abundantly clear on the Opera and this Forum I am neither interested in kilts or bagpipes and prefer a good flute and drum band instead. So you are constantly flogging a dead horse dear man. And anyway there are vast numbers of your compatriots over there in nutjob land Oaky who are fanatics about pipes and kilts. This also includes your SS, sorry meant city police forces that have pipe bands and kilt so maybe you should think more before typing but I really must try and be concerned that you do not get enough fresh air through the grey cells.

As for the thread we all dash well know that the tens of millions of Americans who are suffering in that part democracy will see no change in their damned lives which is terrible. That is yet again something totally ignored here because a little clique wants a nice wee club and to side step the truth. It does not matter a two penny damn whether the Democrats or Republicans win the White House those millions will not have any positive help because both parties are hand in glove with the corporates who really run the country. That they run both Houses on the 'Hill such a situation only emphasises the hypocrisy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-09-12, 17:30:40
I have made it abundantly clear on the Opera and this Forum I am neither interested in kilts or bagpipes and prefer a good flute and drum band instead.

Don't you get it? If stereotypes of your to believed, your country would be full kilts, bagpipes, and sheep-shagging, wife-beating drunks. Likewise, the US defies its stereotypes far more then it affirms them.

Who's rockwell? :confused:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-13, 15:47:27

I have made it abundantly clear on the Opera and this Forum I am neither interested in kilts or bagpipes and prefer a good flute and drum band instead.

Don't you get it? If stereotypes of your to believed, your country would be full kilts, bagpipes, and sheep-shagging, wife-beating drunks. Likewise, the US defies its stereotypes far more then it affirms them.

Who's rockwell? :confused:


NOW you've got me scared. Can you REALLY not ever have heard of Norman Rockwell, the artist? He did a whole lot of pictures depicting American scenes around the 1940s and '50s, even into the Kennedy years. See here:

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-09-13, 19:47:12
I think Mr. Howie is a secret SNP member and Red Socks wearer.  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-14, 02:04:37
Not surprised you are scared mjsmsprt4. I would be too living in such mad country as you do..... :devil: Neat dance by you too.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-09-15, 09:31:40
NOW you've got me scared. Can you REALLY not ever have heard of Norman Rockwell, the artist?

Obviously I have. It would be bizarre for Howie to call Oakdale that, though :confused: In fact, that would be compliment. It would be like me being offended because someone called me Stephen King.
I think Mr. Howie is a secret SNP member and Red Socks wearer.  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)

You are correct, sir! :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-16, 05:03:54
It would be bizarre for Howie to call Oakdale that, though  :confused:  In fact, that would be compliment.
Indeed, I have been a painter -- but not very good. Certainly, not as good as Norman Rockwell; although he isn't high in my esteem... Still -as Sang says- I feel complimented!
I like his stuff. But he's no Rembrandt or Renoir... (I'd consider him a Toulouse-Lautrec.) And I'd take Howie's estimation of art as seriously as I'd take his editorial advice! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-16, 18:32:47
Well now hermit Oakdale may I say that art was amongst my top subjects at school. As my city has world renowned galleries, I can understand that not getting out to mix with the world at large can effect thinking so making generous allowances. The theme of this thread started as Presidential thing but it comes under art in a general and flexible way - humour.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-09-17, 21:41:03

HEY DONALD.....STRONG WINDS A COMIN' ON THE HORIZON!


(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2Fm5I1NtZ.jpg&hash=2f1c82a7c2203f93883b2fc8fb54e685" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://imgur.com/m5I1NtZ.jpg)


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-19, 06:19:24
Well now hermit Oakdale may I say that art was amongst my top subjects at school.
Did you ever manage to color within the lines? :)
Seriously, I grew up in Boston (and Cambridge). Boston's Museum of Fine Arts is somewhat known... (And Harvard's Fogg Museum has had some remarkable pieces on display during the times I was a frequent visitor.) Boston's Symphony Orchestra, (the Pops, too; and a few schools of music -- including Berklee!) And, of course, you know that stage plays and musicals that bomb in Boston usually don't get to Broadway...
But I wonder how you'd consider someone who's lived in California, Massachusetts, New York, Texas, Colorado; and visited most of the other U.S. states... How is such a person considered a hermit?
Where have you lived, your whole life? Well, RJ?

Subjects!? Nonsense, man! Show me your work... What have you created? (Beside discord, and rancor... :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-19, 13:04:14
Listen hermit. I don't have toexplain anything to a militiaman Yank and as it happens in my second year at Secondary School got a picture put in the Glasgow palace of Art in a school competition.

Anyway back to that other variation of woud-be art re America's comedy spot the Presidential thing.

The Republican Party is in a mess what with what is it now candidates in double figures? Haha.Trump no doubt appeals to a number of Republican people as they are dumb about politics and the truth is he will not get the party nomination. As for the Democrats the other half of conglomerate and corporate control they will win the election and no doubt that woman, Clintno. To the millions of poor will mean not a damn thing and even with the Obama care stuff there are still Americans in millions who have no insurance.

So for the countless numbers at the bottom it makes no damn difference to them.Sad really.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-09-19, 13:58:16
I like his stuff. But he's no Rembrandt or Renoir... (I'd consider him a Toulouse-Lautrec.)

I agree with that. Anyway I like his work and consider it a very good representation of a certain image of America. How much such image it's true or not that would be a much more interesting theme than the current thread's topic.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-09-19, 16:34:20
Subjects!? Nonsense, man! Show me your work... What have you created? (Beside discord, and rancor...  :)  )

Now you've run him out of options :left: Unless you consider anti-americanism a different subject, of course
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-21, 03:44:42
I think that reason why Trump gets a depth of popularity is because like in many western countries people can get a wee bitty tired of the regular politics so if they are not too indepth willnot be sensible to think wisely for a proper politician. As I said the fact that the Republican lot have a what is it - a dozen or so wnating to be the candidate shows how much of a mess he party is in. He will not get the candidature and I am sure of that and even if the party was completely head shaking for him the American people would not have him anywhere near the White House . Any residence of sensibility in the Republican Party will save jhem the job of tolerating such a fool. The man makes a fool of himself and his country by his ignorance and stupidity. He is an embarrassment but most Americans will breath a sigh of relief when the Republican Party chase him.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-09-22, 04:33:17
I agree with RJ.....I think "The Donald" is a fawkin' asshole!

Even though, to his credit, back in the late 70's his lot contributed handsomely to the boys of the IRA, he's still a fawkin' asshole!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: string on 2015-09-23, 17:37:05

I agree with RJ.....I think "The Donald" is a fawkin' asshole!

Even though, to his credit, back in the late 70's his lot contributed handsomely to the boys of the IRA, he's still a fawkin' asshole!


So he is not just a "f a" but also has a huge dollop of bad judgement, supporting a bunch of murderous loosers".

I'm  glad to be reassured he will not be elected to damage the good name of the U.S. of A.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-23, 19:39:42
The problem is that while The Donald may not get elected, he can do an enormous amount of damage in the run-up to not getting elected.

Remember the damage that Ross Perot managed to do to the Democrat party? Some people think that Ross Perot may have drained enough votes from the Democrat candidate that it gave the election to the Republican by default.

The Donald has the capability of doing that kind of damage to the Republicans. He could guarantee a Hillary victory just by his being in the campaign in any capacity.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-23, 23:56:01
[Slight correction, mjm: Perot gave the election to William Jefferson Clinton -- the Democrat.] The dynamic is not much different now. (Three-party races are what they are.) But the situation is: GHW Bush was Reagan's VP for eight years and president for four...the incumbent in the election you refer to. Perot was an outsider who knew enough to recognize that he'd never get the Republican nomination (and he wouldn't become a Democrat), so he ran as an independent. And cost the Republican incumbent the election.
(Wiki says "Exit polls also showed that Ross Perot drew 38% of his vote from Bush, and 38% of his vote from Clinton, while the rest of his voters would have stayed home had he not been on the ballot." That strikes me as naive statistics...)
Now we have -as we did in 2008- a race with no incumbent. This is an "up for grabs" election: The likely nominees may not prevail.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-24, 00:57:23
Oakdale--- you're right. My memory appears to be slipping.

Seems I remember Ralph Nader causing trouble for the Democrats. He didn't draw much more than single-digits if I remember, but in races where the difference between GWB and Al Gore (the first time around for GWB) and GWB against John Kerry were close--- the drain that Nader created just might have made the difference.

In any case---- these freak-show candidates may be good for laughs but they're terrible for getting good candidates into office.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-24, 01:21:02
[...] these freak-show candidates may be good for laughs but they're terrible for getting good candidates into office.
I've not entirely given up on getting good candidates into office... But we haven't had a Ronald Reagan in a very long time! :) (Barry Goldwater was an early favorite of mine...)
What -- particularly -- would keep you from voting for Donald Trump, should he get the nomination? (I'll keep my speculations to myself; and my own opinions. I just want to know what you think.)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-24, 02:21:40
If Trump gave money to that crowd of prehistoric, ignorant scumbags of the cave dwelling and murderous IRA  scum murderers then shame on him and anyone who thinks that was constructive. How Americans can dish big money to such people (and he wasn't alone) is beyond intelligence and what is even worse than their killings is that they are very, very   left wing and thuggish Socialist mindsets. Political hypocrisy
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: string on 2015-09-24, 12:12:33
Since we don't have Presidents in the UK, there is not exactly an exact comparison, but the remarks on getting a good Republican Candidate strikes a chord with me even though were I an American I would probably lean towards the Democrats.

Those that are slightly interested might have noticed that the UK' has two major parties, Conservative and Labour - right of centre and left of centre respectively. Well Labour have recently elected a new Leader recently by the name of Corbyn who is very much on the left of left-of-centre. So much so in fact that it is quite possible that his Party stands no chance at all in future General Elections. As a floating voter whose vote has to be earned I like to have a real choice, not have only one party to vote for. So even though I voted for the Conservatives at the last election I don't want to be marooned there.

There is a parallel with the odd-ball candidate for Republican Candidate becoming the Republican Choice. The best situation, I feel, is if both eventual main candidates for President are up to the job.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-09-24, 23:59:31

[...] these freak-show candidates may be good for laughs but they're terrible for getting good candidates into office.
I've not entirely given up on getting good candidates into office... But we haven't had a Ronald Reagan in a very long time! :) (Barry Goldwater was an early favorite of mine...)
What -- particularly -- would keep you from voting for Donald Trump, should he get the nomination? (I'll keep my speculations to myself; and my own opinions. I just want to know what you think.)


What would keep me from voting for Trump? The guy is a freaking CLOWN, that's what. It would be hard to imagine a worse possible choice for president. If by chance he wins the Republican nomination--- that's it, they're through as a serious party.

He puts himself up as some sort of businessman-- but this is a man who managed to lose money OWNING a casino. Now that takes some doing. Look--- as a showman, he's hard to beat. As somebody you would actually want to sit in the Oval Office, as "commander in chief" and all the rest of it----- we just have to do better than Trump.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-26, 05:03:48
Well I have already pointed out that Trump will get nowhere. I pointed out that some would like him because they are tired of the general political scene but the vasyt majority of Americans will keep their distance even if the Republicans were daft enough to make him their candidate. That will not happen but that party has a big, big, problem and that they have a whole bunch of people wanting to be the candidate shows how much they are in disarray.

Trump is a complete idiot and that he thinks some of the cruel things he stupidly says about other people are funny then what a farce he is! The main negative about him is that he is embarrassing the country to the rest of the world.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-09-26, 05:12:49
The main negative about him is that he is embarrassing the country to the rest of the world.


So he's like America's rjhowie.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-26, 05:47:21
:)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-27, 01:35:39
Shows the unfortunate general world ignorance of the ex-colonies there ersi. Someone like him would get nowehere here but therein we have a wider democracy than you  and a more grown up voters You will not of course that I commented that in nutjob land Trump would be booted.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-09-27, 04:15:16
Shows the unfortunate general world ignorance of the ex-colonies there ersi.
Would you mind, RJ, referencing ersi's comment? :)
Or admit that, as usual, you don't even know who you're talking to! (But, since you seldom know what you're saying, it shouldn't matter, eh?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-09-27, 19:19:21
I'm gonna let him try to weasel out of that before I point out some interesting correlations.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-09-30, 19:57:26
It wouldn't be so bad Oakdale for a criticism if it was not from someone like yourself. You are a house hermit and stuck in books and that gives you the self-importance that would be lost amongst the outside and normal world. I mix with people, organisations, life in general and do try to make allowances for your lack of confidence on that outside world. I dare say it keeps you happy!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-03, 14:47:14
The real problem with this election cycle is that it's hard to make a parody of it. This election cycle IS a parody. See below:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-10-04, 02:25:34
Haha, well done. Some clever translation work all told!  :lol:

I feel that there are many people in America who would like a change from just the Democrats and Republican matter but getting tired of much of what is happening.  Salaries are not shooting up and the gap (which is basically acceptable as a principle) is now far wider than ever befor and in fact, rocketing. Seventeen million citizens cannot afford health insurance along with all the other strains. You cannot help but feel for them and understand why the last Hill elections total was not impressive. You do need aa wider system than you have mjsmsprt40 and the lack of it is turning many people of. There are so many decent and thinking people who are politically getting nothing valid.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-10-04, 02:46:07
[The criticism wouldn't be so bad were it] not from someone like yourself. You are a house hermit and stuck in books and that gives you the self-importance that would be lost amongst the outside and normal world. I mix with people, organisations, life in general and do try to make allowances for your lack of confidence on that outside world.
From where do you get these outrageously misinformed tidbits, from which you've built such a woefully misguided précis of my life? :)
RJ, take your meds! (They're "free" ain't they? :) )

Or --just once-- get drunk and get laid! :) (If the lady says her name is L-O-L-A, Lola...pass out! See what happens. You might like it...)

I don't really know why you have such animosity for those who, unlike yourself, can actually read books -- without losing a major part of their "free" time. (I'm not the speediest of readers, but I can keep my place in a book -for years, if needed- without missing important dates or abrogating commitments...)

You imply that your travels are more extensive than mine. Hm. Haven't the extremes been crossing the Atlantic? Which peoples did you meet while doing so? :)
I've traveled the U.S. pretty extensively... Lived in many places. Of course, you'd want to talk about foreigners, as a dodge. But, RJ, foreigners are everywhere in the U.S. Always have been! And I've not had any particular problems because of my supposed xenophobia, linguistic inadequacy or feelings of superiority (...that really is your bugaboo, in't? :) -- I'll come back to this, another time). I've "traveled" at least as much as you! (And I'm younger! :) )

I'm going out on a limb here: God only knows what criticism you referred to... (I'm too drunk to search...) But, kiddo, boy-o, my Scots friend: You seem often to be calling a fellow a queer, because he told you your fly is undone as you exit the Loo. (In the old sense of the word:) You're a queer duck, Howie!
Isn't it more likely that he was just trying to save you some embarrassment?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-10-04, 08:09:55

I've not entirely given up on getting good candidates into office... But we haven't had a Ronald Reagan in a very long time! :)

Ronald Reagan, the dumbest President since Herbert Hoover? :D

Ronald Reagan's world map:
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-10-05, 00:56:53
Hey Oakland, maybe you should have waited until one of your occasional dry sessions?!  :lol:

As for travelling it is one thing going about one's own country (even though your s is large) but the average Joe over there cannot get much further as they really cannot afford it. Tell you what. When it comes to that carnival called a Presidential Election you argue with yourself to be sober on the voting day and ensure you can walk in a straigh line (will cheer you own dear man) and you will be so confident that you will be able to work out who to vote for! Maybe i could send you a crate of Irn Bru to celebrate before you slip back to normal??  :D

On a more general note away from my distant pal, it will not make a damn difference to the legions of the ordinary, poor or suffering who wins the election. Now that IS sad.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-10-08, 18:35:16
One good consolation is that Americans will not put Trump in the White Houe and I will be confident enough to congratulate that in advance. Good on you! :up:

Hope you don't mind OakdaleFTL?  ;)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2015-10-09, 06:39:03
it have been a while ...

so, who is Republican Candidate.

and who is Democrat candidate ?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-10-09, 07:46:43
They haven't been chosen yet, by their respective conventions... :) It's an odd system, I know. But there it is.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-10-09, 13:19:57
They haven't had the Iowa caucuses yet. Talk about something weird in American politics, I suspect the Iowa caucuses is about as weird as it gets. I won't pretend to explain it-- I have a suspicion folk from Iowa would be hard-put to explain it. But--- they're first. After that, New Hampshire has its primaries--- which at least are understandable in normal voting procedures. Then over a period of several weeks the rest of the states have their primaries. The conventions--- where the candidates for each party are actually chosen-- come in late July/early August of next year.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-09, 15:37:18
I don't envy your extremely long process. But on the plus side (maybe), several have dropped out, haven't they? ;)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-10-12, 03:51:34
A friend of mine who has lived with her husband (both Scots) in California for decades mentioned to me in an email that there is a Democrat would-be Presidential candidate who is a Socialist. I do recall a passing reference in a news item recently but she has said he is getting more money in that liar Clinton. Is that true?

Personally, I am not a Socialist however it seems that so many ordinary people over there are being left behind and the system is failing them for the money people and the crowds he gets says something very direct.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-13, 10:13:23
I suppose you mean Bernie Sanders? He's more of a fairly centrist-ish social-democrat from the European perspective. Our socialist parties wouldn't be very happy with his policies.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-10-13, 12:26:43
Not to worry, guys: Bernie Sanders has been in the Senate for decades, and he's as likely to be nominated as the Democrat candidate as Abe Lincoln! (Who, BTW. is still dead...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-10-13, 14:50:59
It's a part of a Scandinavian government takeover.



(Mondale for President!)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-10-14, 02:59:21
Yes, Sanders. Actually America could do with someone like him and the young in particular who are increasingly frustrated are loyal to him. Much of his campaign money comes from people and individual gifts but unfortunately the USA is still to stuck in the mess and corporate control. Clinton will get the nomination unfortunately instead and will make no damn  difference to the millions of poor, people unable to get health insurance, poverty, homelessness, military imperialism and so on. Sad but maybe one day.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-10-14, 11:25:23
Bernie Sanders., Wall Street regulates Congress!


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-10-15, 06:18:38
Yes, Sanders. Actually America could do with someone like him and the young in particular who are increasingly frustrated are loyal to him. Much of his campaign money comes from people and individual gifts
... Much like in my day, when the write-in vote was pretty impressive for Mickey Mouse! :)
Sang, you can't run a country of 325 million people of diverse racial and ethnic backgrounds like the Scandinavian countries... (I know, I quoted RJ! But he's hopeless!) 20+ millions, and mostly racially "pure" -- which is to say, culturally akin. They can make almost anything work... If they don't allow "foreign" influences to muck it up.
Our problems are different, both in scope and perspective... (I don't think you expected that last term: But you have some expertise in the "social" sciences: Think on it, and get back to me?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-15, 10:24:42
Sang, you can't run a country of 325 million people of diverse racial and ethnic backgrounds like the Scandinavian countries... (I know, I quoted RJ! But he's hopeless!) 20+ millions, and mostly racially "pure" -- which is to say, culturally akin. They can make almost anything work... If they don't allow "foreign" influences to muck it up.

I don't buy that. While the American ideal may be e pluribus unum, that abstract concept describes neither reality nor a realistically attainable (or desirable) goal. Au fond the American stew is "Protestant" Anglo-Dutch, mostly inspired by Puritanism and European Enlightenment, with a few spices. The multicultural, multi-ethnic society is a liberal idée fixe to be taken with a huge grain of salt. An idée fixe which is oddly mirrored by conservatives in their fear of a decline in national unity and an unwarranted distrust in America's Americanizing capacity.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-10-15, 17:06:59
While the American ideal may be e pluribus unum, that abstract concept describes neither reality nor a realistically attainable (or desirable) goal.

Nor is one remotely one that I claimed to support.  Nor does it have anything to do with the video I posted. I have no idea why Oakdale is confusing me with Jax and that shall remain a mystery.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-15, 22:09:02
I don't buy that. While the American ideal may be e pluribus unum, that abstract concept describes neither reality nor a realistically attainable (or desirable) goal. Au fond the American stew is "Protestant" Anglo-Dutch, mostly inspired by Puritanism and European Enlightenment, with a few spices. The multicultural, multi-ethnic society is a liberal idée fixe to be taken with a huge grain of salt. An idée fixe which is oddly mirrored by conservatives in their fear of a decline in national unity and an unwarranted distrust in America's Americanizing capacity.

:lol:
Another one turning Catholic... culturally Catholic, I mean.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-10-16, 08:47:31
Nor is one remotely one that I claimed to support.  Nor does it have anything to do with the video I posted. I have no idea why Oakdale is confusing me with Jax and that shall remain a mystery.

Hm, good point. Let's put our crystal balls away.  :sherlock:

Another one turning Catholic... culturally Catholic, I mean.

I'd say I'm more culturally Protestant, but I suppose the differences with Catholicism are greatly exaggerated. :P
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-16, 22:50:50
I'd say I'm more culturally Protestant, but I suppose the differences with Catholicism are greatly exaggerated.  :P

You don't know what you say, so I forgive you...  :rolleyes:

-----------------

The American voting something thread, now I'm going to vote as an invited intention voter... :)

Very much against my will, I can't vote for the conservative Republicans since they show to be a bunch of imbeciles.
That makes to remain Democrats and lunatics.

I'll vote for the lunatics.

That was the voting from the Lisbon juri. :)

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-10-17, 02:52:06
No harm to RC's Frenzie but the difference betwixt Protestantism and Romanism is exaggerated?1 Dear, oh dear, you reflect a social Prot thinking there chum. i don't disrespect Rome's right to exist as that would not be very thinking on freedom and rights but you re wrong in your passing comment.

Anyway what passes for a political system in the ex-colonies is in the usual simple terms - a joke. It does not matter a tinker's proverbial curse who wins the Presidential farce as all the spied on, poor, rights infringed, suffering in the US of A will still be stuck and so will the world with a global imperial war-mongering tyrant. If real democracy ever came to the USA it would cause social upheaval trying to adapt to it.

And hey, Belfrager, me beingaa train and tram fan if I ever went to Lisbon to get a ride on thiose trams going up those narrow steep streets I would treat you to a big mac!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-10-17, 03:39:03
It does not matter a tinker's proverbial curse who wins the Presidential farce as all the spied on, poor, rights infringed, suffering in the US of A will still be stuck and so will the world with a global imperial war-mongering tyrant.
(emphasis added)
Perhaps the more civilized, democratic, cultured and wiser peoples of the world should get off their duffs and do something... :)
Nah! Watch your telly. Senescence and senility go hand in hand. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-10-30, 13:07:34
That makes to remain Democrats and lunatics.

I'll vote for the lunatics.

Mr. Howie isn't an American. Back to the drawing board.

The global imperial war-mongering tyrant
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-10-30, 14:40:31

That was the voting from the Lisbon juri. :)

Lot of sabre-rattling lately. What next? War with Russia? War with China?

The grand jury from Hundsfotzhausen came to the conclusion that he (http://www.yesemails.com/goofypolitics/apeman/1.jpg) would be the best choice for president.
The guy has balls.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-10-30, 23:09:42
The grand jury from Hundsfotzhausen came to the conclusion that he (http://www.yesemails.com/goofypolitics/apeman/1.jpg) would be the best choice for president.
The guy has balls.

Indeed he has... what a marveilous president...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-01, 10:52:53
Be careful what you wish for.
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A woman who suffered horrific injuries after being mauled by a crazed chimpanzee has spoken for the first time about her ordeal.
Charla Nash, who had most of her face torn off during the frenzied attack, has also allowed herself to be photographed for the first time since the attack eight months ago.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226985/Woman-face-torn-crazed-chimp-speaks-time.html#ixzz3qEh0DQlg
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-02, 02:06:06
Yep back to the drawing board indeed!

Mind you I think what the US does need is a really fundamental look at it's board as it is unfortunately rather limiting. In fairness I don't think it was meant to go that way in the early days if you respect the integrity of some of the early political thinking but the disappointment is that it has well drifted away from hoped for progress. Leaving aside the easy digs at corporates and the tens of thousands of lobby folk on the Hill the average citizen is not getting better off in general and the gap between the top and routine is getting awfully big. Politically as far as actual parties go is far too reduced due to the big two. In other countries where say a Socialist participation is routine such people are almost treated as ghastly.

The country does need a far wider political party involvement and millions of Americans know this and  the last election on the hill with the percentage of voters kind of illustrated this need. In a wdier franchise more could be spent internally than externally and i am sure there are many who feel that too but sadly the corporate people are very deep into both Democrats and republicans. It must be deeply frustrating to many an intelligent citizen  that the system needs more than a tweek and the young these days are becoming more aware hence the interest in a Socialist wanting to be President.  That will not happen and although it is not my corner it would however if possible be a big boost to many in the States.

Nothing wrong to be basically proud of a nation without having to be nationalist although a person can be frustrated at how the system has been misused. A decent people deserve a better system all round and for now it does sadly make no difference how gets into the White House. The chances are it will be Clinton and thankfully I do not live over the water because she is not my cup of tea (soory coffe drinkers!). All round a decent people being hijacked.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-11-02, 02:35:45
..... chances are it will be Clinton and thankfully I do not live over the water because she is not my cup of tea (soory coffe drinkers!). All round a decent people being hijacked.








Now, I do expect the people blinded in the last 2 elections, to be further blinded by the desire to go down in history as being responsible for electing the "First Woman President in American History", to ignore her baggage, & do their
unpatriotic best for Vince Foster's whore. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/411510.stm)





Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-03, 19:33:49
Now, I do expect the people blinded in the last 2 elections, to be further blinded by the desire to go down in history as being responsible for electing the "First Woman President in American History", to ignore her baggage, & do their
unpatriotic best for Vince Foster's whore. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/411510.stm)

I listened to all the woe speakers in the last two elections, and I'm no worse off than I was eight years ago..no better, either.

Now it's time to listen to all the wailing about Hillary. Frankly, I don't give a damn if she wins or not, but if she wins the walls won't come tumbling down. The same goes for the hundreds of would-be Republican hopefuls.

I know you're a Republican, Smileyfaze, so I'd like to know who you favor. That goes for our favorite supercilious poster (you know who you are). Don't be shy boys.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-03, 21:16:59
This tongue-in-cheek tidbit appeared in the Opinion page of a liberal newspaper under the line 'What would each candidate like out of the rest of the debates?'

TRUMP:
There must be a portion of each debate where Donald Trump can tell the other candidates "You're fired" and send one or more of them home.
Donald Trump gets a special podium that is made of fake marble and says TRUMP on it in gold letters.
Only Donald Trump can talk.
Other candidates can talk if they want to say something about how Great and Huge Donald Trump is, but if their remarks start to seem mean-spirited or tongue-in-cheek their microphones must be shut off.

CARSON:
Dr. Carson must not be asked any questions, but he must be allowed to talk so that people can see how calm and reasonable he is in his demeanor. His microphone must be muted during those times and subtitles used to let the American people know what he is really saying, as distinct from the words that come out of his mouth, which can sometimes confuse people as to what he means.

FIORINA
No questions about HP.
At least one question asking "Of all the candidates, who here is a woman equipped to defeat the woman Hillary Clinton?"

RUBIO
"Current format of the debates is fine. CNBC did a good job." Also, Jeb Bush should be allowed to ask Rubio whatever questions he likes.

HUCKABEE
The format of the debate should be a Fox News show hosted by Mike Huckabee.
In his debate requests, Huckabee thought about including a portion called Make Awful Remarks About The Holocaust until he realized that Ben Carson might win.

CRUZ
Ted Cruz should be allowed one filibuster per debate. There should also be a Dramatic Speech From "The Crucible" portion of the debate because Ted Cruz could really go to town on that.

RAND PAUL
Rand Paul would like a rogue drone to be released into the debate arena at the beginning and start carrying away all the candidates who have not previously filibustered about it. He also demands snacks on the grounds that if you aren't ever going to point the camera at him or let him talk he doesn't want to just have to stand there without snacks.

GRAHAM
Lindsay Graham would like the debate to include Lindsay Graham.

BUSH
Jeb would like to be allowed not to participate in the debate and to go sit in a bunker made of money until this primary is over. Can he do that, please?

JINDAL
Bobby Jindal would like to know what's the matter with him.What's the matter with him, America? Is he so bad? Here is some more creepy video he took of his family. Does that help? No? Then what WILL help?

CHRISTIE
Chris Christie would like the debate format to be one debate where Chris Christie debates Hillary Clinton, followed by another debate where everyone else debates everyone else. Failing that, he would like the format of the debate to be a Bruce Springsteen concert.

SANTORUM
Rick Santorum is just happy to be here and wishes the dress code could be lowered to include sweater vests.

PATAKI
George Pataki would like the debate to include a 10-minute video explaining who he is and letting America know that he has been running for president!

GILMORE
Jim Gilmore has been running for president THIS WHOLE TIME, you guys! He would like the debate to reflect that.

KASICH
John Kasich requests that there be two separate debates: one for people who will run this country into the ground and who make his head hurt just to look at, and one for people who won't. He also requests that he be allowed to decide who is on each of those two lists. Drat, his head hurts already. Never mind, he would like to debate by himself.

MARTIN O'MALLEY
Can he come? He really enjoys being asked to participate in these things! They're his joy! He has a guitar, you guys!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-03, 21:33:34
I do wish that the nation had a wider political width and that the large numbers of people who get a feeling they are not being noted could get a better system. The decency and hopes of so many get only partly answered due to the well funded control of the big two. It may have been partly okay at one time but these days a wider thing is perhaps needed. Many will of course love their country but still be a bit put out with what passes for a political situation in these times?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-11-03, 23:26:39
That was funny Jimbro3738 but funnier would be to make us, the non Americans, to chose a candidate based on that.
My choice would be "CHRISTIE".
Because "he would like the format of the debate to be a Bruce Springsteen concert."

Who the hell is that one? and all the others?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-06, 13:02:11
Who are they? Why, they're the Republican clown show, and, at the moment, Carson is chief clown. Democrats are praying that Carson becomes the candidate because he's batshit crazy.

"Dear God, please make Dr. Carson the Republican presidential candidate and I promise to store my grain in a pyramid!"
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/)
Let me add an eighth stupid statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-pyramids-grain/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-pyramids-grain/index.html)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-11-06, 14:15:23

Who are they? Why, they're the Republican clown show, and, at the moment, Carson is chief clown. Democrats are praying that Carson becomes the candidate because he's batshit crazy.

"Dear God, please make Dr. Carson the Republican presidential candidate and I promise to store my grain in a pyramid!"
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/the_7_most_impressively_stupid_things_ben_carson_has_said_partner/)
Let me add an eighth stupid statement.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-pyramids-grain/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/05/politics/ben-carson-pyramids-grain/index.html)


This sort of thing just makes me shake my head in sadness. Where do they get these goofy ideas?

I'm a Christian, and a Creationist to boot.  Having to listen to the strange ideas spouted by people who claim to believe as I do is--something else.

Here's a clue: According to Genesis, Joseph was given the task of storing the excess grain from the 7 good years so that there would be food through the 7 bad years. They had barns, and likely as not grain silos of some sort. Barns and silos are NOT new inventions by any means. Further, it's far easier and quicker to build storage barns than it is to build pyramids. You can put up a barn in a matter of days, and it doesn't even take that much labor. Pyramids took decades of slave labor to erect, and they only had 7 good years-- remember?

Pyramids were the burial chambers of the ruling class. They never would have been used for storing grain.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-11-07, 00:00:19
Who are they? Why, they're the Republican clown show, and, at the moment, Carson is chief clown.

You should be a Republican, you are a conservative at everything... True Democrats needs to be pro homosexual and a lot of other pro-something that you aren't.
Including pro-European :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-07, 02:48:12
Jimbro a conservative? - will be interesting to see the response!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-11-07, 07:44:08
Indeed! I look forward to it... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-07, 11:11:32

Who are they? Why, they're the Republican clown show, and, at the moment, Carson is chief clown.

You should be a Republican, you are a conservative at everything... True Democrats needs to be pro homosexual and a lot of other pro-something that you aren't.
Including pro-European :)

Puzzlement. And you know these things, how!?! Febrile imagination, I suppose.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-11-07, 14:31:17
And you know these things, how!?!

I'm the voice inside your mind... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2015-11-07, 23:19:59
Now it's time to listen to all the wailing about Hillary. Frankly, I don't give a damn if she wins or not, but if she wins the walls won't come tumbling down. The same goes for the hundreds of would-be Republican hopefuls.


Some people forget to pick up a program on their way in. If I got to pick today how the second act would go it's a coin toss between Hilary and Trump. Those are shit shows I'd watch. But really when those two wear thin the Republicans are just hoping you looked across the stage and liked one of the other actors.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2015-11-08, 14:11:31

And you know these things, how!?!

I'm the voice inside your mind... :)


In case that's true, than Jim will have to visit an exorcist. :devil:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-11-08, 17:54:57
In case that's true, than Jim will have to visit an exorcist.  :devil:

That would be... interesting.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-08, 18:39:41

And you know these things, how!?!

I'm the voice inside your mind... :)

We are not surprised. (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fsmileyfaze.tk%2Fslides%2Fbeam.gif&hash=85e4dcb62b5d9978963b9bfd9d9a0275" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://smileyfaze.tk/slides/beam.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-08, 19:56:03
Quite frankly I think it is a rather sad matter that America does not have  general public health system like here. You could dash well afford it if you didn't spend ridiculous sums on military intrigues and waste so much.  When one considers the tens of millions who cannot even afford the so-called Obama Care it is something deeply flawed in your system. Some 40 million of your fellow citizens pluas the7 figures losing homes?  We do not have a single party that is against our public health tradition from one wing to another and we are a progressive  country like others. Instead all this military and spy exorbitant costs that are ridiculous you should be looking after everyone who is not cumfy like the would-be thinkers that sometimes waffle here. Even the lesser of two evils the democrats do not look after those legions on the land of "democracy, etc, etc" that are not doing well. Contradictory and sad in view of the claims of the starters of the country.

These "Conventions" that pass for what would be a party conference in other progressive places are a carnival joke and do little or nothing for the vast numbers of poor. Instead all the propaganda of so-called principles, political shouting like "yes we can" mean nothing when the shows cease.  it is very disappointing that a country with an essentially decent people has been subtly brained by propaganda experts and the millions of the population who deserve better are not getting it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-11, 21:27:37
For those of you who are interested in whom Hillary will beat.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-11-12, 05:59:55
Hillary will -if she wins her party's nomination- beat herself... But why, I ask you, Jaybro. do you care...?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-12, 10:39:42
Why do you care why I care?

Do you really think that Hillary will self-flagellate?

(https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fbloviatingzeppelin.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F06%2FJindals-Stupid-Party.jpg&hash=b04fccfd5492cbee7b67d078d844cb61" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://bloviatingzeppelin.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Jindals-Stupid-Party.jpg)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-13, 04:30:22
In a way i am sorry that you folk are going to be stuck with Clinton or Trump as there is a deep problem in th system. Two nights ago i just came in from a wlk and caught the end of a political programme on the forthcoming carnival, oops, Presidential thing and it showed America as somewhere around 110th (think it was) in the world for a poor voting response based on the mid-term elections. There is amongst people a general increasing feeling of does it make a difference who wins. The voting percentage on the Hill election was a goodly barometer.  My feeling is that the millions sometimes referred to as the suffering will not change much employment and wages stuttering and so on. The system is two condensed and controlled and i bet if Clinton wins or that Republican head-shaker those millions will still be there waiting.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-13, 15:30:51
We might not be stuck with Trump. It seems he's about to self-destruct. This about a recent presentation:

Quote
As Donald Trump took the stage in a community college theater on Thursday night, something was off.
The usually punctual executive was nearly 40 minutes late. His voice was hoarse, his hair mussed, his tone defensive. He promised to take questions from the audience but instead launched into a 95-minute-long rant that at times sounded like the monologue of a man grappling with why he is running for president -- and if it's really worth it or not. Even for a candidate full of surprises, the speech was surprising.

He scoffed at those who have accused him of not understanding foreign policy, saying he knows more about Islamic State terrorists "than the generals do." He took credit for predicting the threat of Osama bin Laden and being right on the "anchor baby situation," a position he says "these great geniuses from Harvard Law School" now back. He uttered the word "crap" at least three times, and promised to "bomb the s---" out of oil fields benefiting terrorists. He signed a book for a guy in the audience and then tossed it back at him with a flip: "Here you go, baby. I love you."

"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" asked Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump when speaking of rival Ben Carson's popularity in the GOP race.
Trump called Republican rival Carly Fiorina "Carly whatever-the-hell-her-name-is," accused Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton of playing the "woman's card" and said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is "weak like a baby."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/politics/trump-how-stupid-are-the-people-of-iowa/2015/11/13/f208b71ae9835f3c933d7111a281db03_story.html
  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/politics/trump-how-stupid-are-the-people-of-iowa/2015/11/13/f208b71ae9835f3c933d7111a281db03_story.html)

Elsewhere...
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...Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney -- despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-14, 01:57:22
Any time Trump is on television and speaking it is usually more getting snipes at people than policy. I am sue that the nation will not respond to the man as he might be wealthy but is an obvious head banger. How he does so well in Republican polls is beyond understanding.

I wonder what a President Jimbro would be like?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-11-14, 02:23:10
I wonder what a President Jimbro would be like?

Better than a President Trump would do. But with his meltdown, unless I'm overestimating GOP primary voters, he just cost himself the nomination. If he managed to get nominated he already cost himself the votes of Latinos and women and therefore the election.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-11-15, 03:56:58
Well that is a consolation for sensible and progressive people over there. The man acts like a clown and does try and avoid pressing issues. He (Trump) is a comedian but not in the accepted way as he insults that tradition.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Midnight Raccoon on 2015-11-16, 02:22:34
And before this, he was becoming better known as a reality show star than as a businessman. If you want to find the worst buffoons on the planet, put on one of those. I recommend having a bottle of your preferred headache medicine ready before you, though :left:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-12-10, 00:54:25
Ah, well, truth be told, there is no hope left. We are betrayed by both parties. I have lost all hope of any candidate inspiring a national revival, and I don't mean in the religious sense either.

Fact of the matter is, we'll be bankrupt within 10 years. The ship is already sinking. These military adventures will be forced to cease when they no longer have the money to back them.

My generation is screwed.

Que sera, sera.


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-12-10, 01:00:10
Hilary looks to be heir apparent to the Democratic nomination.

Trump says the most outrageous things, still front runner in the Republican race.

We're in an awful lot of trouble.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2015-12-10, 12:08:30
Odds are you might look back on the eight years of Obama with nostalgia.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-12-11, 01:51:24

Odds are you might look back on the eight years of Obama with nostalgia.


Obama has been a terrible president. He won twice because the Republicans managed to nominate two of the worst candidates possible.

We're in a long slide from the look of things.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-12-11, 03:59:02
Odds are you might look back on the eight years of Obama with nostalgia.
I see you've caught the oriental gambling bug... Always looking for a big -if unlikely- score! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-12-11, 22:38:03
Well done to you Colonel at last catching up with my summation of the political system carved up by the 2 monsters.The republican lot are in mess and have lost a great degree of any indepth status and the Democrats are just the leer evil. Indeed, i feel very sad for so many espeically the younger generation the way that the system has been carved up. And for Clinton, oh she will get in and it will make no damn difference to those who are suffering in the country or ant great leadership. Kind of really sad for a big country and so many decent people being treated like being easily manipulated by big money people. Although I am not of that corner locally, must say that Sanders did get an interesting response and especially younger people too.

Internally the nation is  actually in a bit of a state and internationally much the same. Just a pity there is not a wider way of doing things over there.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-12-16, 21:27:08
Obama has been a terrible president. He won twice because the Republicans managed to nominate two of the worst candidates possible.

True enough. Perhaps it's because Republicans only have "worst" candidates.

Trumped again!
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-12-18, 20:50:15
I am glad I live where I do because Donald Trump would get nowhere here but I will say this about him.

He is soeone to shake a head on yet at the same time he is not a complete fool as you don't succeed without some grey cells. What disturbs many over there is the actual political system and what goes on in their name. Trump is not a politician in the traditional sense and the actual fact that he is actually getting such a response is he plays as many ordinary people do do whether more serious minded people will frown at such. Obama was a long sigh of a a President and while Trump bounces into so many minds the alternative is not much better. Clinton is deep in the corporate pocket and millions of dollars. She can be sneaky has lied and all this guff about how capable and strong she is. Democrats are just the lesser of the traditional. two evils I say and to be brutally frank someone as progressively different as sanders would be an enlightening change and a more practical hep to tens of millions of ordinary Americans.

Sanders will unfortunately get nowhere the way the system is run and Clinton will get in and the fact she is a woman for the first time means damn all to the tens of millions who will remain on food stamps, losing homes, unable to pay for medical situations and so on. My heart goes out to all of those I mention and Clinton will continue to see the gap between the top and bottom continue as well. Those legions of ostracised will continue under her. That there are so many struggling it is all the more Sad that Sanders a welcome light will be shunted away.

What is really needed is a revolution of a different type but don't expecct it any time soon.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-01-09, 22:06:43
What turns very clear is that Trump thing is the best Republicans have...  :zzz:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-10, 08:34:33
Nah, Bel, Trump is the best circus the main-stream media can find... (But Bernie Sanders might take center-stage for a while: Like Howie says, he could help tens of millions -- while hurting hundreds of millions! That's usually the way socialism works... :) ) What this country really needs is a strong progressive Democrat like Hillary! That way, we can stand idly by while Europe wastes away, and follow apace.
Unless the Caliphate actually wins its "wars"... Then things will go downhill more quickly.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-10, 15:18:10
I am not of Sanders tradition but I still think they could do with someone like him over there as the money barons run the place not the people. Clinton will win and the tens of millions of poor the legions homeless with not see a damn difference. With all the money behind here the system will go as usual especially for the monied. The others? Nothing and a damnable shame.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-01-10, 19:24:15

he could help tens of millions -- while hurting hundreds of millions! That's usually the way socialism works... :)

Are you referring to Scandinavia, a fine example for  the way socialism works?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-11, 03:24:38
Ask me again in a couple of generations, after the "common" culture is not common anymore... And the real "population bomb" goes off. :(

(That's -of course- assuming Iran doesn't nuke you before then. :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-01-11, 10:16:53

Ask me again in a couple of generations, ...

OK.
In the meanwhile feel free to fill the forum with your pipe dreams. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-11, 12:05:09
O am not a Socialist but of the view that America could do with someone like Sanders because the country is only being run for particular controlling sections. The labels being stuck on that man are nonsense as f he was trying to have a Socialist revolution. For the run-of-the-mill working population the gap between the top and the bottom has rapidly went out of control. Obviously the top and bottom cannot ben the same but the top is now in super drive while everyone else is finding not much of a salary advancement. That allied to 40 million steadily poor on food stamps the army of folk losing homes and trillions spent on military nonsense the existing system in the USA is NOT working and will not as long as what is going on is tolerated.

For all the much vaunted democracy the clever propaganda of the danger of Sanders people is built into the system and stupid to put it bluntly. The country could broaden the economic base instead of wasting money trying to be global controllers and making the internal hypocrisy so damnable for large numbers of decent people. Other progressive countries can manage a more decent balance than America but the electoral barons on the Hill being the ultra rich are not much help in sorting the country. They value their comfort and richness too much. No-one ever thought they would see the collapse of the USSR with it's satellites and for a long time even the forerunner the Imperial mandate. With the level of debt and misuse of money as well as power the "revolution" in the States maybe a more direct and painful thing and that is one day there will be a financial collapse.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-11, 17:13:32
I contributed $50 to his campaign even though I know that he has no chance.

Is there anybody running that you think would make a good president?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ersi on 2016-01-11, 17:18:01

I contributed $50 to his campaign even though I know that he has no chance.

Is there anybody running that you think would make a good president?

Eager to contribute more money somewhere? That's too easy. A better way to contribute is to become a good president yourself :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-11, 17:53:39
I would be as corrupt as possible just to prove RJ's biases.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-01-11, 19:31:37

I contributed $50 to his campaign even though I know that he has no chance.

I can't tell much about your favorite candidate.
However it looks like those 50 bucks have just been thrown out through the window. Who knows, maybe a homless could have used them in a more meaningful way - at worst for a few bottles of alcohol/anesthesia ...
Whatever, all I want to say - don't put your expectations too high, whoever will win.
Vote all you want. The secret government won't change. (https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2014/10/18/vote-all-you-want-the-secret-government-won-change/jVSkXrENQlu8vNcBfMn9sL/story.html)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-11, 20:14:59
I knew Sanders didn't have a chance, but...Well, but...
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First, I've made charitable contributions before and will do so again.

I don't disagree with anything you've said and add that much is the same everywhere in politics. Tell me if that isn't the case where you live. Here Congress and the courts limit the power of the president, something I don't see as a bad thing. Finally, had the Republicans been in power for eight years, things that matter to me would have been worse. I don't regret having voted for Obama twice. I'll vote for Hillary even though I'm not thrilled with her.
Even Putin and Kim Jong-un don't have complete control. Merkel either. (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.telegraph.co.uk%2Fmultimedia%2Farchive%2F02215%2Fgermany_2215303b.jpg&hash=14f71de21bd852e94c8ec200810163a0" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02215/germany_2215303b.jpg)
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Wir schweigen nicht!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-01-11, 23:37:55
Merkel is an horrible woman. And a spy from the Comunist Germans.
With such ugly spies how could they win? but they did, or better saying, she did. Better than Hara Kiri.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-01-12, 01:12:18

I don't disagree with anything you've said and add that much is the same everywhere in politics. Tell me if that isn't the case where you live.

In some aspects it's worse...
You have to deal only with your own masters... We have also a mighty friend to deal with...
As for countries like Portugal - hmm what's in English the comparison for "worse"? ;)


Even Putin and Kim Jong-un don't have complete control. Merkel either.
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Wir schweigen nicht!

Merkel? Complete control?
She only plays the part written for her - for better or worse.
Wir schweigen nicht? LOL :D
Her strength always laid in keeping silent. Our American friends gave her the "Teflon Lady" nickname.
BTW, our former Chancellor Schröder had his own strength. He was able to speak for hours without telling anything.
Our transatlantic friends gave him a nickname too - "The Eel".

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-12, 06:47:31
Is there a way to structure society that doesn't piss off almost everyone...? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-12, 18:30:29
It is a pity that Sanders has no chance because neither Clinton nor a Republican will make any damn difference to the way the country is being run, influenced or misusing money on.  The mass numbers of people who suffer in the nation will not see any great difference of that woman I cannot stand gets in (she will). Big bucks spent will make no damn difference to the millions who are suffering in the country and their loyalty misused. Sad.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-13, 10:59:49
It would make a difference between Clinton and Trump, with the later being a fucking lunatic. Howie gets offended by Las Vegas dialectic, but unfortunately the only honest and not cow-towing to political correctness way to describe him is with the modifier. Perhaps one has to be in America to understand the full extent that the man is far more qualified to be a candidate for asylum admission than the presidency. He's also racist as hell retweeting obviously incorrect nonsense about blacks committing 83 percent of murders (in fact it's 17 percent) in addition to factually challenged statements about Hispanics. Trump as president would tear this country apart along racial and ethnic lines. Did anyone else see the support that he's been, perhaps  unintentionally, gathering among neo-nazi and Klan groups.

If he does win the GOP nomination, Trump needs to be crushed completely not only for the stake of maintaining the Democratic presidency; but also for attempting to salvage what's left of the Republican party's soul.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-14, 14:34:51
I just read the following from the January edition of New Scientist magazine:
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What makes us human?
IT WAS at least 7 million years ago that our ancestors diverged from those of our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees.

Trump failed to diverge.
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It's starting to look as though the Republicans are running a clown contest.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-14, 14:45:05
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Is it appropriate for one of the most respected newspaper columnists in America to describe a major presidential contender as "satanic" in his tone? For better or worse, that is the phrase David Brooks of the New York Times used to describe Republican Sen. Ted Cruz (Tex.) -- and the brash declaration from the typically unflappable author, an apostle of civility in politics, has kicked up an unholy ruckus Beezlebub might appreciate. So has his latest column on Cruz, "The Brutalism of Ted Cruz."

Brooks works largely for the Washington Post.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2016-01-14, 17:48:18
i think its normal each party demonize their opposite party .

its politics , where art of the possible is  the nature .
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-14, 18:28:21
I watched extracts from that Presidential speech stuff but not all of it becausde it is as boring as h. On top of that Obama is as big a liar as those before him and it is a pity that America will get stuck with that harridan, Clinton. And all that sily stuff about standing up every few minutes on comments being made instead of just staying seated and clapping. Is infantile. On a more pressing note, Obama waxing on about how well tyhey were doing. Eh? Trillions in debt and all the othe problems how can anyone intelligent accept that guff. As an outsider (and how thankful I am for that) it is unfortunate that the most constructive man, Sanders will not get anywhere due to big money, brain-washing media and so on. Obama was no better than GW Bush. I do feel sorry for decent ex-colonist because they deserve better for their country and loyalty. Obama in a nutshell was useless. The next President will be the same.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-14, 20:30:42
As an outsider (and how thankful I am for that)

As are we.
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Why you would give that stuff a minute of your valuable time leaves me (almost) speechless. I've never watched one of those things because there's nothing to learn. And standing and clapping! Hard to believe.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-01-14, 23:28:57
One thing the American political system is good at, to show to the world how the presidential system is a farse.

Despite being a Monarchist, I have no doubts that a semi presidential system is much much better than a presidential one.
Presidential systems are proper of non evoluted democratic systems. Typical of Republic of Bananas.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-15, 02:53:35
i think its normal each party demonize their opposite party .

While that's true, it's hard to imagine the Democrats saying much else than he's already shown about himself.
Obama in a nutshell was useless.

He got elected twice because the Republicans would have done worse. And like a possible future Trump running against Clinton, Romney did himself in. For one, claiming the nearly half the country don't take responsibility for themselves because they get back their Federal taxes alone probably tipped Upper South swing states into Obama's camp. Of course, their was his aide claiming they could "Etch-A-Sketch" primary Romney to win the national election. GOPers choose such bad candidates that a Democratic victory was inevitable.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-15, 20:48:59
GOPers choose such bad candidates that a Democratic victory was inevitable.

They're on their way to doing it again. Go Trump!

That said, he'd make a nice Vice-President for Hillary.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-16, 16:41:17
The Republicans would have been worse than Obama? Considering all the widening spying on people on the country the increased use of killing drones and much more there was not a lot of real difference between him and GW Bush. In fact in much even worse. The Cuban concentration campp was typical. Time after time in a whole series of public speeches the place was never closed and the country continued to hold prisoners for 14 years untried or able to actually do a trial due to lack of evidence. An utterly disgusting place for a so-called democracy and lecturer to everyone else on principles. Even those found to be innocent were still kept there so don't let us have some high principled guff re Obama. The militarism across the world is still there and hardly slowing never mind the cost and trillions in debt so it does not matter a damn which of the 2 controlling parties are in power.

Still think all that repeated standing up and clapping eevry minute and often less than a minute is daft.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-18, 14:42:58
I know that Sanders will be pushed into a corner by the big money that passes for a political system but the thing I have noted is the support he especially gets from so many younger people. They have at last had it sunk into them that their country loyalty the way things are run and the number of people suffering illustrates he has progressive points. Sanders is far from being a die in the wwoll Marxist but the usual trait in America on even whispering anything to so with Socialism is a brain invading propaganda. In addition, I would also say that he gets less of the media attention but that is to be expected as the money barons who really run the country are involved in that. Whoever the Republicans manage to crawl behind is a negative and frankly so too is that mouth, Clinton. Neither party will help the vast majority of the population or the money men who will help that woman win.

There are even digs at the age of Sanders yet his young support is not distracted from that nonsense.  He is talking common sense as well as being thoughtful of the tens of millions who are not in the nonsense "dream" corner and no chance of such. There would be less money dished out on imperialism, militarism and more effort made internally for people. The machine is virtually only allowing Clinton to be in the White House yet even some ordinary and not very monied Republicans can see something in Sanders. That he is chasing that waste of space Clinton in polls tells you that there is a very obvious dis-satisfaction with the political system. He is not on about storming the palace but that more Americans get a fairer deal than they are getting. America is no better under Obama and will be the same under mouth Clinton.

Political machinery is in need of an overhaul and he knows it as many do but the money barons will use the media and anything they can to keep control. The man is loyal to his country not the bank accounts.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: string on 2016-01-18, 21:20:08
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZBG0LFWkAASh25.jpg)

The next President?.

God save America..
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-18, 22:45:57
The way the media operates is not just a problem in America but here also. oTnight I watched the BBC News doing something very subtle and wrong. While reporting on Trump and that pointless petition here agaiot Trump being allowed in Britain the news man reminded of what the man had said. They showed a small extract from his speech about Muslims getting into America BUT they skipped the end where Trump said the refusal was to be until things were sorted out. To some that might not mean much but to others who do not know his full statement that is wrong as it is not a balanced report whether we agree with the comments or not.

It is much the same as the anti-Russian guff we get on news items and by politicians. It is subtle stuff but sometimes even fails that. We no longer just get news reporting but very concisely planned views which should not be  the case. That stupid petition here will go nowhere because the government will ignore it and rightly so. In addition I am not suddenly jumping on that man's bandwagon but the way things are not always reported properly and instead Goebells mindset stuff.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-19, 03:32:27
Peter Wehner, who work with the Reagan, HW Bush administrations and was an adviser and speechwriter to the GW Bush administration wrote in the NY Times  Why I will never for Donald Trump  (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/opinion/campaign-stops/why-i-will-never-vote-for-donald-trump.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fpeter-wehner&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection)

He begins by noting Trump's lack of experience in public office or any military experience and Trump's ignorance of basic facts of National Interest. So you can bring in people to teach you those things, right? Not if you're Trump....

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Mr. Trump has no desire to acquaint himself with most issues, let alone master them. He has admitted that he doesn't prepare for debates or study briefing books; he believes such things get in the way of a good performance. No major presidential candidate has ever been quite as disdainful of knowledge, as indifferent to facts, as untroubled by his benightedness.


Wehner notes notes disturbing things about Trump's personality.

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Even more disqualifying is Mr. Trump's temperament. He is erratic, inconsistent and unprincipled. He possesses a streak of crudity and cruelty that manifested itself in how he physically mocked a Times journalist with a disability, ridiculed Senator John McCain for being a P.O.W., made a reference to "blood" intended to degrade a female journalist and compared one of his opponents to a child molester.


That "blood" comment was when Trump said Fox News host Megyn Kelly "..She gets out. Starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions you. You can see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever, but she was, in my opinion, she was -- off base" When she asked him in about women's issues. What is wrong with him?

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Mr. Trump's virulent combination of ignorance, emotional instability, demagogy, solipsism and vindictiveness would do more than result in a failed presidency; it could very well lead to national catastrophe. The prospect of Donald Trump as commander in chief should send a chill down the spine of every American.
I think it has the potential to have global catastrophe. Right now, Trump and Putin are pals. What will happen when inevitably Donald and Vladimir have a disagreement. It's not that I think even Trump would be ignorant and emotionally unstable enough to directly attack Russia, but what if Putin finds himself in a position that he must defend an ally?

Wehner goes on to note that a Trump victory would result in the GOP being an angry, bigoted populist party and no longer a conservative one.

But it gets worse.

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I will go further: Mr. Trump is precisely the kind of man our system of government was designed to avoid, the type of leader our founders feared -- a demagogic figure who does not view himself as part of our constitutional system but rather as an alternative to it.


But Wehner's salient concerns would fall on deaf ears among Trump supporters. Sure, they're frustrated with "the establishment" , but that doesn't mean to put the worst lunatic in charge of the asylum.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-19, 05:21:01
Politics bore. Such attention to nothing. One man shows what a mockery the crap you all dawdle over is and everyone is afraid he'll get elected.

A billionaire appealing to middle America and a marketer getting unlimited coverage... May be genius actually. (lol)

He's still just a real estate mogul playing the numbers. Says all the dumb things avg. Joe White Sr. wants to but knows ain't reality. :spooky:

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I will go further: Mr. Trump is precisely the kind of man our system of government was designed to avoid, the type of leader our founders feared -- a demagogic figure who does not view himself as part of our constitutional system but rather as an alternative to it.


What? Where? When?

No it wasn't. The system was designed to stop the stooopid things he says from happening in the event he is elected. Voters are idiots... that actually is built into the system.


My fav :heart:
Wehner goes on to note that a Trump victory would result in the GOP being an angry, bigoted populist party and no longer a conservative one.

"Populist party" got tossed in there with some other negative descriptive words. I don't see how that relates...
Anyway that quote should be fresh when I say, he'll be the most inept President since 'we' voted a black man into office.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-19, 08:25:30
everyone is afraid he'll get elected.

Nah, I have little doubt that either Clinton or Sanders can defeat him in the general election. The electoral college is stacked against him, with only Texas and George going for him. Florida has too many Hispanics not go Blue this time with him as the GOP contender, given his fence comments and threats of deportation (yes, that upset even the legal immigrants. Those are ones that I personally know..) Besides the deep South that leaves with Tennessee, Arkansas, Kentucky and the thinly populated mid-western states. This adds up to an electoral college landslide against him. Him getting the nomination is the Democrat's dream come true.  Then again, the GOP has developed this habit nominating people that appeal to their base, but are repugnant to everyone else as it is.
The system was designed to stop the stooopid things he says from happening in the event he is elected.

Perhaps, but you're counting on the system. The President wants an idiotic thing done and congress shoots it down and/or the SCOTUS finds it unconstitutional (but take a lesson from the Obamacare, there isn't a whole lot the Federal Government can't do with some justification in the Constitution.) Trump is a narcissistic megalomaniac. That being the case, GOPers complain Obama's executive orders - wait until they see a hypothetical President Trump's.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-19, 09:49:23
It'll be interesting to see if Trump's approach changes after getting the nomination. If not he is truly the idiot we all think he is.

Hopeless optimism pulled out of my arse:

It could be good for congress if he is elected. They would have to actually do something and with some togetherness. There's plenty they can do to render executive orders inept.

If he doesn't get the nomination but fractures the GOP this could make Smileyfaze happy. People could say Tea Party without laughing... Nah I'm going too far. Still hilarious none of the "elite" members ever cracked a history book to see how that might go. But jokes aside any relevant step away from a two party system can be good. ([Crescendo] Voting reform, sensible districts, campaign fund caps... NO MORE LOBBYIST! (sry, I almost got excited. I was just having the strangest dream about functional government I think. Hillary wasn't in it tho.))

there isn't a whole lot the Federal Government can't do with some justification in the Constitution.

[optimism dies]
Checks and balances.

Patriot Act and Presidential bj's. Seriously it's just a piece of paper with words on it. As long as you're distracted by the "issues" presented to you - those words are meaningless.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-19, 11:33:07
I was just having the strangest dream about functional government I think.

Yeah, you must have been dreaming because we both know that's gonna happen.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-20, 02:51:45
Kind of odd criticism that Trump had no military experiences after alone he is not alone re White House residents. And in any case it is big money that runs the country not the would-be political macinery and just look what the lesser of two evils, Clinton has to spend. Head shaking stuff and Sanders is far more honest and sensible than either her or the Republican possibility.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-20, 04:49:00
Kind of odd criticism that Trump had no military experiences after alone he is not alone re White House residents


It's just another item missing from his cv to be president, so don't make more out of that criticism than it is. Running a business is not the same as being POTUS. In fact, he might not have been as successful of a businessman than people think with his businesses going bankrupt and him having declared personal bankruptcy four times. The National Journal has a piece about The 1 Easy Way Donald Trump Could Have Been Even Richer: Doing Nothing  (http://www.nationaljournal.com/twentysixteen/2015/09/02/1-easy-way-donald-trump-could-have-been-even-richer-doing-nothing).

Republicans like to deride Obama as a "community organizer", but as a senator he was actually more qualified than Trump and didn't have a string of financial failures behind him like Trump. This leads to a largely unaddressed issue about Trump. What would a Trump budget deficit look like? He says so many offensive things that few seem to consider that. I took a look at his  tax plan  (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform), which he claims is revenue neutral.

How many times does cutting taxes to increase revenue need to fail before the GOPers learn? A quick overview explains way. A) The spending cuts to pay for the tax cuts never materialize. B) Within the Laffer Curve, which demonstrates that high taxes can actually decrease revenue, there is s point in which a lower tax rate neither stimulates the economy nor increases revenue. America's tax rate is below the sweet spot that the economy gets a stimulus and revenue is increased. Witness the Great Recession; both Presidents Bush and Obama offered tax cuts and tax credits that failed to improve the America's economic performance.  That's not a political statement, but an easily verifiable statement of fact. C)Trump's plan shows a decrease in deductions for middle-class and above tax rates. Raise your hand if you think that will fly politically so that you may be given a dunce cap and assigned the dunce corner. Apologies for going  pedantic on economic, but frankly American voters tend to economically illiterate. Then there's the insanity of impose tariffs of upto 35% on certain imported goods, such as car assembled in Mexico. While I agree that more manufacturing jobs need to be brought back to the US a plan would only suppress the demand side of supply and demand and damage the economy further. 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-20, 10:41:12
Sanders is far more honest and sensible than either

That's what you're supposed to think.

Imagine a drama on your telly. Now imagine you just realized what it is.

yw.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-20, 20:25:41
The telly or the drama, ty?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-20, 20:48:58
My post 3am comments are always fun for me explain later...

I suppose either would work. I meant "realized what a drama is". But extending it to the importance people place on what the picture box shows them from the importance people place on emotional judgments wouldn't be difficult.

You're quite welcome, sir. ;)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-20, 21:05:38
I may vote for none-of-the-above.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-21, 00:37:08
Might as well stay at home as you are right about making an effort for what?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-21, 02:39:47

I may vote for none-of-the-above.
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Don't be like that. Hillary isn't a shoo-in and neither is Trump. If you look to the last several election cycles, the early front runners didn't win....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-21, 03:19:54
So true. This could go the other way very easily.
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Anti-Hillary vs Anti-Trump
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-21, 09:45:16
No constitutionalists here, I take it? :) I'll vote for Cruz in the primary -- and, hopefully, in the general -- election.
Hey! Even "The Donald" has said that nobody likes him! (Does Trump think that he's running for Miss Congeniality? :) ) Isn't that reason enough -in our current political climate- to vote for him?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-22, 02:08:16
No constitutionalists here, I take it?

If anyone here thinks they are, they aren't. As long as you want to argue political sides of issues you exist outside constitutionalism. Party politics, smh. Fox News hasn't prepared you to be constitutional at all. If you wanna pull source to support an opinion, fine. Be fooled. If you wanna act by principles laid out and take steps to use the avenues available to promote change in your government... Then let's talk.   
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-22, 04:55:49
Fox News hasn't prepared you to be constitutional at all.
Why in the world would anyone think a TV network could offer such preparation? I'm not Howie... :)
If anyone here thinks they are, they aren't.
What kind of logic do you call that? "Cynic's Dilemma"? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-22, 07:58:45

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If anyone here thinks they are, they aren't.
What kind of logic do you call that? "Cynic's Dilemma"? :)

Could be many things so just pick the one that makes you more comfortable. Don't mind me I just got here.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-22, 08:49:45
I suspect RJ gets most of his "news" from RT... How about you :)
Don't mind me I just got here.
In other words, you don't actually say anything; I got that, early on.

Shall we meet, again, on the Global Warming thread...? :) (I've noticed that most of the people with strident positions don't understand the science. And most internet posters who claim to understand the science really don't...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-22, 09:28:02
I suspect RJ gets most of his "news" from RT... How about you

If you can't tell then clearly that's not a variable that matters. Something to consider.
I'm a conservative -of sorts- and a Madisonian

You only operate on a particular level.
In other words, you don't actually say anything; I got that, early on.

My posts are transparent to you for that reason...
Shall we meet, again, on the Global Warming thread...?  :)  (I've noticed that most of the people with strident positions don't understand the science. And most internet posters who claim to understand the science really don't...)

Did that make you feel smart? Trying to position yourself as someone who "gets it" is a powerful debating technique, sure. But I won't be engaging the thread much. In my quest to say nothing I don't interfere with such drivel. However just for you...

The science is not in. It's barely started. What it needs is reliable standards for collection and logging the data, not dismissed. The models are only as good as the data we provide but they have shown plenty to justify current concerns about climate. Doesn't matter if it's tomorrow or 1000 years away- get the data. Besides, that and economic stability go a long with reducing our dependency on fossil fuels. [Thread closed] Have fun in there "getting it".
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-01-22, 21:41:26

No constitutionalists here, I take it? :) I'll vote for Cruz in the primary -- and, hopefully, in the general -- election.
Hey! Even "The Donald" has said that nobody likes him! (Does Trump think that he's running for Miss Congeniality? :) ) Isn't that reason enough -in our current political climate- to vote for him?

I might vote for him just to see how he's going to build a fence on the Mexican border and make Mexico pay for it.
To quote one source: "The actual cost for the rest of the border wall (roughly 1,300 miles) could be as high as $16 million per mile, with a total price tag of $15 billion to $25 billion" from a budget of $342 billion. Go Donald go!

God will not let this happen.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-22, 23:22:47
Considering you live in a country Oakdale where the media is very cleverly manipulated by the money barons that is very passingly amusing. As if Trump, Clinton, Cruz and palin weren't bad enough the matter of that border fence is another laugh. The place is trillions in debt and  the Republicans want to have that item at that cost? Small wonder the more intelligent here like the retired education man have to shake their heads.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-23, 00:56:18
He said they owed the US billions and he would make them pay for the wall with that. I can't substantiate his claim but what do I know.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-23, 02:08:57
God will not let this happen.

Or the ranchers that own the land, or the terrain it will have to cover...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-24, 03:02:02
One media commentator on television thought that Trump is doing so well because he is not a politician and many people are getting fed up with the political negative tradition. Sanders would be in practical terms a better direction but those who are fed up and going for Trump are well in basic terms not that bright.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-26, 03:30:09
but those who are fed up and going for Trump are well in basic terms not that bright.

They're having a visceral response to real and imagined situations, so no intelligence is required.

I did read one commentator that noted that Trump is used to being able to cut deals, even with business rivals. That means he might actually able to work with senators and representatives from across the aisle. Even so, his megalomaniacal, racist, sexist persona he built during the course of his campaign is reason enough not cast the ballot for someone else.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-01-26, 06:30:59
I can hardly see the international comunity taking Trump seriously...remembers me "porque no te callas?".

But that's propably the strategy, creating a false sense of "everybody being hostile" towards the USA, that's the kind of thing that creates ridiculous dictators, Trump's style.
Americans deserves better from the Republicans, I'm disapointed.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-01-26, 09:43:16
Most Interesting point. Speaking of dictators, there's commentary that he's crossed the line into fascism. What kept former President Bush below that line was the Fascist cult of personality and the authoritarianism displayed by Trump. (Possibly) a literal fascist versus Hillary might not be good choices, but never vote for the American would-be Mussolini.  Yes, I did mention the theory about being able work across the aisle; but getting the trains to run on time is far from the only thing.

There are rays of hope, though. It's early in the election, so Comet Trump could still burn out. If it doesn't in the GOP primary, it still will in the general election; especially as it crosses non-rightwing nut states (not even neccasarily the Democratic ones. Note what I said about Trump and the electoral college)
Americans deserves better from the Republicans, I'm disapointed.

We deserve better than a corrupt two party system that's rigged against a third party offering a serious contender to the presidency. I spoke before about a Republican Party implosion, owing antiquated views increasingly out of step with mainstream America. Perhaps a demolition crew needs to be sent to the Democratic Party as well.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-01-26, 11:22:32
Intelligence is not an attribute of a political party, a nation, a race or a continent.
However, teaching and indoctrination can and does influence everybody's mind.

I couldn't care less about who will become President of the USA.
Nevertheless I took the time to watch a few interviews with the Donald.
No matter if one agrees or not with what he is telling, at least he is the less mendacious among GOP candidates or compared to Billary.
Often he simply tells what he thinks. This way you can't win elections, so don't bother about him.
Is he a sexist? Maybe. I don't even want to know how Bill Clinton would compare to him in private life...
Is he a racist? Maybe. It doesn't need a racist to wage wars in breach with international law. Not even a Nobel prize for peace can stop some...

Whatever, God bless the new President of the US, whoever she/he will be. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-27, 01:42:27
Clinton is no outstanding creature or principled Joan of Arc. Has had dodgy stuff been a liar and a disappointing figure altogether. That Sanders does so well amongst the young wherever he goes says something and I am afraid the Trump legions do the same. The country is in a stake of flux and there is an undercurrent of dissatisfaction about politics the way it is and how the actual system is run. Both Trump and Clinton have the big bucks element behind them which hardly is very encouraging for progress and Sanders is a pleasant change from the dross.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-01-27, 23:39:02
Tom DeLay, a former Senator from Texas, has said today on his FB page that he expects Hillary will be indicted by the FBI within 2 months.

So it is then; Bernie "Feel the Bern" Sanders v Donald Trump/The Lipless Canadian Senator from Texas, Ted Cruz.


:yuck:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-28, 02:08:19
Well now, I would be happy as larry if that Clinton hussie was indicted and at least there would be one decent candidate that America could be really looking at and that he ha s young support is a brilliant change over there. I would even tempted to send a donation like another contributor here did to Sanders!  :up:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-01-29, 14:58:03
So the lipless Canadian (Ted Cruz) was center-stage in last night's debate, and what a spineless little charlatan he is. The man was so weak as water, that he actually verbally attacked a moderator because he felt ganged up on.

Lincoln and Coolidge and company must be rolling over in their respective graves at this point.

You have an entitled, jackass billionaire who claims he'll stand up to China, Daesh, etc, yet won't appear at a debate because he felt a woman moderator is too mean. (FFS)

Then you have a foreigner who has said everything, was for it before he was against it before he was for it again, who also felt the trio of moderators were being too mean.

That's not even mentioning the arch-hypocrite Rubio, who wants to bloviate on endlessly about Jesus Christ, who then follows that up immediately with "We should carpet-bomb the hell out of Iraq and Syria."   :faint: :faint: :faint:

I thought Rand Paul did well, but of course, because he doesn't believe in bankrupting the country by way of giving the military everything but the kitchen sink, he'll never win the nomination.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-29, 15:15:43
by way of giving the military everything but the kitchen sink

Why I never! Our troops are over there defending your freedom and you won't even give them a kitchen sink? Left-wing hippie! (Lulz)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: string on 2016-01-29, 17:08:11
I must confess, as a non American, I'm at a loss about what to think about the competition to be the Republican Candidate. The only one to have caught my eye is Mr Trump because he seems a belly laugh a minute; the rest seem, well, ordinary.

As far as I understand it, if Trump wins the public vote, the delegates have the mandate to overrule that and vote for someone they like who would not do the damage that Trump would. If it came to that who would win the delegates vote? I.e. Not the public vote.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-29, 19:35:46
Well the party will push forward whoever has the best chance of getting votes. But Trump will just go independent and split the Republican vote, and possibly even gain support from such a situation, thus costing the GOP the election.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-29, 23:54:13
Unfortunately for an advanced country the election shows how weak and pathetic the system is these days. For far too many Americans being standardised at restricted incomes compared to the top lot it is sadly farcical.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-30, 02:14:33
In other words, Howie, your "principle" is ienvy: You judge how well you're doing by a comparison to others -- if someone else has more, you "feel" you have less.
You're ripe for conversion to full-blown socialism! :) Good luck with that.

Perhaps you should re-read George Orwell's Animal Farm...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-01-30, 04:08:46
Meh. What happens to Congress is what interests me. This one is easy to call.

The GOP is obviously in trouble. But it's not the first time one of the main two have had to reform under a new cause. It'd be nice to see one of the other parties (Libertarians for example) use this time to assert themselves. Offshoot parties like the Tea Party have always died out, with various results depending of the issues that created them.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-01-31, 03:17:52
Envious of what Oakdale??

Spending half the globe's military expenditure - 40 million poor on stamps - salaries not progressing - taxes weighted for the rich - a million a year losing homes - running a torture camp in Cuba where you should not be at all - 2.3 million ic prisons - executions by gas, electricity, pills, firing squad - increasing militarising of police - shooting mad - scores of mass killings - lack of wide democracy due to money control of the big 2 and that is just a start! Democracy?

Now I know you are trying dear man to be funny but you have HAD to do that because the hard fact cannot be explained so thanks for the opportunity to remind of this. And the latest news is that the New York Times has come out for that damn woman, Clinton by there again that media is part of the inhouse mob who really control things. It is not the people and it SHOULD be!

The stats I mention here will still be there under Clinton when finished two terms and it is not surprising that in depth and sensible Americans can see the worth of the outside, Sanders. What is a pleasant and brilliant thing is the numbers of the younger age who flock to hear him. Now he would be a great leap forward in democracy and for the worth of the millions of the decent who want to be able to stand for America and be principled not brained by the media and their money barons. Well done to Sanders.  :up:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-02, 07:13:06
Interesting. Trump came in second in Iowa, but Rubio came relatively close to beating the narcissistic blowhard who appears to have a dead animal on his head (just bury the poor thing, will ya :( ) Maybe this provides evidence for a theory that I read that says people may claim to be Trump supporters to pollsters, but the reality of what his is starts to sink in at ballot time.

I still subscribe to the theory that he's a literal fascist, complete with the racism, xenophobia, cult of personality and authoritarianism. 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-04, 06:46:47
Well in general world authoritarianism is part of the country in the world.

Although I feel from a safe distance that Sanders is the better of all of them on both sides in a general assessment it does not give a very good overall political picture for the country's system. The Republicans are in a poor state of flux and the Democrats will have that yakking bore Clinton in the White House. Will she make any difference to the economy, poor, vast unemployed, stifling of wages and so on? No she will not as she is in the pockets of the money barons and the vast amounts allowed to be spent do not come down from heaven do they??
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-05, 13:05:38
No she will not as she is in the pockets of the money barons and the vast amounts allowed to be spent do not come down from heaven do they??

That's why I support Trump. He doesn't have to appeal to the money barons.

Committed Republicans will always support the Republican candidate.
Committed Democrats will always support the Democrat candidate.
What about the 43% of voters who say they're independent? They're bullshitting themselves.
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Reporting an Independent political identity does not guarantee the absence of partisanship. Independents demonstrated considerable variability in relative identification with Republicans versus Democrats as measured by an Implicit Association Test...To test whether this variation predicted political judgment, participants read a newspaper article describing two competing welfare or special education policies. The authors manipulated which policy was proposed by which party...Regardless of the policy details, these implicit partisans preferred the policy proposed by "their" party, and this effect occurred more strongly for implicit than explicit plan preference. The authors suggest that implicitly partisan Independents may consciously override some partisan influence when making explicit political judgments, and Independents may identify as such to appear objective even when they are not.

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Q: What about the Scots who like the U.S.?
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-05, 20:35:18
3 months ago, I placed a $100 bet with a former Political Science professor of mine that Rubio would wind up being the Repub nominee (with me saying Rubio would be it, and him saying Cruz would be it).

He's been gloating for the past week about that damned lipless Canadian's Iowa Caucus win, but I will wind up being proven right, no question about that.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-05, 22:49:54
...the media is still pushing the meme that a conservative shouldn't be nominated, because a conservative can't be elected. And yet they're reticent, when it comes to handicapping a "social democrat"! Hm.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-06, 01:34:23
Of course not. It's all but impossible to be a political conservative in America if you've set foot outside long enough to see what really happening in the world. I think Oxford should redefine Republican to "Someone who lives inside a bubble." :)
That's why I support Trump. He doesn't have to appeal to the money barons.

I've never understood this argument in favor of Trump. He doesn't need to play to money interests because he IS money interests. Well, his supporters claim he can't be bought. but Ebenezer's Donald's history shows that can be accomplished easily.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-06, 07:16:58
It's all but impossible to be a political conservative in America if you've set foot outside long enough to see what really happening in the world. I think Oxford should redefine Republican to "Someone who lives inside a bubble."
I'm pretty sure (specially on evidence... :) ) that you meant to say: "Someone who doesn't live inside the bubble"...

"It's all but impossible to be a political conservative in America if you've set foot outside long enough to see what really happening in the world [...]". Sang, you can't possibly be so stupid!

Go ahead and vote for Trump! (I don't think you'll get the chance...) Or Billary...

Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. You just want what you want. Anything that doesn't give you that is "bad"...

BTW: How do you feel about the constitution of the United States? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-06, 13:43:31
A Canadian conservative is an American liberal.

Go ahead and vote for Trump! (I don't think you'll get the chance...) Or Billary...

Cruz, Oak?
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Cheech or chong?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-06, 14:49:50
Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. You just want what you want. Anything that doesn't give you that is "bad"...

Rational government is what I'm looking for. That doesn't come from Republicans. Notice something funny? Under Republican administrations, the deficit tends to increase (hell, Bush managed to take a surplus and a growing economy into a deficit and the worst economy since the Great Depression. Yes, it was Bush in part from re-legalizing financial instruments that were made illegal because of their large part in causing the former...) Now look at your ineffectual Republican congress, who currently have their heads so far up their asses they'll need surgery to remove it. Nope GOPers haven't been the most rational people of late and its far from congress's performance alone. They seem more obsessed with Planned Parenthood, LGBT, and the non-existent immigration crises (it peaked in 2007 and currently declining, xenophobic/racist idiots)  than doing anything productive, with appeals to their irrational base.

And why the hell would I vote that lunatic Trump?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-07, 02:20:59
Cruz, Oak?
Yes, Jaybro: I hope Ted Cruz will win the GOP nomination, and the general election.

Like Sanders, he is not a "stealth" candidate... What he says is what he means. What does he say that you object to?
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@Sang: (Insert your usual balderdash... That's what you'll respond to, anyway. Why waste my time? :) )
BTW: Nevada's primary elections are looming -- your picks are...?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-07, 02:35:45
@Sang: (Insert your usual balderdash... That's what you'll respond to, anyway. Why waste my time?

Because you say stupid shit like "Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. " Maybe you really think that, having tried to make up my positions on issues for years and are now confusing your hallucinations with what I actually said.

But on the issue of rational governance, you really haven't noticed the disconnect the GOP and reality? Your man Cruz, for instance, doesn't realize carpet bombing will lead to more ISIS, not less. Yes, folks, he said "We will utterly destroy ISIS. We will carpet-bomb them into oblivion. I don't know if sand can glow in the dark, but we're going to find out!" The only type of bomb that could make the sand glow is nuclear. Maybe he didn't mean to say he'll take the "war on terror" nuclear, but that's the implication. Don't get me wrong. I don't think he's insane enough to do that (maybe Trump is, though), but these continuous irrational statements cast doubt on if a Republican is capable of rational governance. After all, do rational people say one irrational thing after another. Some media outlets, including the liberal Huffington Post, have defended Cruz on this issue by saying perhaps he doesn't even know what carpet bombing is.


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-07, 05:07:13
Because you say stupid shit like "Rational government has never been something that you wanted, or would approve of. " Maybe you really think that, having tried to make up my positions on issues for years and are now confusing your hallucinations with what I actually said.
What you've actually said, over the years, is what I respond to: Obamacare is good, because the only alternative is a single-payer system... Climate change is a dire problem that 97% of "climate scientists" agree on... The Citizens United case was wrongly decided... Al Gore won the presidency in 2000 (but Richard Nixon didn't, 1960!)... Roe v. Wade was correctly decided...  The 14th Amendment to the constitution is carte blanche to re-write the rest of the document, by judicial fiat...

Your positions are straightforward: You want what you want! Mine remain grounded upon a desire for limited government and fidelity to the constitution.

BTW: Carpet-bombing is a term from the '40s thru the '70s. Sand turned to glass by conventional munitions would, indeed, likely glow... :)
Brains turned to mush by so-called institutions of "higher education" likewise would glow, reddish... :)

What about Cruz's stated positions bothers you? What about those of Sanders and Clinton don't? :)

Relax! You'll get your vote; and you can do your part to support the candidate of your choice, no? (I think it's amazingly funny that Clinton has accused Sanders of "slimming" her!) But perhaps I'm wrong: Won't you vote for whatever candidate the Democrat Party puts forward?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-07, 16:53:47
Brains turned to mush by so-called institutions of "higher education" likewise would glow, reddish

:jester: Like Ted Cruz's, who graduated from Princeton University in 1992, and then from Harvard Law School in 1995? :jester:

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-07, 17:59:17
The 14th Amendment to the constitution is carte blanche to re-write the rest of the document, by judicial fiat...

I have never said that. What I did say is that provides equal protection under the law for all citizens, which it blatantly does. Courts all over the political spectrum agree with that interpretation.  Mine is an educated, informed interpretation. Meanwhile continue pretending you know better than the best legal minds in the country. Delusions of superiority are what you excel at. :yes:
What about Cruz's stated positions bothers you?

For one, I disagree with his solution to ISIS, out of respect for human life. I don't believe in carpet bombing whole cities to go after a terrorist group. That position alone says he should not be president, on the grounds that he'll draw us into another long, pointless war, if not ignite WWIII
Won't you vote for whatever candidate the Democrat Party puts forward?

Maybe that can stop when Republicans put forward somebody that's at least sane. For instance, I could give our governor Sandoval his due consideration. But the current crop of them appeals to fear and ignorance and has become the very opposite of the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt. Do you understand yet? No? Let me put in even simpler terms for. It's not pro-Democratic as much as listening to Republicans and having to say "Are you kidding? You must be drunk!"
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-08, 07:35:26
:jester:  Like Ted Cruz's, who graduated from Princeton University in 1992, and then from Harvard Law School in 1995?  :jester:
Yup! William F. Buckley came out of Yale, as well... :)

For one, I disagree with his solution to ISIS, out of respect for human life. I don't believe in carpet bombing whole cities to go after a terrorist group. That position alone says he should not be president, on the grounds that he'll draw us into another long, pointless war, if not ignite WWIII
Of course, you recognize rhetoric... The fact is, Obama's "deal" with Iran is more likely to ignite WWIII.

But, I take it, that's it? His small government ambitions, tax reform and consistent fidelity to the Constitution -- you're okay with? :)

You always seem to look for the sound-byte, the "for that alone" type of argument, Sang... It's your nature, and your education encourages it! :)

If you're seriously worried about a Cruz presidency -because of his rhetoric against ISIS- keep in mind that he would likely require (and respect) Congress' prerogative, to declare war.
Your years of living under the Obama administration have dulled your senses: We don't elect kings, though we've elected presidents who act as though we did.
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Of course, I understand that -in your world- all Republicans are lying bastards! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-08, 12:56:53
The fact is, Obama's "deal" with Iran is more likely to ignite WWIII.

I thought you stopped smoking that stuff.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-08, 19:14:24
Clinton is a damnable hypocrite and comes out with guff when challenged by Saunders on her being part of the money barons. Just look at what she gets from that quarter and then more recently what was it - around $675,000 dollars for 3 talks to the money lot? When challenged on television on that one she was shown to be on the back foot saying that was what always dished out. Talk about being two-faced?

The Republican contenders are all a joke and as bad as each other and Saunders is the only principled one on the Democratic corner. What a damnable lesson in the lack of proper democracy. For the millions of midle class people the lack of movement on incomes what the soaking rich pay in tax and the struggle of the working class the Republicans have no-one of any competence. The only half decent one for the Democrats is Saunders as Clinton is just another establishment yak mouth and an utter two-face and waste of time.  One cannot help but feel for so many over there who are frustrated by what passes for a system ore even a decent democracy and in the future it is interesting that Saunders attracts so many of the youthful citizenry. The republicans will not win the election and we assume that Clinton will and you can take that as just a continuation of the political mess the nation is in. If Saunders does well in polls it is a glimmer for the future but for now after the Presidential farce things will just be the same under that two-faced woman.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-09, 07:00:33
The Republican contenders are all a joke

It's a joke when they consider themselves "constitutional conservatives" when the only part of it they seem to know is the second amendment
If Saunders does well in polls it is a glimmer for the future but for now after the Presidential farce things will just be the same under that two-faced woman.

Sanders, Howie. He does seem to have a chance, but we'll see. You're right that in him there's a glimmer of hope for the future. That's not necessarily because his positions, but he's showing that somebody with integrity can do well. Maybe we'll see somebody with integrity on the GOP side. They claim to be "anti-establishment" but are just in bed with Wall Street, who in practical terms are more the establishment than the Washington insiders. But those clowns claim to not be part of the Republican National Committee establishment. If that's true or not, they're still representing the corrupt establishment in the truer, broader sense of the term. 
You always seem to look for the sound-byte, the "for that alone" type of argument, Sang

Not at all. But his foreign policy is truly frightening. Meanwhile, I see your fondness for going after strawmen has blossomed in a torrid love affair.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-10, 03:04:37
Looks as though Bernie and The Donald have won New Hampshire.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-10, 03:26:25
 Meanwhile, GOP voters there continue to show their ignorance of the Constitution. Meet the Press tells us:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cazx37-XEAAOpJW.jpg:large)

Fear, ignorance and constitutional illiteracy continue to the rule the GOP.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-10, 04:07:48
Interesting point of fact. No Muslim terrorist group has ever managed to poison an entire American city, but Republicans have.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-10, 05:49:20
Meanwhile, GOP voters there continue to show their ignorance of the Constitution.
No, Sang: You continue to show your ignorance of the Constitution... Congress or the executive branch have the power to limit immigration however they choose. It needn't be "fair" -- and the rights of U.S. citizens are not granted, by the Constitution, to foreign nationals.
Surely, you know that? :) No? :) Well, I'm not surprised: Much of what you think you know just isn't so! :)

Immigration policy is just that: Policy. (And, yes, policy usually has goals relevant to current and projected circumstances...) "Fairness" is not a policy, in this case; it's a canard.

Should everyone wish to be an American? Hm. I can think of a great many who wouldn't; and almost as many whom we should preclude...
How about you? (I mean, what do you think? :) You were born here, I presume; and of citizen-parents. No matter how much I disagree with you, you're a fellow American -- as entitled to express his opinion as I am.
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No Muslim terrorist group has ever managed to poison an entire American city, but Republicans Democrats have.
Fixed that for ya! :) Aren't ya glad you don't have to drink the water in Flint, MI? :(
(What were you referring to, BTW? Don't be shy! Do tell...)
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I've chosen a source you will likely accept:
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[I've clipped the egregious Democrat talking-points that pander to their "true believers"...]
CNN noted that (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/) "Flint residents say they were kept in the dark for 18 months until a local doctor, Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha a physician in a local medical center pediatric ward (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/) took things into her own hands. "When (my research team and I) saw that it was getting into children and when we knew the consequences, that's when I think we began not to sleep...at first, the state publicly denounced her work, saying she was causing near hysteria. They spent a week attacking her before reversing their narrative and admitting she was right." Ironically, adding that agent would have cost about $100 a day, and experts say 90 percent of the problems with Flint's water would have been avoided.
[underlining added...]
(source (http://www.occupydemocrats.com/2016/01/15/after-poisoning-entire-city-with-lead-republicans-swiftly-vote-to-gut-obamas-clean-water-rule-2/))


The city of Flint couldn't come with an extra $100 a day...? And it's the Republican governor's fault? Why do cities elect Democrats, I wonder...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-10, 08:47:22
No, Sang: You continue to show your ignorance of the Constitution... Congress or the executive branch have the power to limit immigration however they choose.


No, Sang: You continue to show your ignorance of the Constitution... Congress or the executive branch have the power to limit immigration however they choose.

You're trying to invoke the plenary power doctrine, but I guarantee banning an entire religion of 1.6 billion adherents entry into the US wouldn't survive a legal challenge. Remember, Trump isn't just addressing immigration, but mere entry into the US. But let's say I'm wrong and it did, such a thing would be monumentally stupid on multiple levels. Wouldn't that be fabulous for international relations banning a Kuwaiti Sheik for entry into the US on the grounds that he's a Muslim. It's plays right in ISIS and Al-Quada's hands.

How do you necessarily know somebody is a Muslim in the first place? There are countries that pretty evenly divided between Islam and Christianity and even predominantly Muslim countries have Christians and Jews. How would those GOPers be able to tell them apart, gonna have the Christians were a cross and the Jews a Star of David (that would create problems of its own...), as if a Muslim couldn't pick one up for five bucks (if not less?) What of Caucasian Muslims? Then did you wanna open existing Muslims in the US to radicalization by making them feel discriminated against, wanna prove to Muslims that it's a "clash of civilizations?" In case you don't understand because you're slow, this attempt to keep terrorists out would create more terrorists. Obviously, you Republicans didn't think this one through (as usual with your issues) and I'm barely scratching the surface.

But it's doubtful that I'm wrong.
The  Wall Street Journal  (http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-calls-for-ban-on-muslim-entry-into-u-s-1449526104) tells us that constitutional scholars are calling it unconstitutional. It's your right-wing media that hallucinates that such a thing is legal in the constitution, although it should be noted the WSJ is a conservative publication. Your right-wing blogs point out cases in which people were denied entry based on race and national origin, but those cases are old. Banning an entire major world religion would not survive Federal Courts and ultimately the SCOTUS today, just as those old examples would have struck down  
Should everyone wish to be an American?

Of course not. But that's based on the personal background and character of the person, not on his or her race and religion. There are horrible middle-eastern Muslims just as there are toxic white, Christian Europeans. Likewise, there are hardworking, intelligent people with good character of every race, religion and nationality. I don't think this is hard, except to ignorant, racist GOPers.

Now onto Flint. Did I say it was all Snyder's fault? Flint was under the management of Darnell Earley, appointed by Snyder. Perhaps even you can understand this. He was not elected by the people. Earley claimed he objected to the switching the water source, but there is no record of his supposed objections in any of the resolutions. His excuse is that the decision to which water source was made before he became manager. Former Mayor Dayne Walling called Earley's account "blatantly false" and City Council President Josh Freeman called it a "fairy tale. " Regardless of who's to blame, why didn't Snyder's man order the hundred bucks a day be spent, especially after the problems with the water supply became evident (almost immediately?) Where the Snyder administration's culpability comes in is that they failed to respond months ago when they complaints over water quality and sick people were already coming from Flint. What we have here is a case of cost cutting over humanity , GOP style.  
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-10, 10:21:26
You're trying to invoke the plenary power doctrine, but I guarantee banning an entire religion of 1.6 billion adherents entry into the US wouldn't survive a legal challenge.
Upon what Constitutional basis would such a "legal" challenge be based...?
Is there a "right" of entry into the U.S. mentioned anywhere in the Constitution? There are laws passed by congress that prescribed and proscribed nationalities -- and, while I'll agree, they weren't "fair" (or even reasonable...), they were Constitutional. Likewise, some of Obama's executive actions have actually abrogated adopted laws. Doesn't that bother you?

But I suppose you mean, if there are enough liberal activist judges on the Supreme Court, than "importing" international law (the laws of other nations, and those of the United Nations...) into our own Supreme Court's deliberations might swing their opinions towards the way you'd like...? :)

I'm opposed to accepting foreign-law precedent in our courts. Their ways are -often- not ours; and, while we may understand them, they are unlikely to ever understand us.
(I don't know why it's so hard, for those from the Old World -and Great Britain, in particular- to "get" us: They had all the same pieces of the puzzle we had...)

I suppose it's much like RJ imagines: Every crack-pot with a soapbox should be considered a viable candidate! What else is democracy about? :)

Someone said:
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John Yoo, a conservative law professor at the University of California, Berkeley, said the" proposal is unconstitutional", pointing to First Amendment guarantees of the free exercise of religion.

"The United States cannot discriminate on the basis of religion," Mr. Yoo said. He added that in the past, the U.S. has discriminated based on country of origin, but that is different from a wholesale religious ban.
Why...? Yoo has been wrong before. (Some of you may remember...) But never so bald-faced, stupidly wrong!
The distinction is not moot; it is plain and persistently pernicious. Actual adherence to Islamic doctrine requires the elimination of the United States of America... Isn't that a declaration of war?
Of course, followers of Islam could reject much of what their Holy Books say... They won't, of course.
And the so-called "radicals" will continue, with a lot of support from the "moderates".

Where -I'd ask Mr. Yoo- does it say that it can't discriminate on the basis of religion...?
(This is a serious question: Until the U.S. rules the world, only our citizens are entitled to the "rights" of U.S. citizens... But, of course, most of us would like to see everyone else have them.)

Has it not occurred to the "powers-that-be" that those who desire (and conspire to achieve...) Shari'a seek the demise of American republicanism, and democracy in general?
The usual means of succession in Muslim countries is -- assassination; their "books" and history show that that is what they expect.
Do we want that...?

Does anyone who says Yes understand how far back we'd go, to get there?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-10, 11:21:51
Shari'a seek the demise of American republicanism, and democracy in general?
Do yourself a favor and look up from those right-wing blogs, will ya? Such a ban will never get passed in the first place. It just red meat for GOP primary voters and the candidates know this. But the fact remains that its unconstitutional on religious grounds and if it wasn't.




Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ovas on 2016-02-10, 17:37:03
I hope you're lucky America with Trump. Offer to arrange a vote on moderators of candidate in Presidents of America.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-10, 17:53:15
One can only be unlucky with Trump.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-11, 00:52:09
But the fact remains that its unconstitutional on religious grounds and if it wasn't.
Cogent, as always, Sang! What was it you meant to say? Care to try again? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-12, 02:48:41
No. Instead I'll ask you how it's possible to think this good policy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-12, 03:18:14
Didn't say it was! But it is not unconstitutional.

The policy of taking into the U.S. refugees from Syria and other areas over-run by ISIS -knowing full-well we can't vet them- is risky. What benefits outweigh the risks?
(And please don't say something like "Good PR"... That matters little, in the Middle East.)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-12, 15:01:42
Note again, we're talking about a total ban on Muslims coming into the country not just would-be immigrants. Perhaps you're not understanding how draconian the positions of your GOPers are here's where we're running into constitutional issues but acceptance or refusal of refugees probably is constitutional. Trump's proposal, which NH GOP primary voters seemed to support would ban people like Peter Murphy (former lead singer of Bauhaus) from entering the country on the grounds that converted to Islam. Get it now?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-12, 19:30:43
The highly unusual circumstances happening in the carnival, ooops, Presidential race show how much people have gradually become disconcerted with what passes for a political or representative system. There are unfortunately an almost circus for a developed country. Thankfully I live 3,000 miles away from Wall Street land but iordinary people have at last started coming round to what passes for a way of doing things. On the |Republican side there is really no-one of a moderate sense hence the rise of Trump and makes that side look so silly. On the Democrats corner, Clinton is a very snide woman who is being supported by big money. That incident where she got $670,000  for 3 speeches for a big money corporation she answered with a stupid stance. She is just as bad and is so much part of the in-house money lot. Even when she got beat by Bernie Saunders coming onto platforms you could tell she was so damn false with all that smiling and pointing to people with out on laughter. She is a hypocrite. If she wins it will just be the same establishment  and make no difference to the middle or working class people. Although I am no of Saunders tradition I would say that his thinking is long overdue for America..

One cannot but feel for the ordinary American who has had his loyalty misused and suffered the propaganda guff of the media which is controlled by the big money corner.  The republicans are at sixes and sevens but the Democrats under Clinton will make little difference. However Bernie Saunders does I hope it is a new direction especially for the young who have been sidetracked but now given some home by the views of that man.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-13, 00:50:24
Oh please, Howie. Here we go again. You're saying the British establishment candidates aren't supported by big money? Spare us.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-13, 22:37:30
The usual ex-colonist brained guff.

We in practice have a far wider parliamentary system. There are a 3 main national parties (4 if you consider that UKIP now has an MP and also won the Euro Elections on britain). In addition there are regional parties like the Welsh and Scottisn nationalist parties and the Unionists in Ulster. It is completely different from what goes on in your messed up money controlled fiefdom. Some 40% of your lower House are multi-millionaires and 60% of the Senate. The 2 parties are rules by money barons and you do not have the wider situation we have in parliament the standing committees and wider democracy. So you are the big losers and that Clinton woman taking in that $670,000 dollars from the finance sector from 3 speeches alone?

So you are trying to ignore that both the Democrats and Republicans aren't tied up with the Wall Street controllers whereas here having the national and regional aspect to our democracy puts you lot in the damnable shade.  So sneer and be as crassly ignorant as you like but even with rich people our system is broader based and more challenging to money than your political joke.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-14, 02:17:02
Some 40% of your lower House are multi-millionaires and 60% of the Senate.

I'd love to hear you explain The House of Lords.

But in Britain if you're born into money you're just supposed to have it therefore no one can say anything about it. So it'd just be a whiny mess of excuses.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-14, 02:39:44
Howie, tells us all about Lord Ashcroft worth 1.48 billion USD :) I'm not saying Republicans and Democrats aren't beholden to big money, I'm just saying you're quick to judge the US without looking at your own country first - as usual.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-14, 04:41:32
RJ, this might please you (...before you realize what it means! :) ): The sad new of Antonin Scalia's death creates a situation where the Republican Senators must prevent another Obama nominee from ascending to the Supreme Court. Should they fail to do so, the U.S. will likely see its first successful third party...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2016-02-14, 14:00:38
That clearly was a "the king[maker] is dead" event. You can spot a succession event by how the usual long-winded eulogies about the deceased's love of children and dogs are largely foregone for the more urgent matter of succession.

I liked Hillary Clinton's impromptu trolling of nominating Obama for Supreme Court Justice. It would probably be among the last candidates a President Clinton would pick, but for Candidate Clinton to "endorse" it was very House of Cards (the US version).
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-14, 15:57:58
Midnight Racoon is at his usual level and maybe there is a mental redneck degree in the ex-colonies. Trying to use Lord Ashcroft in comparison to what goes on over the pond is an illustration of stupidity. I detailed thw far wider parliamentary system we have compared to the big 2 money parties that run America. There is no comparison at all. Even with the Democrats the tens of millions of disadvanted are there everywhere in the USA. Instead of being able to compare with our better system and wider party involvement even for local issues we get utter stupidity from him.

It will in general make no damn difference to those tens of millions of the worse off in the wonderful Disneyland that is US politics or so-called democracy. What is there is by the decision of the money me and they are with the Democrats too and so is that smart arse, Hillary Clinton. The one more important matter is that the excellent showing nders will be a chance fror the future. When I watched her being interviewed regarding the Wall Street mioney men speech payment she squirmed. Both Trump and Saunders (who is more positive) get the bounce because so many Americans are fed up with what passes for a democratic thing and they know it.

Clinton like that two-faced Obama will continue with the Wall Street mob, encourage military bases everywhere for the age-old groan of "security". Indeed so many Yanks have been brained by that word they tend to accept it! Drones will continue to grow (remember wonderful Obama fired off more of them that GW Bush did). The unwanted base on Cuba will continue and is a damnable disgrace  being in a country that does not want the US base on their soil. Rights, freedoms, etc? A load of codswallop.

Clinton will get the White House and the people will have missed their chance to get somewhere more positive than bankrupting the place for imperialism and military corporate business. The salary stagnation, struggling economy and building a new Cold War will all continue The so-called 2 party system is a damnable joke and even more so the further down society you are. If there was a wider range of parties in the millionaires Hill that would make a difference but the money controllers will see that doesn't happen as they are in charge of the Democrats and republicans so forget real democracy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-14, 18:41:36
The specific complaint of yours that I was addressing is the supposed wealth of our lawmakers. I was merely noting that Lord Ashcroft has all of ours beat my large margin and he's not the only one your side. Then, as per usual, you veer off into your usual anti-American rant like a broken robot that can only repeat the same phrases in a loop.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-14, 19:56:13
Well he's doing enough body swerving to keep up a hula hoop. Jaws about a lack of democracy from a land where hereditary offices keep watch over his diverse parliamentary dreams. 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-15, 14:48:07
There is no comparison at all ensband fine you dashed well know it. We DO have a wider political system in PRACTICE and you don't. Just two big money parties controlling everything and leaving increasing numbers of ordinary Americans out. For goodness sake even for your built-in self smugness on the wonderful system there is no comparison . Here more parties are involved and there is not a same situation as in the corporate string pullers in the ex-colonies. Trying to use the Head of state matter is grasping at straws and when you look at the repeated families in the USA involved in senior politics you do have a nerve.

I tried to make it as simple as I could for the would-be rednecks here by showing we had more than 2 national parties like your unfortunate controlled fiefdom as well as regional political parties. Far more democratic than the 2 control freak lots you have. That nearly half your lower house are multi-millionaires and over 60% of the upper fiascon says more directly. If your people were allowed a wider opportunity maybe there would not be so many Americans who wonder why they should bother voting and know who really runs the country. It is in practice a crying shame the way the country has been taken over by the greedy money barons and as I repeatedly have pointed out that there was a President and a Republican too (!) who warned tyou all of the increasing power of money moguls (Eisenhower, remember??)

What we get here i this thread is a determination not to face the hard truth that many Americans are feeling nowadays hence the rise of Trump and Saunders (more positive of the two. Utter frustration, misuses of that Constitution and money control while training people to be ultra nationalist mental flag waving brained. Rather than face the truth the mindset controllers try to avoid the truth by getting a dig elsewhere.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-15, 15:36:56
Utter frustration, misuses of that Constitution and money control while training people to be ultra nationalist mental flag waving brained.

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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-15, 17:56:22

The usual ex-colonist brained guff.

We in practice have a far wider parliamentary system. There are a 3 main national parties (4 if you consider that UKIP now has an MP and also won the Euro Elections on britain). In addition there are regional parties like the Welsh and Scottisn nationalist parties and the Unionists in Ulster. It is completely different from what goes on in your messed up money controlled fiefdom. Some 40% of your lower House are multi-millionaires and 60% of the Senate. The 2 parties are rules by money barons and you do not have the wider situation we have in parliament the standing committees and wider democracy. So you are the big losers and that Clinton woman taking in that $670,000 dollars from the finance sector from 3 speeches alone?

So you are trying to ignore that both the Democrats and Republicans aren't tied up with the Wall Street controllers whereas here having the national and regional aspect to our democracy puts you lot in the damnable shade.  So sneer and be as crassly ignorant as you like but even with rich people our system is broader based and more challenging to money than your political joke.

Tell us more about how food and clothing pantries have exponentially increased since that twa* Cameron has been in office please.
Is that the UK you want? The Scotland you want?

He is of course (thankfully) your problem, but I for one loathe the man. I was very lucky to get to have my study abroad experience when I did, as the very next semester, that fawking c*nt imposed those outrageous tuition feed UK-wide.

I have many fond memories of my study abroad experience, but some of my favorite were marching against David Cameron and his jackass policies, in solidarity with loads of professors who were due to be let go at the end of the semester.

Apologies for some slight vulgarity, but this sums up my thoughts on Mr. Howie's hero, David Cameron:

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-15, 17:59:28
I tried to make it as simple as I could for the would-be rednecks here by showing we had more than 2 national parties

You see it is my username that's really simple.
ensband

You're trying to over complicate this. Like your parliamentary system actually. I can only assume that is by design. Power is shifted around so you're not really sure who can do what, I guess. All I know is you can't explain it.

-92 peers are hereditary.
-26 of those are bishops.
-18 of 29 cabinet members are multimillionaires and that number has been higher more recently.
-400 people own over 90% of all the land in Scotland. 

Here's a good place to start explaining. (if you can put that hula hoop down.).

Defending your own system is probably impossible so you want to talk about the US all the time. You've proven that countless times. No thought you have is your own and you're nothing more than a bully. Your attacks only serve your tiny little feelings. Your wit isn't what upsets people. I gripe about my government too. I guess they feed you yours in a soup you find quite nice. As long as the establishment of clergy, hereditary peers and MPs that have enough influence and get nominated, not elected, don't cause too much fuss one house works pretty well if you give some of them executive powers and mention the queen every once in awhile. 

So please control yourself old man. Big boy time. (Or go back and play with your trains and boys like every weirdo ever.)      

*edited out some of the distraction.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-17, 03:12:09
You are a typical Yank and cannot answer the hypocritical charges. Instead you try and use the limited knowledge of how this democracy operates. It is the House of Commons which decides and the House of Lords does an excellent job of reviewing matters before the Commons which is the elected chamber makes the decision. The Commons includes a far wider political range than your chamber full of the moneyed lot does and you choose to ignore this because it does not suit you. In fact you lot are brained from young that you are the greatest democracy etc in the world and just look at the state of things in practice! Parties outside your bg two get nowhere but here they do and that does not suit you so handy for you to ignore the truth . It is always the same on this forum that when you system ius shown to be badly flawed grabbing hold of some small points where is the usual answer. Our MP's decide NOT the Lords which is a checking chamber. In addition our top taxed people pay around 25% of the tax brought in and they also get taxed more than your lot (not surprising considering the 40% and 60% I mention on the Hill).

So we in hard fact do have a broader representative system in our MP's the wide range of different parties and that is a much more democratic thing than you lot have got over there. Having been brained since young of being the world's greatest democracy it is hardly surprising the guff one gets from you but not your fault it is the way you are brought up. Only 2 parties in your "parliament" and you side swipe at us?! It doesn't matter a tinker's curse which of the 2 money controlled parties you have in power and when you see some of the people you have right now who want to be President that only belabours the deep flaw and problem you lot have got.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-17, 08:31:26
You are a typical Yank and cannot answer the hypocritical charges.
RJ, when a hypocrite calls you a hypocrite -- what can you say? :) But, when a hypocrite is too ignorant or indoctrinated to know that he is one, others easily see it...
Carry on, old sod! :)
we in hard fact do have a broader representative system in our MP's the wide range of different parties and that is a much more democratic thing than you lot have got over there
First: You do know that most people are stupid and venal? :) Second, you've heard that stupidity multiplied by stupidity equals... Hm. What would you think? Third, your "parties" are mere window-dressing for the powers that be in you islands; if you are too daft to realize that, that's no skin off my nose. But It does mitigate the import of your diatribes... :)

Look at it this way, RJ: You're an ill-educated man, of little experience, little intellectual means or endeavor, and little interest in the world-at-large... But you are bellicose to an extent that makes something quite clear to me: You'd have made a fine Nazi! Most of the "pieces" are in place.
Too bad they didn't win WW II, huh? :)
You might have been an Uber-something or other!
But, quite naturally, you revert your admiration to the Russian strongman Putin -- as the model of a statesman. (Guess even you recognize, the Reich ain't coming back.) Were you born a fascist, I wonder?
So we in hard fact do have a broader representative system in our MP's the wide range of different parties and that is a much more democratic thing than you lot have got over there.
Perhaps. But what has it got you? Indeed, if you can think of such tings, what will it get your children and grandchildren?
A Mao? A Lenin? A Hitler? A Tito? A Mussolini? A Lincoln? A Reagan? A Thatcher?

You're fond of being inconsequential. (You've earned that status, and you should be proud: When one has nothing left to give, one should retire -- take up gardening, perhaps? Or toy trains? :) ) But you're also fond of criticizing your betters -- those who have actually done better than you. That's just bile, boy-o; and you know it!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-17, 09:12:27
The Commons includes a far wider political range than your chamber full of the moneyed lot does and you choose to ignore this because it does not suit you.

Does it? The other day I read a piece proclaiming the Republican party has died and been replaced by waring factions of evangelicals, wall street types, perpetually angry Trumpites, Tea Partiers, etc. That in and of itself is not interesting. What makes it a little so is that poster noted that the Democratic Party is divided among Democratic Socialists, progressives, liberals (often conflated with progressives), etc. The take-away is that while only two parties have representation in Congress, they represent a wide array of viewpoints and backgrounds.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-17, 09:20:36
And the same kind of incoherent decadent society as GB? :)

Two of the things conservatism seeks to mitigate are incoherence and decadency... But some people actually want both! :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-17, 17:21:02
Instead you try and use the limited knowledge of how this democracy operates.

So you're saying I can't read some articles or such and understand the full scope of the situation? Don't worry. I knew you wouldn't understand. I did kind of expect you to give me a little more than I can read in articles or wiki tho. Sorry, I expected too much knowing your telly would provide the answers. Not like you've ever shown a capacity to be much more.

I guess the problem is I'm just not willing to attack a whole nation because I think you're a daft hypocrite. And others made a couple of points I meant to touch on in the follow up... So I guess this gets to be shorter than I initially thought.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-17, 23:14:26
No, you are being deliberately ignorant and grasp at straws which does not help you at all. Trying to use passing incidents to dismiss our far wider democracy is the point. Our parliament with far more political representation is way ahead of the 2 parties run by the rich that run your country.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-18, 00:37:13
No, you are being deliberately ignorant and grasp at straws which does not help you at all. Trying to use passing incidents to dismiss our far wider democracy is the point.

Translation: "Yo mama so fat she jumped in the air and got stuck!"

Our parliament with far more political representation is way ahead of the 2 parties run by the rich that run your country.

Okay. I'm still listening... Ehh, you know what? God save the Queen and good day, Sir. :salute: I'm in far too good a mood to bother.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-18, 18:17:18
No you cannot really answer the system your country is saddled with so fall back on the ususal trait of goung elsewhere to avoid the damnable truth. That so many Americans are suffering due to the system is only enhanced by the factual truth of this Presidential carnival race. On the Republican side a whole range of squabbling candidates and trump well in front (what a joke!). On the Democrat side Clinton who tries to say she is of the money barons corner but you lot ignore that hefty payout she got for speaking and sponsored by them. The other candidates Senator Saunders is of a stance that is traditionally out of sync with the traditional carve up. Clinton will get the job and will make no damn difference to the millions with stagnating incomes the homeless legions and the tens of millions of poor.

The support Trump and Saunders are getting says much about what passes over the pond as so many people as i have always said feel increasingly left out of things. There is no wide political party scenario and the 2 giants have made sure of that and Americans increasingly frustrated. Saunders is probably the best for the ordinary person but due to the control freakery of the money controlled government system and media a forlorn hope.  When you and others can come back with a proper multi-party representative system then boast but meantime give great credence to doing a sidestep or a desperate misdirection to somewhere else or fall back on sneering and sod all.

When Clinton takes over the barons will continue the half the global military bill will continue the numbers losing homes or or food stamps will not fall, confrontation with Russia for daring to challenge the part democracy country, attack countries that won't accept the hegemony are all going to be there. Democracy? The word is misused well!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-02-18, 23:39:12
About candidates, Pope Francis declared that that Trump thing can't be a Christian.
:lol:

Anyone that only thinks about building walls not about building bridges can't be a Christian, His Holyness said.
Francis, the people loves you.

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-19, 01:16:18
It's a long-traditioned love: Fools have a special place in the hearts of most societies... But few forget that the fool is a fool! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-19, 01:55:13
 I wonder if Howie will at least learn to spell Sanders before the election?  ???
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-19, 01:59:24

I wonder if Howie will at least learn to spell Sanders before the election?  ???

Clearly this is who he is talking about.    :left:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Saunders_(American_football_coach) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Saunders_(American_football_coach))
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-19, 03:48:19
There's an amusing bio of Bernie Sanders on the Prison Planet site (...which I don't recommend, for any serious purposes!) that sticks pretty close to the facts. What a loser! Of course, government "service" was his best option...
His main idea seems to be that we can all get by, by taking in each others' laundry! :)
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Howie, you've lived your life the same way. Are you happy with it?

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-02-19, 06:57:52
It's a long-traditioned love: Fools have a special place in the hearts of most societies... But few forget that the fool is a fool!  :)

You go tell that to the hispanic vote... :)
Trump can say bye bye to his election. So many millon dollars vaporized with just a simple sentence. Yes, it must hurt deep inside. :lol:

The man was asking for it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-19, 15:54:06
Yep. He said a bunch of stupid crap already about them being rapists, etc in his quest to win the GOP primary. What he doesn't realize that a lot of legal hispanics (born in the this country or not) heard him call them rapists.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-02-20, 01:16:21
Yep. He said a bunch of stupid crap already about them being rapists


(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/lol015.gif)  Geeeez, when will it ever end!?  Next, he might start calling them RACISTS.....well, it always works fer the Leftards. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)

Now, I know this is only the HuffPost, but somehow he keeps on keepin' on......no matter what he says.

It's almost like he's leading a protest, & everyone is angry enough to realize he's their only real shot to stuff it to the RINOs?

(https://i.imgur.com/YGrgQFd.jpg)

Hopefully they'll wake up soon enough to realize it's about the big picture.......stopping the Mother Queen Bitch....& the Socialtards

Now, excuse me....but the Captain says were coming into a school of Tuna....gotta go!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-20, 02:10:15
It's almost like he's leading a protest, & everyone is angry enough to realize he's their only real shot to stuff it to the RINOs?

Well the fact that it's HuffPo doesn't change the numbers any more that it coming from Fox or Breitbart does (I always find it amusing that Rightards think their sources are any better than HuffPo, Oakdale doesn't get confused again that doesn't mean that HuffPo isn't slanted and posts inane stories...:p) Anyway, Trump is and Sanders is doing so from his side of the spectrum. But Donald will never be elected in the general election, the electoral college stands in his way. Let me put this way; Trump gets the nomination, the Democrats break out the champagne.

But I have to wonder what happens to Trump's lead when more candidates start dropping out of the race. None of the those numbers show him having a majority. And what about delegate counts? The national poll for either party doesn't mean that much without looking at how each is doing in specific states, especially California.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-20, 02:49:51
This election carnival would mean something if the country had a wider democratic system and as I say it does not matter a tinker's cuss whether Democrats or Republicans win the scores of millions will be no better off. Well over two centuries and the place still hasn't grown up.  :happy:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-20, 10:30:19
A "wider democratic system"? :) You mean, street theater! Performance art! Such silliness does happen here; but not too many of us take it seriously: We're not so naive and ill-educated...
(I know you've seen "man on the street interviews" that do indeed make us seem ignorant idiots -- but you'll note, they're always done in liberal strongholds! :) Something to ponder, eh? Nah. You don't ponder: You pussilate.)
You're welcome to your "system" and you well-know your next queen may well be a male! You precede us in almost all the varieties of perversities, excepting -perhaps- individualism: Without a backbone you can hardly manage to stand up on your own... Which is odd, considering we came from your stock; but we remembered, while you forgot.
(Of course, that's not entirely true; that we came from your stock... We're mostly English -- you know, the folk that subjugated you. We had a history of freedom; you had a history of -- what? Do tell, RJ!)

You'll stay in the EU because you are weak and poor: You need their alms, and you might require their strength. (Much as your devolution referendum per force failed, your threat of leaving the EU will... Need I mention again, weak and poor? :( I'm sorry it's so; but it's people like you who've made it so, RJ -- half socialist, half fascist.) You know what you are -- that makes you hate so many others, who aren't... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-02-20, 11:38:58
RJ -- half socialist, half fascist.

Fascism was always very socialist by American republican standards. National-Socialism (nazis) even more. The working classes under fascism had much more social welfare and benefits than they ever had and still have in the US.

The political spectrum in Europe goes from Right to Left like this:
Fascist/Nationalists - Christian Democrats - Social Democrats (what you call socialists) - Socialists - Comunists - Exteme left groups (Trotskysts, Maoists and the sort).

Anarchists and environmentalists are somehow considered outsiders of the classic political spectrum but environmentalists are getting in.

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-21, 02:46:57
Oakdale your system is not as wide as other places and very much including mine.. Although a completely different background the rise of the amusing Trump and in a completely different direct, Sanders proves your problem. And take note that Clinton's Democrat rival is right behind her and she is not getting landslides plus the high numbers of the young who are ired of what you have over there.

I would say Belfrager that National Socialism does as it claimed want to suggest it took the "best" out of Nationalism and Socialism but the other very obvious point is that places with a strong RC population where very easy to get a strong fascist stance. Spain, Portugal, Netherlands (25,000 joining the SS to fight in the USSR, Belgium), Germany, Italy! Will give an exemption and that is Ukraine where the west of that messed up place supported the Nazis and fought for them too!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-21, 03:52:32
Oakdale your system is not as wide as other places and very much including mine..
Wide? :) You're bailing with a sieve...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2016-02-21, 13:19:52

RJ -- half socialist, half fascist.

Fascism was always very socialist by American republican standards. National-Socialism (nazis) even more. The working classes under fascism had much more social welfare and benefits than they ever had and still have in the US.

The political spectrum in Europe goes from Right to Left like this:
Fascist/Nationalists - Christian Democrats - Social Democrats (what you call socialists) - Socialists - Comunists - Exteme left groups (Trotskysts, Maoists and the sort).

Anarchists and environmentalists are somehow considered outsiders of the classic political spectrum but environmentalists are getting in.



i dont understand this well.
may someone from US translate this to  ;  Normal distribution .

with valid data  input please . 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-02-21, 13:37:26
I would say Belfrager that National Socialism does as it claimed want to suggest it took the "best" out of Nationalism and Socialism but the other very obvious point is that places with a strong RC population where very easy to get a strong fascist stance.

Let's not use this thread to discuss how "my" Fascism is better than "your" Nazism.

What happens is that political discussions between Americans and Europeans seems as a lunatics talking because, for starters, both don't use the same political culture, classification and standards.
I doubt that both can understand each other and that's the foundation for a western divider that, in today's world, has necessarily cathastrophic consequences.

Is no good thing that we look to the American presidential elections as if watching some Aboriginal's ritual.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-21, 21:21:08
Well it might as well be Aboriginal because it is a childish farce!

Your own dictatorship probably lasted longer no doubt due to the fact they were wise not to get into a war like say Italy.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-23, 18:21:29
Back to the 2016 Presidential election:
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Quote
Donald Trump said he wanted to punch a protester "in the face" after the man disrupted a campaign rally in Las Vegas on Monday night.

"Here's a guy, throwing punches, nasty as hell, screaming at everything else, when we're talking," Trump told the crowd, although CNN reported the man did not appear to be fighting with security officers.

"The guards are very gentle with him. He's walking out, like, big high-fives, smiling, laughing," Trump continued, before saying to loud cheers: "I'd like to punch him in the face, I tell ya."


Yes, sir, that's the man I'd like to see dueling with Vlad the Impaler Putin.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-24, 02:41:28
Interesting that you are keen to slag off someone else for repeating a stance and you do exactly the same thing yourself in a regular fashion. You were part of those generations who were brained into the Cold War stuff so that the corporate military business could make it's fortune and still doing it!

Equally you slag off another country as if it was still a Red dictatorship as it doesn't suit the propaganda Cold War mentality pumped into Yanks. What makes your place look even more ridiculous is that Trump is well into the position of becoming the Presidential candidate for one of the 2 conlomerate money parties. Dear, oh dear many countries a lot smaller could give you a better lesson in political width. That Trump is even getting the level of support shows an inbuilt weakness and how minds are so easily controlled over there.

On the other side of the semi-dictatorship, Clinton is deeply part of the political/money control that passes for democracy. But even she is not getting massive wins is she but being breathed on by a senator who is following a political agenda that is frowned on by the land of the free and home of the brave. How in heavens a nation can show so much support for Trump is beyond the simple answr of ridicule but illustrate a greater weakness of system. I really do feel very sorry for the decent over the water because they cannot give a proper answer to multitudes who follows head-bangers by the million and only illustrates how faulty the whole damn system is. It is neither a wide political system at all (no doubt why so many especially the young) support Sanders because they are so sick of what is meant to be a principled way of doing things. Even the damn bit of paper from the Revolution days is constantly fought over.

My one desperate hope is that following the White House carnival that there will be some definitive and stable aftermath of what Senator Sanders has created because it is what America actually needs and the young have got frustration in their teeth. Clinton is going to make no damn difference to the norm of creating in your face situations in the world, maintaining hundreds of bases for the emotional keech called "security" and keeping the imperialistic and military control of the world.

One lasat wee bit of advice to the propaganda subtly stuffed into American minds by the coroporate media control. Don't try anything too physical with places like China and Russia for example as you won't win. You don't want another S. Vietnam farce. Hhhm, maybe worth a look at and the young will force a second and more promising Revolution!  :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-24, 06:51:31
Howie, is your contention truly that Stupid + Stupid + Stupid + Stupid + Stupid = Smart? What else could your "wide" democracy comments mean? :)
Only by appropriately limiting the government's sphere can "democracy" function and maintain a free society. We tried (...and mostly succeeded) to do that; but it takes work, when the numbers become so large... We are struggling. But our struggle is mostly to keep from following GB and most of Europe into senescence...

That's why a principled, consistent conservative constitutionalist is needed in the presidency. And why anything less is so problematical: Our nation was founded and flourished upon principles; and these are being eroded...have been being so for generations.
I'd rather not see the cynicism and ennui of your side of the Atlantic become commonplace over here!
Can you blame me?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-24, 07:21:45
That's why a principled, consistent conservative constitutionalist is needed in the presidency.
But your Republicans are none of those things. Their constitutional principles go right out the window, except for perhaps the Second Amendment. They're unprincipled reactionaries appealing to the lowest common denominator and fail to address the real problems of poverty, substandard healthcare that requires ER visits at the taxpayers' expense instead of a routine doctor's office visit, etc. Is Flint really the only city with third-worldish water "issues" thanks to GOP cost cutting measures. The GOP seems too concerned that a Christian baker somewhere might have to bake a cake for a same-sex couple (although one admitted to baking a cake for an adulterous marriage :rolleyes: ) and inventing other threats to "religious liberty" than addressing the real challenges our country faces. 

But once again, we have poor choices for president. There's the loud mouth Trump, who promises idiotic things such a wall between the US and Mexico. He also admitted to trolling when things got dull, so we don't actually know where he stands on much and how much of what he says he means. I also heard a theory that he'll get his ass handed to him on Super Tuesday but I guess we'll see - South Carolina is hardly representative of mainstream America. Sanders does mean what he says, but his proposals stand a snowball's chance in hell of making it through congress. Cruz is another GOPer that will try to force his brand of Christianity down the country's throat and evidently doesn't know the constitution doesn't allow this and neither do his supporters. Hillary is another neocon on foreign policy and basically a 1990's - early 2000's Republican except for her support of LGBT issues. Rubio is just another bland establishment Republican. So once again, we're left with a choice of the lesser of two evils.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-24, 08:07:44
Cruz is another GOPer that will try to force his brand of Christianity down the country's throat and evidently doesn't know the constitution doesn't allow this and neither do his supporters.
As usual, your bias clouds your judgement... Cruz has -based upon his understanding of the constitution- no way to force "his brand of Christianity" upon anyone; he knows it, and calmly accepts it.
Oh? Did you mean that the constitution says potential moms can kill their potential kids -- and that's what the Democrat Party "stands for"? And because Cruz is opposed to that he's a "meanie"?
I think all you really have to say is that you disagree with some of Cruz's policy positions (...and, unfortunately, most of his principles). I understand: You want what you want!
But --seriously!-- most of your disagreements with Cruz don't matter at all, to most voters! (I know, you think you're "special"! And so you are... You're for you! That's all you know and all you care about.
And your party is much the same...)

Oh, I suppose that if someone doesn't come right out and say "Gay is good!" then they've transgressed? :)  That is your one issue, isn't it?
You'd consign them to the Gulag or asylum -- because you're a fascist, at heart! If only you had the power!

Sure, this is a rant -- with not too much support... But I trust you to provide it! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-24, 08:18:39
Oh? Did you mean that the constitution says potential moms can kill their potential kids -- and that's what the Democrat Party "stands for"? And because Cruz is opposed to that he's a "meanie"?

I see you're getting drunk again. This isn't good for your liver, ya know.
That is your one issue, isn't it?
You'd consign them to the Gulag or asylum -- because you're a fascist, at heart! If only you had the power!

I take it back. You must be shitfaced already.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-24, 09:31:28
Your view of the "political landscape" is what it is, Sang: No other opinion matters, because you're right! And anyone who disagrees must be suppressed...
"Green energy" isn't just sensible and profitable: It must be supported by the government! And older technologies must be -- punished!
Same-sex marriage isn't just to be allowed: All must be made to say it's A-OK! (Or they'll be punished!) Universal (i.e., single payer) health care must be instituted, because -- well, only the government can do such things! And -if it turns out that it can't- well, that just means that  the forces of evil have won another round... (Because anyone who disagrees with you must be evil, or stupid! You're a Trump sort-a guy yourself! Only, not so successful. :) )

It's true that I'm drunk. I'd say something similar to what Winston Churchill said to Lady Ashton when they bumped into each other in the cloakroom after a party:
She said, "Winston, you're drunk!" He replied, after recognizing her, "Madam, you're ugly! In the morning, I shall be sober..."

Do you "fight" for the right of guys to go into girl's bathrooms...? Or are you not that far gone? :)

What -I'd ask you- are your problems with Ted Cruz, as a potential president? (Let's hope you can do better than Trump, explaining your misgivings! But will you even try? :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-25, 04:01:52
Although people in the real world outside look at Trump, shake their heads and cannot beive that a system can have such the more concern is the amount of influence and support he IS getting. I know, I know the inteloigent observors including here will say "nah, he won't get in the White House" one rally seen 8,000 turning up and even if he lost an occasional place in this long walk the general drift is he is going to be out in front of the Republican race.

On the other side all the rubbish from that Clinton mouth about not being part of the establishment and getting flooded with corporate money makes her a hypocrite. Those in the Democrats camp who are championing the would-be great leader suitably ignore the fact that she is no Joan of Arc and that the gaps although she may win the gaps in the votes at present between her and Sanders are very close.

Looking from the outside this process that America has is a long drawn out and groaning procedure and they should just do what other countries do and simply have a damn election without all this hoo-haa. I am sure that many thinking people would have sympathies with that one. On a lesser note and as I pointed out that if Clinton corporate mouth wins it will not make a bit of difference to the large numers of people struggling on salaries that er not going anywhere the legions of un-insured and poor it will just be business as usual.

The puzzling thing for the lookers in across the world cannot understand why someone like Trump can draw in large parts of the population with the stuff he pumps out.  It is one think the opponents groaning at the man but how do you explain to the outside world that there are such large numbers of the citizenry who see him as great? Indeed it is an embarrassment for the thinking in the country but the hard fact that he is so high up amongst so many is disappointing and appalling. It is just unfortunate that the political system is as it is for the vasy mahority of the decent people it is a problem for them.  :-[
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-25, 04:14:10
Let me get this straight: You're all for democracy but opposed to a populist? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Sparta on 2016-02-25, 11:48:32
 i think they are not an ellitist, aristocrat , nor pluctocrat .

they are just take the parts in the democracy  , and do the easiest job  to do .

insulting

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-25, 17:36:31

Although people in the real world outside look at Trump, shake their heads and cannot beive that a system can have such the more concern is the amount of influence and support he IS getting. I know, I know the inteloigent observors including here will say "nah, he won't get in the White House" one rally seen 8,000 turning up and even if he lost an occasional place in this long walk the general drift is he is going to be out in front of the Republican race.

On the other side all the rubbish from that Clinton mouth about not being part of the establishment and getting flooded with corporate money makes her a hypocrite. Those in the Democrats camp who are championing the would-be great leader suitably ignore the fact that she is no Joan of Arc and that the gaps although she may win the gaps in the votes at present between her and Sanders are very close.

Looking from the outside this process that America has is a long drawn out and groaning procedure and they should just do what other countries do and simply have a damn election without all this hoo-haa. I am sure that many thinking people would have sympathies with that one. On a lesser note and as I pointed out that if Clinton corporate mouth wins it will not make a bit of difference to the large numers of people struggling on salaries that er not going anywhere the legions of un-insured and poor it will just be business as usual.

The puzzling thing for the lookers in across the world cannot understand why someone like Trump can draw in large parts of the population with the stuff he pumps out.  It is one think the opponents groaning at the man but how do you explain to the outside world that there are such large numbers of the citizenry who see him as great? Indeed it is an embarrassment for the thinking in the country but the hard fact that he is so high up amongst so many is disappointing and appalling. It is just unfortunate that the political system is as it is for the vasy mahority of the decent people it is a problem for them.  :-[

Here are your answers old chap: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dear-trump-fan-so-you-want-someone-to-tell-it-like-it-is-ok-here-you-go/ (http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dear-trump-fan-so-you-want-someone-to-tell-it-like-it-is-ok-here-you-go/)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-26, 02:34:56
My dear educated (well Yankee style, oops). The tragedy is that there are very large numbers of people who ARE supporting Trump and it is a head-shaking sigh from the shocked world. How can so many people in a country be so taken on with the man?? As for Clinton she is a waste of space and time and will as I foretell do little to sort the salary marking time the numbers of poor and homeless to the point of being a crying shame. There are far too many people of the trump corner and that is not only a very sad matter but a national disaster.

What is a very telling and refreshing and eyebrow raising thing is the Sanders corner over there where the rightist mindset thinks it is the b-all and end all. That he gets so much young support on radical issues is a surprise to the wider and more wider political experience of the outside world. Knowing the way things go over there it is a matter of an interesting change that some of Clinto's win situation is not massive but narrow. At least he has started something over there and it would be good if that continued and a basis of a challenge to the corporates who run the Democrats and Republicans. You don't really have a "wide democracy" and many people are starting to relaise it more.

Maybe by the time the young mature we might see an improved nation, wider democracy and a better deal for the people who having been brought up to be loyal are wondering where things went wrong. You need a second revolution and by the people this time not the early corporates who created the first one.  Even the would-be historical heroes are a farce. George Washington a man who was a slave owner yakking about principles and that smart alex of a stone statue in DC, Lincoln who was a two-faced liar. All the guff about freedoms, democracy and the negatives about the hard done to Southern States and in private parties saying he didn't want Negroes to have full rights and politician advancement. Hhhm. Shows that having conned the people for so long it is no surprise that full democracy has been tainted. Well done Sanders.  :happy:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-26, 06:27:31
Maybe Sanders will emigrate...! Do you want him? :)

RJ, I do believe you could have become an RT reporter. (They have copy editors who know how to write grammatical English...) Your views are what should be expected, given your "wide" experience!
Again, I ask you: Why do you hate the U.S. so much? What did we ever do to you?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-26, 18:03:44
Here are your answers old chap: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dear-trump-fan-so-you-want-someone-to-tell-it-like-it-is-ok-here-you-go/ (http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dear-trump-fan-so-you-want-someone-to-tell-it-like-it-is-ok-here-you-go/)

I never thought I'd have so much agreement with an article from the Blaze. What he neglected to discuss is how many of Trump's supporters are virulent racists, how is reportedly is the all the rage at Stormfront, how Neo-Nazi groups and KKK members (including a new story about a former Grand Wizard) endorse him. The mainstream media seems to miss that as well. When your man is endorsed by the hate groups, a non-racist should probably take a step back and reflect.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-26, 18:38:48
Why do you hate the U.S. so much?

Such feelings are most likely from a lack of maturity bred from ignorance. Expressed outside civility they pander to a need for primitive emotional justification. And one really has to take a narrow view of precedents to manufacture such precedence. Without any real knowledge for the nature of what they despise attacks are often aimed at superficial traits reflecting the insecurities of the accuser and are apart from any understanding of consequences or causality.

Of course I'm either describing racism or rj howie. There's no way it could describe both... Right?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-26, 20:28:48
Insecurities and hate from moi? Both Oakdale and ensbb3 unfortunately betray the in-depth and unfortunate national emotional kindergarten mindset. You lot boast about everything and even your Presients do about being the greatest country on Earth.That includes both the corporate parties, Democrat and Republican. Yet for all the guff, chest touching and constant flag waving your history of boasting is heavily compromised by the factual on poverty, lack of democracy, interfering in personal privacy and such by a myriad of secret service organisations that show how emotional and shaky you are. At the same time I have never said I hate the people full stop even thought there are millions of juveniles when it comes to politics and would-be leaders of which Trump is the latest. For a country that boasts of so damn much whilst contradicting the would-be principles on rights, blacks, political control by the corporates, red indian persecution, police widespread brutality, war starting, etc and the blatant hypocrisy of even so-called national heroes like Washington and that Lincoln is so obvious. You just cannot face the factual truth and never have either on Opera or here. Instead you try to distract.

Time after time the would-be ex-colonist wonder brains totally ignore the in the face contradictions in your history and of today. The sheer hypocrisy is ignored. And the added silly stuff about RT when one has watched the media and television news over there gradually having been taken over by the corporates who would have got medals from Goebells if he was still alive.  Mind you I can almost understand the attempts by the 2 flag wavers to ignore the hard factual truth that their system is a complete contradiction of the written principles. It is the way that Americans are brought up and brained from youth. Rows of flags outside government buildings, in the classroom and all super nationalist not just patriotic. This would not be so bad if the way the system works is something else. With so many damnable secret service agencies even that shows something about immaturity and blatant control getting away with it.

If I hated the place the way the short minded express here I would not have visited it twice. Ij basic terms that a child could take in I have said that it will not make a damn difference who is in the White House because the vast numbers of static wage people the legions of poor in tens of millions, house losing vast numbers, arrogant police, blacks treated, hundreds of military bases worldwide and so on are ignored is ignored and instead we get the damnable nonsense from these two for example who do the country no good at all.  That large numbers are leaning towards Sanders contradicts the propaganda brained. As for the usual stuff about Russia that is part of the braining and it would be a challenge to get a US President with an 80% ratio. That propaganda is because the US money barons who really run the country do not like anywhere that challenges US imperialism across the world. That they know they cannot beat the Russian President politically or militarily is a frustration hence the diatribes we get against a country that the US/West cannot control. The rest they can destabilise or find an excuse for invasion then in come the corporate string pullers.

There are millions of decent Americans who know they are stuck with the big two parties and the only slight difference in the two is a slight lesser evil approach. So snide all you like, ignore the factual truth the outside world can see and I will feel a sense of companion for the millions who love their country ut think the system stinks. No-one could have thought at one time the Soviet system would collapse or old traditional things like the Sha system in Iran and other seemingly impregnable things. The day that real and wider democracy can squirm out of the 2 corporate houses on the Hill then greater the country will be. All those bases everywhere while so many starve are homeless and rights shrivelled is head shaking. So try and be adults here as in practice you might find that difficult outside the of the house!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-02-27, 00:01:34
Pointing out every stereotypical American thing you can think of as a derogatory remark is racist.

Mostly, if you don't want people to think you are poo - stop stepping in shit. I've no problem with your country. That's easy to see with no evidence to the contrary. You're just lying to save face like the politicians you claim are such a problem.

Nothing you say is more than lazily bigoted commentary. There's no point in responding to you at all really. Well, I enjoy the rants personally. But nothing needs defense against your accusations. You just repeat the same lazy statements regardless. (Psst. you may want to avoid bringing up history. Your country doesn't do so well either.) To you every problem that has existed since the invention of government is an American only problem placing the system on the verge of collapse. So you are the distraction. You also bring up kindergarten a lot... But all you do is point fingers and tattle thinking it makes you look good somehow. So funny. Blind ignorance is what you are not what you're exposing. The US is foreign to you just as the UK is to me. I don't agree with everything in either system. Some I like from both too. When you grow up we can talk about it like adults rather than throwing insults around.    
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-02-27, 00:18:19
You speak too much rjhowie. 721 words in just one post.

Americans are entitled to be the biggest morrones in the planet. Better to be them than you...  :lol:
But you insist in the contrary.

I really don't give a fuck about this American Saga Elections.Who cares in the world about who wins the American elections? only americans.
The winner doesn't make any difference.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-27, 23:48:32
Ah but my favourite Romanist I have NOT been the only one to have stuck in large posts. And I do have to say that I know it will make no damn difference to the average and decent American whether that big mouth corporate, Clinton or the carnival showman wins. The wide poverty, violent police forces too much spent on military and destroying countries they don't like will all continue. All the millions of ex-colonists who are in a poor way will still be suffering in the land of the free and home of the brave (if you have money). Wars against people that country cannot control will continue as will the money spent on more secret agencies than any country in the world.

So I can go along with your feeling on the big-headed US of A but I will refrain from any so-so language as I don't want suspended from my Lodge membership!  :devil:

ps Even thought of a Lisbon trip one to get a ride on the hill trams me being a rail and tram fan!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-28, 05:29:57
I have to say that I know it will make no damn difference to the average and decent American whether that big mouth corporate, Clinton or the carnival showman wins. The wide poverty, violent police forces too much spent on military and destroying countries they don't like will all continue.
Perhaps you can now understand why Ted Cruz is the candidate I'd like to see win...
Nah! Probably not.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-28, 16:29:05
Cruz, the Canadian candidate, said recently, "I'm a Christian first, I'm an American second, I'm a conservative third, and I'm a Republican fourth."

What would Jesus say?

And now a report that Rubio had a mistress. Trump might have started this one.

And The Donald doesn't like him. I'm going to really enjoy the next few weeks. Super Tuesday, where are you?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-28, 17:53:26
Perhaps you can now understand why Ted Cruz is the candidate I'd like to see win...
Nah! Probably not.

Why would he? Cruz wouldn't do anything about those issue Howie mentioned besides make them worse.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-02-29, 00:16:57
Well jimbro it does have a comedy aspect and although those of outside may shake our heads and be bemused or wonder why such a system as I equally foretell little for the millions will see any great change. So on a mutual selfish note maybe we should all just be tickled by the show and enjoy the show.  :happy:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-29, 14:59:59
Trump's Famous Sayings. May they sink the SS Republican Party
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1. "... don't let the brevity of these passages prevent you from savoring the profundity of the advice you are about to receive." ( How to Get Rich, 2004)
2. "I am a really smart guy." (TIME, April 14, 2011)
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3. "I'm intelligent. Some people would say I'm very, very, very intelligent." ( Fortune, April 3, 2000)
4. "I know what sells and I know what people want." ( Playboy, March 1990)
5. "I have a great relationship with the blacks. I've always had a great relationship with the blacks." (Albany's Talk 1300, April 14, 2011)
6. "I just have great respect for them, and you know they like me." (CNN, July 23, 2015)
7. "A well-educated black has a tremendous advantage over a well-educated white in terms of the job market. ... f I were starting off today, I would love to be a well-educated black, because I believe they do have an actual advantage." (NBC News, September 1989)
8. "Our great African American President hasn't exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore!" (Twitter, April 28, 2015)
9. "I have black guys counting my money. ... I hate it. The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day." ( USA Today, May 20, 1991)
10. "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." (Twitter, Nov. 6, 2012)
11. "I know the Chinese. I've made a lot of money with the Chinese. I understand the Chinese mind." (Xinhua, April 2011)
12. "I did very well with Chinese people. Very well. Believe me." (TIME, April 14, 2011)
13. "Who the fuck knows? I mean, really, who knows how much the Japs will pay for Manhattan property these days?" (TIME, January 1989)
14. "The Mexican government forces many bad people into our country. Because they're smart. They're smarter than our leaders." (NBC News, July 8, 2015)
15. "Jeb Bush will not be able to negotiate against Mexico. Jeb Bush with Mexico said, 'People, come in,' they come in, it's an act of love, OK?" (Birch Run, Mich., Aug. 11, 2015)
16. "Jeb Bush has to like the Mexican Illegals because of his wife." (Retweeted and then deleted on Twitter, July 4, 2015)
17. "I'll win the Latino vote because I'll create jobs. I'll create jobs and the Latinos will have jobs they didn't have." (NBC News, July 8, 2015)
18. "I'm leading in the Hispanic vote, and I'm going to win the Hispanic vote. I'm also leading in the regular vote." (Birch Run, Mich., Aug. 11, 2015)
19. "I don't have a racist bone in my body." ("Entertainment Tonight," July 1, 2015)
20. "I cherish women. I want to help women. I'm going to be able to do things for women that no other candidate would be able to do ... " (CNN, Aug. 9, 2015)
21. "I will be so good to women." (CNN, Aug. 10, 2015)
22. "I will be phenomenal to the women. I mean, I want to help women." (CBS' "Face the Nation," Aug. 9, 2015)
23. "Oftentimes when I was sleeping with one of the top women in the world I would say to myself, thinking about me as a boy from Queens, 'Can you believe what I am getting?'" ( Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life, 2008)
24. "I've never had any trouble in bed ..." ( Surviving at the Top, 1990)
25. "I have many women that work for me." (CBS' "Face the Nation," Aug. 9, 2015)
26. "She's not giving me 100 percent. She's giving me 84 percent, and 16 percent is going towards taking care of children." (TIME, May 23, 2011)
27. "All of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me-- consciously or unconsciously. That's to be expected." ( How to Get Rich, 2004)
28. "I have really given a lot of women great opportunity. Unfortunately, after they are a star, the fun is over for me." (ABC's "Primetime Live," March 10, 1994)
29. "When a man leaves a woman, especially when it was perceived that he has left for a piece of ass--a good one!-- there are 50 percent of the population who will love the woman who was left." ( Vanity Fair, September 1990)
30. "You know who's one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody? And I helped create her. Ivanka. My daughter, Ivanka. She's 6 feet tall, she's got the best body. She made a lot money as a model--a tremendous amount." (The Howard Stern Show, 2003)
31. "Every guy in the country wants to go out with my daughter." ( New York magazine, Dec. 13, 2004)
32. "... she does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her." (ABC's "The View," March 6, 2006)
33. "I've known Paris Hilton from the time she's 12. Her parents are friends of mine, and, you know, the first time I saw her, she walked into the room and I said, 'Who the hell is that?' ... Well, at 12, I wasn't interested. I've never been into that. They're sort of always stuck around that 25 category." (The Howard Stern Show, 2003)
34. "There's nothing I love more than women, but they're really a lot different than portrayed. They are far worse than men, far more aggressive ... " ( The Art of the Comeback, 1997)
35. "If Hillary Clinton can't satisfy her husband what makes her think she can satisfy America?" (Twitter, April 16, 2015)
36. Women: "You have to treat 'em like shit." ( New York magazine, Nov. 9, 1992)
37. "What I say is what I say." (Republican presidential debate, Aug. 6, 2015)
38. "One thing I've learned about the press is that they're always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better. ... The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you." ( The Art of the Deal, 1987)
39. "Sometimes they write positively, and sometimes they write negatively. But from a pure business point of view, the benefits of being written about have far outweighed the drawbacks." ( The Art of the Deal, 1987)
40. "Sometimes it pays to be a little wild." ( The Art of the Deal, 1987)
41. "It's always good to do things nice and complicated so that nobody can figure it out." ( New Yorker, May 19, 1997)
42. "If I get my name in the paper, if people pay attention, that's what matters." ( Donald Trump: Master Apprentice, 2005)
43. "The press portrays me as a wild flamethrower. In actuality, I think I'm much different from that. I think I'm totally inaccurately portrayed." ( New Yorker, May 19, 1997)
44. "You know, it really doesn't matter what they write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass." ( Esquire, 1991)
45. "There are two publics as far as I'm concerned. The real public and then there's the New York society horseshit. The real public has always liked Donald Trump. The real public feels that Donald Trump is going through Trump-bashing. When I go out now, forget about it. I'm mobbed. It's bedlam." (Vanity Fair, September 1990)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-29, 17:21:25
You should be his campaign manager, Jaybro! Would you do the same service for Hillary Clinton? (Note, I don't ask about Bernie Sanders -- he's a non-entity, and deservedly so. :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-29, 18:13:36
Would you do the same service for Hillary Clinton?

I'm sure I could. All politicians say stupid things that come back to haunt them.

Right now I'm busy digesting a pastrami, swiss, Roquefort dressing and sauerkraut on rye, so looking for politician's stupid comments could make me ill. Give me a little time.

On second thought, do it yourself!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-29, 20:02:59
I'd like to add this gem to the "discussion."
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-02-29, 21:56:00
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-01, 01:04:21
May they sink the SS Republican Party

Trump is just the natural evolution of the Republican Party. With all their pandering their far-right fringe, someone like him was inevitable. Funny thing is some Democrats are cheering for him to win the nomination because that will ensure a Democratic president and he'll drag down the GOP candidates for the other offices.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-03-01, 01:05:39

Ah but my favourite Romanist.......(rest of the post is rambling Scottish bollocks)

And so it begins; RJHowie's slow but inevitable conversion to Roman Catholicism.   :sherlock:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-01, 03:56:22
And the clown who describes me in that fashion is the mindset that yakked about a long sub,missionby me. Maybe in fairness he might say the same about jimbro's long bit above. Nah he is a fellow ex-colonist so that is okay!

Maybe Oakdale you should ask jimbro what he thinks really of Clinton and instead of assumptions on Sanders too. After all he is the only candidate really concerned about the ordinary folk who deserve through their loyalty a better deal. Well maybe I should re-consider that as one news report commented that so many working class people support Trump! That a country can have someone like Trump is an entertainment from those outside in normality of the land of the free and home of the brave (yawn) however if we look at the show more wisely to show a vast failing. How a civilised country can have someone like him pursuing leadership of the country with his crass and stupidness does the nation no favours at all and only shows the deep flaws in what passses for a political system. I will from time to time watch the carnival that passes for an election and smile that I am glad not over there with so many nutjobs supporting a nut.  Ah, Colonel. Clever of you to get away wioth the embarrassment of the "system."

A numbe rof years ago during my time in the Education Dept of the city I was friendly with a young nun (about 30) who was a teacher in an RC State schol (ridiculous we pay for such). She was a teacher and was planning to move somewhere else to teach. She did look smart in a neat modern gear so on a regular visit to that school (as we chatted from time to time) took her out for a lunch at a nearby posh restaurant. It was very informative and she was not that happy with much including no woman priests and the negatives she relayed to me. At the end she smiled and she said "I have never had a date with anOrangeman before." I bemused said I was the same regarding a nun.

After I had walked her back to the schol one of the 3 janiotors and I had a pssing conversation as the 3 of them were bemused by the luch. As I started to leave I said that I hope the Saturday would see no rain. One of them who had self delusions about his competition to challenge as me what was on that Saturday. Smiling I answered that the largest of the 4 Scottish provincial Battle of the Boyne Orange Pares was on and in Glasgow meaning 182 city lodges and 90 bands. Trying to sardonic he looked at his 2 associates and said "Hope you get soaked." His friends knew he wouldn't get away with it or win. Starting to leave I looked over and replied "Well John we got wet crossing the River Boyne but we still knocked you out!" The others went into a laugh mode and suggested he would never win.

Never winning? Maybe that is the problem over the water in that too many Americans are feeling the system is flawed hence the support fir trump and indeed in a different direction, Sanders. And before the house hermit come on an yaks baloney I am not a Socialist but the ideas Sanders comes away with would help tens of millions of Americans which in itself shows the flaws in the place. We will watch the comedy show but sadly for you lot it is mean to be something positive!

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-01, 04:55:51
And before the house hermit come on an yaks baloney I am not a Socialist but the ideas Sanders comes away with would help tens of millions of Americans which in itself shows the flaws in the place.
You're not a socialist, but you insist on keeping your National Health and your North Sea government-owned oil and your England-provided subsidies...
You're quite wrong about your contention, that the "ideas" of Sanders would help anybody -- beyond Sanders himself and his cronies. And that's part of why I call you a socialist: As your PM Thatcher said a long time ago, the problem with socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other people's money!
Sanders has only one plan: Spend other people's money.
It's not as bad as Hitler's plan to purge Europe of Jews, by gas ovens. But it isn't very much different. He wants to punish someone -- for what life is. His life has been okay; he's an activist! Having never really had to work for a living, he thinks it's either luck (or pull? Yeah, he knows about that1) or malice that allows some people to succeed and others to fail.
He's basically an animist, and Voodoo should be his religion!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-02, 01:21:54
Shows your infinite ignorance but then you don't live in a proper demcoracy of principled system. Every poltcial party here from left, centre, right supports the Welfare State and health service. That includes Conservative Party people. But there again conservative here is more routine than the militiamen attitude of what is conservatism in the ex-colony land.  They can differ on how it is run hut everyone is for it. If you are so great with your rightist corruption how come there are 40 million on food stamps and a million a year losing homes?? Try answering the very obvious contradictions instead of trying to avoid the truth.

What passes for a Presidential Election over there is ponderous often bordering on the immature and childish and a big long drag out. Trump is benefiting from actually a wide range of Republicans if we are honest not just the knuckle-draggers. That shows that a great many of your fellow countrymen  are very, very dis-satisfied with the political system and politicians and why he gets the support he does. On the Democratic side the young are flocking to Sanders too astheir way of being dis-satisfied so try facing up to these issues as there is a great feeling of not being happy with things.

Clinton will win and as I have well indicated she will make no damn difference to the great millions suffering. She IS part of the financial establishment and when I watched a replay of her tv interview a while back on the "success" of Libya and death of Gadaffi it was disgusting. "We came we saw we wio and killed." Not very professional at all.

So in both their quite different ways, Trump and Sanders show their is a deep problem in the country and the way it is run. To say that someone is automatically as socialist due to matters raised is a cover-up re too many failings for millions of decent Americans. And whoever does win the aftermath will be this. The millions of suffering in the States will continue - countries who not bow the knee will be destabilised or invaded the economy wil still drag as the corporates still pull the strings. :yuck:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-02, 03:53:15
[...] you don't live in a proper demcoracy of principled system
Than why do you bother talking so much about it? (I know, I know: It keeps you from having to see the failures and inequities at home.) We -most of us, I hope- don't want to follow in your footsteps. It's true that your left, right and center are all committed to your welfare state... You practice what Bismark preached. But if we go too far down the same road you will have no one to save you, the next time you piss somebody off...
So, would you prefer learning Chinese or Russian? :) Or even Persian? (It won't much matter. You've yet to gain proficiency with English!)

"[...] as the corporates still pull the strings." Who, do you suppose, pulls the strings in your nation? Geppetto? :) (I know: You just want to be a real boy!)

[And why oh why do you refuse to use spell-checking? Surely you know you can't do it yourself?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-03-02, 14:27:44
So it appears the Clown Triumvirate will continue on; the egotistical maniac did well last night, winning Arkansas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, and Virginia. The lipless Canadian Domionist won Texas, Oklahoma, and Alaska. The Establishment's preferred choice, and ardent theocrat, Marco Rubio, won Minnesota. All have vowed to carry on, though all 3 have called for the others in this Clown Triumvirate to drop out. 

Meanwhile, the murdering criminal, Hillary Clinton, won all the states Trump did, but she also added Massachusetts. Comrade Bernie won Vermont, Colorado, Minnesota, and Oklahoma ( :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: at that last one, as OK is one of the most conservative states in the nation).

What a fawking shiteshow this has turned into.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-02, 18:52:06
It looks like Monsieur Trump is on his way to becoming the US's first emperor. A former Mexican president said recently that Mexico is "Not Paying For That F***ing Wall."

Well, Mexico is going to have to deal with Trump's Secretary of State, Sarah Palin.
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I ran across the following recently, "if you type the words "Is Ted Cruz..." into Google, one of the top results at this point is "the Zodiac Killer?"

I tried it and it took 16 entries before it happened. What does it mean? Damned if I know, but it's interesting.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-02, 23:38:58
I hope Trump wins the elections. There's no other leader at the level of the North Korean. Finally a companion for the Beloved Leader.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-03, 02:25:02
It looks like Monsieur Trump is on his way to becoming the US's first emperor.
He's not an emperor. He's Mussolini, the first full-on fascist to have a shot at the presidency.

Thanks, Republicans. Good fucking job, you utter twats. You played to your base's fears so long this was all but inevitable. You told your base that Obama wasn't enforcing immigration law, despite increased deportations under the Obama administration and decreases in both legal and illegal immigration just to try to win elections. Surely you idiots could see how how that would stoke racism and xenophobia, just waiting for someone like Trump to exploit. Of course you didn't, having been mindless reactionary monkeys for this long. Now your front-runner has the support of the Klan and neo-nazi groups. What does that tell you? Knowing you folks, probably nothing at all. Being fucktards, you confuse civility with political correctness and your walnut-sized brains conflate not being politically correct with "the truth" even though your "truth" is just as likely to be racist, sexist, homophobic Neanderthal ignorance. (which doesn't mean everything that's politically correct is truthful and to censor un-PC opinions, Oakdale :rolleyes: ) What the hell is wrong with you GOP folks? You're afraid of immigrants, fear the queer - especially they'll take away your pathetic excuse for "religious liberty". That a Christian baker might have bake a cake for a same-sex wedding and as if any gay wants his wedding to be catered with pizza in the first place, really? :rolleyes:  (never mind that you pissed all over the constitution trying to take away their equal protection under the law and then used it to wipe your flat asses) ; you're afraid of Muslims like the little bitches you are, conflating groups like ISIS with actual Islam and ignoring Christian terror groups such as the Klan. You insist on calling it Islamic Terror, without understand your hillbilly base, whose wife is also his cousin, lacks the brainpower to understand Muslims are the most common victims "Islamic" terror and the long history of Christian Terror (funny how you don't insist on calling a Christian bomber of Planned Parenthood a Christian terrorist. See how you're hypocrites even on the PC issue. Wow, do you guys ever suck. )

End of incoherent, ungrammatical rant for now. The take-away is you brought Trump upon yourselves, upon all of us. Time to check the immigration requirements for Canada in case Trump wins, I guess :( Yes, Oakdale, I can write this more professionally, politely and more coherent, but the fact is I'm choosing not to at this time. Maybe that will came later.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-03, 02:38:59
As a passing unimportant point to the thread I am sick to death of the media here going on and on about the damn long drawn out farce even taking up so much of routine political progs.  Meanwhil.....

Fascist, eh?? How odd and that would mean there are millions of Fascists across America then. Guess the guard at Mussolini's impressive tomb will be celebrating. A bit over the to  put it mildly and only shows that there is a deep fault in the basic system they have in America. Due to the number of candidates popping up on the republican side has in practice only given that no-political entertainer a big push. On the other side Clinton is another smart alec. She may have great knowledge of the system how the White House operates and such but a personality? Nah. All the stuff she waffles on just LIKE Trump about how great the places is and all that nationalistic emotion with rows of the brained whooping and hollering. Both sides are as bad with all that comedy stuff and makes those involved look very immature and childish. Clinton is following in the footsteps of Obama and he was hardly very inspiring. Saying something then wavering unsure. Neither Trump or Clinton will make much of a difference with all the cries of we are great ir as she waffled "we have always been great." Oh yeah? Neither Clinton nor Trump will do much for the middle class who provide the tax money stagnate on salaries and much else. As for those lower in the working class? Forget it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-03, 06:03:29
As a passing unimportant point to the thread I am sick to death of the media here going on and on about the damn long drawn out farce even taking up so much of routine political progs.  Meanwhil.....
Maybe you could try to create a free country of your own? :)

@Sang:
He's not an emperor. He's Mussolini, the first full-on fascist to have a shot at the presidency.
No. We had FDR!
Of course, I don't particularly have a problem with you "ranting"... (I've done it a few times myself, ya know?)

Thanks, Republicans. Good fucking job, you utter twats. You played to your base's fears so long this was all but inevitable.
Can we agree, that common terms of derogation don't necessarily have what meaning a dictionary would give... I don't think you yourself consider women (or girls) necessarily cowardly... And I doubt you're unaware of the role of the Democrats in forging this circumstance.
(I'd suggest -if you want to maintain your PC creds- use "twits" instead of twats. And when you talk about "Republicans" you should know that you're also talking about Democrats... The political class is what it is; but some of us don't like it, and would like to change it. Not you, of course! :)
You're afraid of immigrants [...]
I've mentioned it before, but I'll say it again: When "immigrants" don't assimilate the situation is correctly termed "invasion"... :)
The "gay" thing, I don't understand: Is it illegal to be gay? To "practice" gayness? Aren't there laws that prevent discrimination...?
Oh, but gays want to lead Boy Scout Troupes and "recruit" gay scouts... Are you really okay with this, Sang?

Your understanding of Islam is -- what I'd expect, from a Sociology major.
Perhaps you'll reason better, after your head has been severed. :( I hope that doesn't happen. (Don't emigrate to any Islamic country... They're really nuts!) These people are really nuts, I think I've said. And you can read their books, and note their actions...
conflating groups like ISIS with actual Islam
What is actual Islam? Might it have some basis in the Koran and the Hadith? Or do you prefer the Muslim Brotherhood version, one for Westerners and one for Arabic speakers...
Actual Islam has a long history. You, more than I, should fear them.

Re: Christian "jihad"... But of course five or six victims of nut-cases are the equivalent of hundreds of thousands... Because you consider them -those five or six- to matter more?
They were "only" killing unborn babies...
I don't support or encourage assassination of abortionists. Not do I excuse it.
Your "morality" is obtuse. Would you explain why -for example- only black lives matter? Why gays can make others do for them what they'd not do for others? :) You've bought into the liberal/social justice meme: Pick a group, persecute them; surely, you'll make things better!

@RJ: I'm sorry your telly has been interrupted... :) Maybe your "wide"democracy can give you interesting programming...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-03-03, 19:51:43

It looks like Monsieur Trump is on his way to becoming the US's first emperor.
He's not an emperor. He's Mussolini, the first full-on fascist to have a shot at the presidency.

Thanks, Republicans. Good fucking job, you utter twats. You played to your base's fears so long this was all but inevitable. You told your base that Obama wasn't enforcing immigration law, despite increased deportations under the Obama administration and decreases in both legal and illegal immigration just to try to win elections. Surely you idiots could see how how that would stoke racism and xenophobia, just waiting for someone like Trump to exploit. Of course you didn't, having been mindless reactionary monkeys for this long. Now your front-runner has the support of the Klan and neo-nazi groups. What does that tell you? Knowing you folks, probably nothing at all. Being fucktards, you confuse civility with political correctness and your walnut-sized brains conflate not being politically correct with "the truth" even though your "truth" is just as likely to be racist, sexist, homophobic Neanderthal ignorance. (which doesn't mean everything that's politically correct is truthful and to censor un-PC opinions, Oakdale :rolleyes: ) What the hell is wrong with you GOP folks? You're afraid of immigrants, fear the queer - especially they'll take away your pathetic excuse for "religious liberty". That a Christian baker might have bake a cake for a same-sex wedding and as if any gay wants his wedding to be catered with pizza in the first place, really? :rolleyes:  (never mind that you pissed all over the constitution trying to take away their equal protection under the law and then used it to wipe your flat asses) ; you're afraid of Muslims like the little bitches you are, conflating groups like ISIS with actual Islam and ignoring Christian terror groups such as the Klan. You insist on calling it Islamic Terror, without understand your hillbilly base, whose wife is also his cousin, lacks the brainpower to understand Muslims are the most common victims "Islamic" terror and the long history of Christian Terror (funny how you don't insist on calling a Christian bomber of Planned Parenthood a Christian terrorist. See how you're hypocrites even on the PC issue. Wow, do you guys ever suck. )

End of incoherent, ungrammatical rant for now. The take-away is you brought Trump upon yourselves, upon all of us. Time to check the immigration requirements for Canada in case Trump wins, I guess :( Yes, Oakdale, I can write this more professionally, politely and more coherent, but the fact is I'm choosing not to at this time. Maybe that will came later.

Reddit's r/IWantOut is quite useful for that kind of information.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-05, 02:03:47
Your "morality" is obtuse. Would you explain why -for example- only black lives matter?

The reason you think my morality is obtuse is because you make up most of it. For example, I never made the claim in your question nor supported BLM. We'd communicate much better if you'd stop trying to invent my positions for me. How many times do I have to tell you this?

Oh yeah, and I have no interest in being PC. I was merely pointing out so many of you folks don't know the difference between not following the dictates of PC and just being a dick. Hell, I've people offended in a PC way because because stories I read to my writer's group. But what is PC. It seems that many who claim to deplore PC are just offended as liberals (if not more so) when they're own beliefs are challenged. The Republican base in the past several election cyles demanded ideological purity of the candidates. Is this not a form a PC and censorship of the Right? Both sides political spectrum engage in it. That's why I claim neither side and get to offend both in very conceivable way :yes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-05, 03:50:05
A writer who routinely confuses, misspells and omits words...? Doesn't that make you an incompetent? :)

You do know what any conservative or Republican would hear -from a great number of corners- had he used the phrase "so many of you folks"  would have been. But you don't see why.
(Hm. Modern education: You were taught to vilify those who are -so your professors said- your ideological enemies. And you have the further encouragement, that your deviant sexuality isn't readily accepted by them.
They'd allow it, as a matter of law. But you want them to celebrate it, as a matter of... Hm. How would you finish that? :) )
I appreciate your playing the "postmodernism" word games...
We'd communicate much better if you'd stop trying to invent my positions for me.
You've never stopped doing such to me... Why should I? :)
Oh. Unilateral Disarmament!
Russia was for it, for us. Europe was -sorta- for it, for us -- because they damned well knew the Soviets wouldn't. And a great many liberal Americans were for it... Why?
The Republican base in the past several election cy[c]les demanded ideological purity of the candidates. Is this not a form a PC and censorship of the Right?
You mean adherence to shared principles is despicable? :) Of course you do! :) That's your way of thinking, your way of living.
Note: There was no actual "ideological purity" either demanded or enforced... You're off in LaLa Land again! :)

You offend people because that's what you do, Sang. You don't like them, and you wish you could just make them go away.
How dare anyone disagree with you...? :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-05, 14:24:19
Note: There was no actual "ideological purity" either demanded or enforced... You're off in LaLa Land again!

:lol: :lol: :lol: You pay no attention to your party at all, do you :lol: :lol: You didn't note  that during the teaparty years, the TP turned GOP office holders that weren't pure enough? What would happen to a GOP  candidate that supported equal marriage on constitutional grounds and noted the SCOTUS decision to that affect? Come now. You're too funny. :lol: My sides hurt now :( :lol:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-05, 15:36:33
I read that American (male) presidential candidates now discusses their penis merits. Trump has assured that there's no problem with his.
Americans can sleep soundly again...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-05, 15:50:38
Yup, Rubio noted that Trump's hands were small as a way of saying is other parts are. And yet people don't think the GOP is ridiculous. They're been comparing penis sizes metaphorically for ages, so all that happened is they made it literal.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-03-05, 17:54:19
This person argues that the core of the problem is that this way of voting just isn't natural.

http://tiamat.tsotech.com/solving-the-trump-problem-is-easy
http://tiamat.tsotech.com/more-on-score-voting

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First, I want to think about why we use plurality voting. In my previous blog entry, I argued that approval voting is not only superior but also more natural--it is the system I believe human beings instinctively use when forming a group consensus. To briefly reiterate, when forming a consensus, the natural process is to identify the one selection that is approved of by the most people. Axiomatic to that process is the assumption that each person may and very likely will approve of multiple options.

For lunch, I could go for a burger, pizza, or tacos. You might want tacos, pasta, or a salad. Boom--decision made, and off we go to get some tacos. Another approval voting success story. They happen every day in our lives without even realizing the process has a name.

It is unnatural to constrain each voter to a single vote of approval as plurality voting does. So why is plurality voting widely used? I wasn't able to find an answer in spot searching. So here's my theory:

Approval voting is natural for small groups. However, processing votes from even a few dozen voters can make tallying of approval cumbersome, error-prone, and time-consuming. While it's easy to keep track of 5 peoples' approval votes for a movie or restaurant, a ledger might be needed to keep track of approvals from even a nominally larger group, say 10 people.

Requiring a single vote of approval from each voter also allows for a simple sanity check at the end of tallying: count the votes. Do you have a count of votes equal to the number of people in the group? If so, you probably have a valid tally. Meanwhile, with approval voting, the number of approval votes at the end of tallying votes from N people about M choices could range from 0 to (N x M). A simple count isn't enough to sanity check your tally.

I imagine at the scale of local, state, and federal elections, the complexity burden of manually tallying approval votes would have be too time consuming and too error-prone.

The genesis of plurality voting is therefore a matter of convenience for the people responsible for manually tallying votes (and presumably those who have to double-check or recount the votes).

Of course, computers have been with us for decades now. The persistence of plurality voting in the computer era has to be questioned. Plurality voting is an anachronism from an era of manual vote tallying.


I agree that their proposed alternative would make for a better solution.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-03-05, 20:53:55
Trump may actually break the GOP. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-06, 01:38:51
Oh, good, ensbb3: Then we can be Europe or Venezuela... (Sorry to Bernie fans, we're never going to be Sweden or Denmark.)
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Ted Cruz has a new "old" idea: Mutual Assured Survival (http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2016/03/ted-cruz-proposes-reviving-sdi-to-counter-north-korean-nuclear-threat-00821649.html) via a reinvigoration of Ronald Reagan's "Star Wars" program... Taco Bell's catch phrase is "Live Mas!" Democrat strategy has always been MAD, Mutual Assured Destruction... (And too many Republican administrations, also.)
It always struck me as counter-intuitive, to risk civilization on an arms war... But that's just me. Wiser, smarter minds decided that it was worth the risk: Civilization doesn't matter that much, if your side can't win.
I think we all know by now that the U.S. isn't going to start a nuclear war... But there are a few nations that likely might. (We all know who they are.) Russia and China most likely won't. Perhaps even Pakistan and Israel won't; or India and -- oh, well: You get the idea.

Why should a technologically advanced country not try to neutralize the impact of nuclear weapons?

What does Trump say? Something like -I imagine- "We'll negotiate! I'm the greatest negotiator ever! I can negotiate an Eskimo into buying a refrigerator for his Igloo!"
Nah! He'll say Cruz is a war-monger. Merely fielding defensive weapons has always been -according to the Soviets- an act of aggression.
Their logic was impeccable: If you won't allow us to attack you, you must mean to attack us... :)

The situation now is a little different.
Russia knows that it can't survive a nuclear exchange. It pays for the up-keep of its nuclear arsenal, out of patriotism.
Since neither Russia nor China have an interest in nuclear conflagration, that leaves the "rogue" states: North Korea, Iran, Israel, Pakistan and India.
(I leave the UK, France and Germany out. If for no other reason: They're in the cross-hairs... :( And they're easy, little targets.)

Why should we not develop a Strategic Defense Initiative? Is suicide the only option...? :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-06, 13:08:37
It has been clear for any European observer that this elections represents the end of republicans as a credible political force, even for American standards.

The republican collapse, as a solid and sound alternative to a more social democrat oriented policy defended by the democrats, will not help to change anything regarding to bring the USA into the modern world.

In it's place, proto nazi populism conquers terrain under the astonished eyes of the international comunity and increases a growing and dangerous isolationism of the country. It's not wise to let the Trumps of this world to play with atomic boms.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2016-03-06, 14:21:32
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-06, 20:50:00
Let's see what the NYT says...
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The damage to America's image is already done, even if Trump is never elected. Simply as a blowhard who gains headlines around the world, he reinforces caricatures of the United States and tarnishes our global reputation. He turns America into an object of derision. He is America's Ahmadinejad.

Wish Americans that Trump could be at Ahmadinejad's level...
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There's something heartbreaking about the prospect that America's next commander in chief may be a global joke, a man regarded in most foreign capitals as a buffoon, and a dangerous one.

Indeed...
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A starting point is Trump's remarkable ignorance about international affairs. And every time he tries to reassure, he digs the hole deeper.

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Enough. The rest is here (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/opinion/sunday/donald-the-dangerous.html).
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-03-06, 23:15:10
The GOP has no obligation to nominate Trump despite the reaction from polled voters (thus the break). Romney has been more vocal lately.. Hmmm?

Ted Cruz has a new "old" idea

Your boy Cruz is an idiot.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-07, 01:47:50
Your boy Cruz is an idiot.
His resume says you mean something other than what you say... Care to explain?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-07, 02:05:01
Unfortunately for too many over there the political "system" is not very mature nor equally positive and if either Trump or Clinton was elected it goes beyond head shaking to a groan as neither will help millions of the people nor the world be helped. How did it get to this mess?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-07, 02:11:15
That plan at the least is idiotic. How many hundreds of billions of dollars will that cost when the weapons would miss far more than they would hit? Funny how the Republicans think we don't have money education, infrastructure, etc but we do for lasers in space :rolleyes: North Korea tests atomic bombs for propaganda purposes (and often when that's investigated, the bomb turns out to not be what Kim says it....) It's true that Russia and China are modernizing their militaries, but even more so that they have zero interest in provoking war with the West. So this is just another military industrial complex money pit.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-03-07, 02:25:57
Quote from: rj
How did it get to this mess?

"Conservative ideas"... Mostly? Such a broad term one can say it's whatever really.
Care to explain?

No. He's doing fine on his own.

Anyway the drama is now just getting good here at the halfway point. The next acts should be fun.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-08, 01:38:31
And to add to the mess the word "conservative" has been well done in too.

One of the things I have noticed about the non-corprate man was some of the media attacking Sanders for being a one issue candidate?? This actually contradicts the fact that he has spoken separately on different issues such as education, economics, foreign policy, getting involved in military imperialism and so on. We know that the clown Trump is a corporate and as I pointed out recently that Clinton took $675,000 from JP Morgan alone for speaking. Sanders has taken less than $2,000 so kind of shows who is in a very real and practical way the nearest to the ordinary and sensible people.

That someone lile Trump can do so well in a country is abominable and a head shaker. Clinton has been in her own history, involved in dodgy business practice, downright lies and a two-fac. And on top of of that presently being investigated (!). Makes you really feel for people.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-08, 03:57:00
Unfortunately for too many over there the political "system" is not very mature nor equally positive and if either Trump or Clinton was elected it goes beyond head shaking to a groan as neither will help millions of the people nor the world be helped. How did it get to this mess?
Who's your daddy...? You want government to be a surrogate parent. (Maybe you should try being one, yourself, before you appoint others to the job!)

The real point of this election is whether we, the U.S., wants to go further down the "European" road.
I'd rather not. We're already doing our damnedest to "educate" our children to the level of a Howie...

Let Europe go, I say. They've the wealth needed to defend themselves; let them. Or not. Their choice...

Where -in our constitution- does it say that we have to protect the rest of the world?
If they won't protect themselves, what do they deserve...? :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-03-08, 05:11:41
I pointed out recently that Clinton took $675,000 from JP Morgan alone for speaking. Sanders has taken less than $2,000 so kind of shows who is in a very real and practical way the nearest to the ordinary and sensible people.


Indeed you have. I've actually lost count how many times at this point.

The money you seem to mention is PAC funds - Regulated, registered must this and that blah blah. I'm no expert but if you wanna know you can find out what it was spent on.. A means towards regulation anyway... Then there's super PACs - Unlimited, farce of a omg how is this a thing. Still a matter of record.

Bernie, however, isn't playing that game while raising the most money - into his personal accounts.

It's whatever on that point of yours. I do love your enthusiasm, tho.

 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-03-08, 22:00:56
It will be interesting to see how this state (MS) votes today.

/Trump, the obnoxious jackas* who is the antithesis of what so many in this state profess to be ("good, God-fearing Christians")

/Cruz, the Canadian who thumps the Bible at every given opportunity


Cruz seems the logical choice for Repubs in this state but I am guessing that somehow, Trump will win the state.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ensbb3 on 2016-03-08, 23:51:02
Cruz seems the logical choice for Repubs in this state but I am guessing that somehow, Trump will win the state.

I know this exact feeling. Wait until someone you previously respected calls/txt you with the 'good' news. :faint:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-09, 02:07:22
Things have really got quite sad over the whole process which is a deep pity.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-09, 03:12:59
Cruz seems the logical choice for Repubs in this state but I am guessing that somehow, Trump will win the state.

Yeah, but when has logic had anything to do with the GOP primaries? Trump voters are "angry." Misdirected and unfocused anger makes people do stupid things.

As far as Cruz goes  Barry Goldwater  (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/13/barry-goldwaters-war-against-the-religious-right/) warned about the religious right taking over the GOP as well.

Quote from: Barry Goldwater, aka "Mr. Conservative"
"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."


Cruz is a  Dominionist and needs to be stopped as well.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-03-09, 17:39:56

Where -in our constitution- does it say that we have to protect the rest of the world?

Yeah, US military bases around the globe safeguarding humanity.
Wonder if you really believe this shit.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-03-09, 19:27:19

Cruz seems the logical choice for Repubs in this state but I am guessing that somehow, Trump will win the state.

Yeah, but when has logic had anything to do with the GOP primaries? Trump voters are "angry." Misdirected and unfocused anger makes people do stupid things.

As far as Cruz goes  Barry Goldwater  (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/13/barry-goldwaters-war-against-the-religious-right/) warned about the religious right taking over the GOP as well.

Quote from: Barry Goldwater, aka "Mr. Conservative"
"On religious issues there can be little or no compromise. There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God's name on one's behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both.

I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in "A," "B," "C" and "D." Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me?

And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of "conservatism."


Cruz is a  Dominionist and needs to be stopped as well.

@ensbb: Had 4 texts of that nature.

@Sang: True enough. Logic is for heathens.
Good news is that Cruz is done for; bad news is Drumpf has locked the shite up.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-09, 20:11:16

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ef0Gye4dfEMlq/giphy.gif)

I'm preparing myself for that in case The Donald wins.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-10, 05:19:49
None of the Republican lot are impressive and the leading Democrat is a liar, smart alex and very much part of the corporate establishment.  The whole thing is one big embarrassment and must make thinking people sad that it has come to what is now in process. How in earth have things got this bad?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-10, 23:12:33
As it's been showed to the world, the US vegetates between rats and intelectual nulities.
It's a good thing that will allow states with decent people to declare independence.
Secession is the only way to go.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-11, 01:37:06
As it's been showed to the [ignorant of] world, the US vegetates between rats and intellectual nulities.
It's odd, you know: You sound very much like Donald Trump... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-12, 14:35:13
And with vast American numbers showing support for the idiotic Trump who makes your country look a shameful laugh how do you explain that one OakdaleFTL?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-12, 15:22:42

And with vast American numbers showing support for the idiotic Trump who makes your country look a shameful laugh how do you explain that one OakdaleFTL?

Absurd. Does Scotland "look a shameful laugh" because of Sturgeon and Salmond?
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-13, 06:28:35
And with vast American numbers showing support for the idiotic Trump who makes your country look a shameful laugh how do you explain that one OakdaleFTL?
As I've said before, we're becoming "European-ized"...
I wish it weren't so. But ignoring reality is not a good way to preclude it.
Only plain and clear language -if it makes the point- can help.

Cruz has the ability to use plain and clear language to make that point. (There: I've endorsed Ted Cruz!) If others have different objectives, I'm not surprised!
Some want us to be Sweden, some want us to be Denmark. Some want us to be North Korea or what we used to call "Red" China... Some want us to be Zimbabwe. (You'll figure it out...!) What is clear is that there's only one candidate who wants to -and will- remain faithful to the constitution, who might be elected...
And he wants us to be America.

(I am truly dismayed, that so many of my countrymen would rather we be something else...)

I'm sure many of you thought that Ronald Reagan had no chance to gain the nomination, or win the general election... (Heck, I think many of you feel betrayed by reality...!) But he won. And won again!
And the USSR collapsed... (Was that a bad thing...?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-13, 11:42:32
As I've said before, we're becoming "European-ized"...

I doubt very much you ever will.

As for the recent news about Trump's rallies to degenerate into violent confrontations, with the candidate apparently fomenting it, it seems to be one more step into the decaying level Trump brought to American politics.

Another interpretation would be that we're assisting to a campaign aimed to discredit the candidate and associate him with public disorder and violence. If so, such would be not needed, Trump does the job by himself.

How the Republican side keeps admitting Trump to destroy any credibility the party can eventually still have it's a mystery indeed.
Does the man have any political ideas? does he have even the minimum of decency and good manners to appear in public?
Lock him in a mental health facility before it's too late.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-13, 14:44:05
No it is not absurd and that comment on me by an intelligent man?!

The country constantly claims to be the greatest in the world, champion of everything to do with rights and all that stuff (Presidents do the same on the media) yet at the same time makes a mockery by the internal and external actions. Thinking one can be intelligent and then just dismiss what is in the face as a big contradiction does not help.  That someone like Trump as bluntly ludicrous and so obviously vain as well as being a clown could be President is a disaster and make the country a world laughing stock. On the other side we have Clinton who has been a liar, cheat and very corporate inclined as an alternative?? I don't create the farce and embarrass that is self-created over there and at least you have a man like Sanders who is in a better leagues of his own.

Other places of a democratic tradition would not have such pathetic similar situations and although you might be miffed on Trump (Clinton no advantage) trying to ignore what your own country produces being supported by legions is of no importance? Tut, tut, boy. Do 50 lines on the system failure! :P
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-15, 03:06:09
As for the recent news about Trump's rallies to degenerate into violent confrontations, with the candidate apparently fomenting it, it seems to be one more step into the decaying level Trump brought to American politics.

At least Trump only has a plurality and not a majority. What's happening at Trump rallies is more representative of what's become of the Republican party of election cycle after election cycle of appealing to the lowest common denominator and playing to their base's fears and prejudices. The party of Lincoln, which not only freed the slaves but modernized the country in general with industrialization, railroads, etc is long dead. Lincoln himself is turning over in his grave as his party turns into its equally useless predecessor, the Whigs.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-15, 08:56:52
Quote
My previous view of Trump was as a kind of vaccine. The Republican Party relies on the covert mobilization of racial resentment and nationalism. Trump, as I saw it, was bringing into the open that which had been intentionally submerged. It seemed like a containable dose of disease, too small to take over its host, but large enough to set off a counter-reaction of healthy blood cells. But the outbreak of violence this weekend suggests the disease may be spreading far wider than I believed, and infecting healthy elements of the body politic.
I remain convinced that Trump cannot win the presidency. But what I failed to account for was the possibility that his authoritarian style could degrade American politics even in defeat. There is a whiff in the air of the notion that the election will be settled in the streets -- a poisonous idea that is unsafe in even the smallest doses.
(source (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/trump-poses-unprecedented-threat-to-democracy.html?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt03142016&utm_term=Jolt))
This is quintessential Democrat Party thinking... The Oops! factor is built-in; they can't help themselves! :)
[...] What's happening at Trump rallies is more representative of what's become of the Republican party of election cycle after election cycle of appealing to the lowest common denominator and playing to their base's fears and prejudices.[...]
So, MoveOn.Org, BlackLivesMatter, and Bernie Sanders "Sandernistas" had no part...? Who, then, disrupted the venue...? Reaganites? :)
Who are the lawless groups, Sang? The folk who wanted to hear The Donald speak, or the folk who resorted to violence to prevent him from doing so...?

I'm probably as appalled as you are, at Trump's popularity -- and chances to become the Republican nominee... (More so, I think. But I won't bother to explain why, to the likes of you.) We do all reap what we sow.

You're stuck with Clinton or Sanders... How's that make you feel? (Schadenfreude is the term that comes to mind! :) I do sort-of enjoy it!) What I don't understand, is why you won't support a principled constitutionalist like Ted Cruz...
Sure: His dad is a nut-case Christian. He himself proclaims to be a Christian. But -- he's a constitutionalist! And, on the basis of a long history, a man of his word. As president, he would uphold the constitution, I think.
Do you think otherwise? (Or do you fear that he would...? :( )

What do you think should be the direction, for our country?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-15, 09:54:47
or the folk who resorted to violence to prevent him from doing so...?

Or the Trump supporters who resorted to violence at other rallies, or Trump himself who promised to pay the legal fees of supporters who resorted to violence? I said a long time ago that the Tea Party would "small government" us straight into a dictatorship and now we're staring down having a full on fascist (not an epithet but a statement of fact) becoming president. How many of his supporters are the same ones that were at TP rallies? I saw this coming years ago; the only thing I didn't know was the name of the man who would transition us to that form of government.
He himself proclaims to be a Christian. But -- he's a constitutionalist

I question this on the issue of separation of church and state. Some Republicans claim this doesn't even exist. I'll need to be shown his not among their number. In recent years; we've had "constitutionalists" show they pick and choose what parts of constitution they like; just as we've had Republican "libertarians" trying to protect and even expand the rule of government. So experience tells me to disbelieve a Republican when he claims to be either of those by default until he shows otherwise. 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-15, 16:44:49
What do you think should be the direction, for our country?

Truly smaller government, unlike what the GOP hypocrites. Less surveillance, reduction in military spending. History tells us that having bases all over the world and spending this much on military is an unsustainable economic burden that makes enemies.

Actual constitutionalism - none of this "we believe in the constitution until it offends our 'sincerely held beliefs' (even as we ignore the rest the of the Bible) " crap faux constitutionalists offer. This means more than simply equal marriage. It tells me the GOPers are only willing to uphold the constitution up to the point where it becomes inconvenient. How else do they plan on breaking the highest law of this land?     
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-15, 18:37:59
Spot on.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-15, 19:14:36
You're on solid intellectual ground, there, Sang: Howie agrees with you! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-16, 05:06:27
It should be Trump and Cruz... But Kaisitch wants to be another Perot, a third candidate who gives the Democrats the majority. Does he think that will endear him to fellow Republicans?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-16, 05:18:29
The GOP is on intellectual quicksand. That's the case not only with producing candidates like Trump, but along the lines of the "full me once..." saying. Pretty much every single time they expand the military industrial complex, which the last decent Republican; Eisenhower warned us about along with the deficit. Cut taxes for the rich (again) and increase the military and the deficit balloons. Who would have thought it besides those that can add and subtract? Oh yeah, the military is a huge part of the government.

They promise to reduce entitlements. The payments to individuals is not going to decrease, due to the aging baby boomer population needing healthcare, etc. That leaves reducing overhead and administrative costs as the only means to control costs. Where are the Republican ideas for doing this? *crickets*

That's just the bringing. As I said, quicksand. All they have left is being "angry." Tell me, are people at their most rational when they're angry and lack a constructive way to channel their feelings?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-16, 06:11:15
I've finally figured it out, Sang: You're a Howie clone... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-16, 07:38:23
I see you're unable to address any of my criticisms of the GOP.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-16, 07:55:17
You don't have criticisms of the GOP, Sang... You have tics and twitches!
You know nothing about conservatism, and admit to nothing that you can't help but know about progressivism  or liberalism or Democratic Party "codes" of any other stripe!
But you want what you want! (That's your political philosophy...)

You have criticisms of the GOP? Well, boy-o, I do too!
Yours amount to: They're not liberal Democrats...! Mine are a little more nuanced.

So: Who are you going to vote for, Bernie or Hillary? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-16, 09:47:42
No,  I notice what actually happens when they come to power. This is every single time. Put them in Congress and they act like kindergartners, shutting down the government and lowering the country's credit rating if they don't get what they want. These children need to go to reform school. BTW, I probably know more about conservatism than you, having come from a true conservative family and having lived in conservative parts of the country. The brand of conservatism that taken over the GOP isn't small government at all. It's descended from the old "dixiecrats" that defected to the Republican party as result of civil rights granted to African Americans. Having lived in their heartland, I can tell you that those folks are socially conservative but are big government authoritarian, despite claims otherwise. To them, freedom means the right to discriminate and screw everybody else's constitutional rights.

You might read American Thinker and similar sites that gush about small government, but that's not what happens when they get elected and that authoritarian streak takes over. You lived in Massachusetts and California, but I lived in deep Red country, so perhaps you haven't seen what happens when the new "dixiecrats" with an R by their name take over a state, but I have.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-16, 22:14:23
I've also lived in Texas and Colorado... And traveled through a great many other states.

So, have you not decided who you'd vote for yet?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-17, 15:51:12
Colorado isn't right-wing anymore. I lived there for a while. Texas, it depends on where you're at. The point it the mind bogles when people think they're voting for a "libertarian" or even a small government person in these candidates. Even their stated polices indicate otherwise. Deport all illegal immigrants. Granted they shouldn't be here in the first place, what what kind of intelligence and surveillance apparatus would need to constructed to track down 11 million people and how long before it turns on legal citizens? In what way is this small government? Then, of course, we need to expand the NSA even as the Republican lead government becomes far more of threat to freedom than al Qaeda and ISIL ever was. Oh that's right. Republicans bring "freedom" because they promise to allow discrimination against queers :rolleyes:

I probably won't be voting for anybody, but against fascist Trump or dominionist Cruz.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-18, 02:41:52
Colorado isn't right-wing anymore.
I suppose you can be excused from knowing much about the '70s...

So: You'd rather have an avowed socialist or a master practitioner of kleptocracy than Cruz, because you fear him being a Christian?
He's a constitutionalist -- something I'd expect you to have little understanding of!

(By the way: If you think "allowing" a "Christian" baker to refuse to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding is discrimination, you're one of the most intolerant people I've ever talked to... :) )
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-18, 12:39:33
It is to a degree fairly obvious that there are large numbers of people fed up with the Beltway mindset. Mind you there is always an issue in any capital of course just a bit more in tr
the stablishment and corporate influence. Trump gets somewhere due to that I dare say but the stuff we get is that because he is not a regular politician that is why he is doing so well. Well maybe top a degree but it is however not a very good thing at all the way he acts and all those large groups of people acting like children at rallies. Very immature. Mind you it is the same on the Democrat side and neither Trump nor Clinton are very great. Clinton miight well have political experience but she is a waste of time. Lies, intrigue and all that style she puts on pointing to people and putting on smiles, etc.

Clinton will no doubt win and the global imperialism will continue the keeping up of confrontation with Russia, the tens of millions of people in the country in poverty and so on. When Obama won for the Democrats we were to expect big changes but didn't. He was sometimes unsure the economy didn't progress, the wrong base was still in Cuba, sent out more drones than Bush and killed more too, etc, etc. Many in all honesty do want to see change but will not get it with either Clinton or Trump and what they will get is the usual routine. Sanders was a unique change and maybe in the future a younger man may take up the mantle for a new direction becaue I feel for Americans who love their country and that they are not getting an answer and at this election will see that negative continue.

Damn shame.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: johnogaziechi on 2016-03-18, 13:04:00

As I've said before, we're becoming "European-ized"...

I doubt very much you ever will.

As for the recent news about Trump's rallies to degenerate into violent confrontations, with the candidate apparently fomenting it, it seems to be one more step into the decaying level Trump brought to American politics.

Another interpretation would be that we're assisting to a campaign aimed to discredit the candidate and associate him with public disorder and violence. If so, such would be not needed, Trump does the job by himself.

How the Republican side keeps admitting Trump to destroy any credibility the party can eventually still have it's a mystery indeed.
Does the man have any political ideas? does he have even the minimum of decency and good manners to appear in public?
Lock him in a mental health facility before it's too late.

:cheers: I'd drink to that last sentence....
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: johnogaziechi on 2016-03-18, 13:23:09

Many in all honesty do want to see change but will not get it with either Clinton or Trump and what they will get is the usual routine.

with Clinton maybe but not with Trump...if he wins, which is a strange thought to entertain, he surely would change America...maybe send the country 50 years back.
Title: 50 years back?
Post by: Barulheira on 2016-03-18, 17:50:39
:sst: Please, anybody send my country 50 years back!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-19, 00:54:52
I suppose you can be excused from knowing much about the '70s...

So: You'd rather have an avowed socialist or a master practitioner of kleptocracy than Cruz, because you fear him being a Christian?
He's a constitutionalist -- something I'd expect you to have little understanding of!

Still unable to answer that the GOP at best has an incoherent message and has rendered itself incapable of being a party of small government, I see. Perhaps this another factor that paved the way for the rise of Trump. Further, I see you've yet to check Cruz's particular branch of Christianity, Seven Mountain Dominionism, to see that it's incompatible with the constitutionalism and is rather scary stuff with a goal of imposing laws based on the sect's heretical teachings on everyone else. Some have gone so far as to call it a cult.

I know Clinton and Sanders are not small government either. At least they don't lie about that.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-19, 01:01:58
with Clinton maybe but not with Trump...if he wins, which is a strange thought to entertain, he surely would change America...maybe send the country 50 years back.

You are correct, sir. Hillary will be more the same. Trump will be far worse. At one point, Trump said he'll change his rhetoric for the general election, but he doesn't realize that he's gone past the point of no return.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-19, 01:56:54
Sang, Trump never appealed to you, nor could; nor to me, either. But he stands a good chance of gaining the nomination... Which, unfortunately, will likely "elect" Clinton.
(Without Ross Perot, we wouldn't have had Bill... :) But you knew that, right?)

The Republican Party has an incoherent "message"? And can't be the party of small government? (Compared to what?)
I'll grant, that the Democrat Party has a coherent message: Let's all be good little socialists! Later, we'll see where we can go... :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-19, 09:01:44
The next presidential election in Russia will take place on or before March 2018.
Anybody want to predict the outcome?


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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-19, 11:23:45

:sst: Please, anybody send my country 50 years back!

Immigrate Barulheira, there's no hope for "Order and Progress" when governed by thieves. Thieves in the Government, robbers in the opposition - the delight of democracy...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-03-19, 11:52:17

The next presidential election in Russia will take place on or before March 2018.
Anybody want to predict the outcome?

One thing is for sure. It won't be neither Billary nor the Donald. :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-19, 16:58:59
Cold War style answer jimbro but then you were brought up in that stuff! With the system that exists in the ex-colonies it only parodies the problem you lot have sniding at someone else.  :hat:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2016-03-20, 09:17:47

:cheers: I'd drink to that last sentence....

And to long time, no see :cheers:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-20, 15:42:12
News on a smaller race. Sharon Angle is trying to take Harry Reid's spot in the US Senate. She already proved that either she's retarded or thinks the voters are in her last two attempts by blaming the decrease in Nevada home values in 2010 on Reid and claiming Frankford, Texas (a town that hasn't existed since circa 1975) is under Sharia Law and not the constitution. See, Oakdale, I tend to vote Democratic because not because they're supposedly liberal but because Republicans are either stupid or think the rest of us are. Those were among her more intelligent statements.

And she seems to support Trump for president and would like a Trump/Cruz ticket.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: johnogaziechi on 2016-03-20, 16:57:12


:cheers: I'd drink to that last sentence....

And to long time, no see :cheers:
yeah! Been a while jax...d&d seems a bit less diverse as it used to be...are there any active african here?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-03-20, 17:05:53
Dunno, are you active? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-20, 17:50:35
are there any active african here?

One that I know of.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-20, 21:07:25
Makes him highly individual.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: johnogaziechi on 2016-03-20, 23:50:14

are there any active african here?

One that I know of.
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I meant others apart from me!!! Jezzz!! Did u have go all the way Jim?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: johnogaziechi on 2016-03-20, 23:57:53

Dunno, are you active? :)
dunno, my newbee tag doesn't suggest much 'activity'  :doh:..
However, for sake of clarification lemme rephrase...  Any African in the house who isn't johnogaziechi.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Barulheira on 2016-03-21, 11:58:33
Obama counts?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-21, 12:02:41
Did u have go all the way Jim?

That's what I do, John!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-03-21, 12:03:21
Obama counts?

On his fingers.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-03-23, 02:43:50
So much truth, in such a small package!

Joe Dan's got it   'balls on dead center'   with this one!  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.smiliesuche.de%2Fsmileys%2Fgrinsende%2Fgrinsende-smilies-0189.gif&hash=261645026b0808e4a82036d7c8f9c3fe" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.smiliesuche.de/smileys/grinsende/grinsende-smilies-0189.gif)


  


(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/biglaugh023.gif)     ......... it seems the more they try to pile on Trump, the stronger he gets?!     (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/reading.gif)

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-23, 03:20:29
Again, though, when people are pissed (ie, "outraged) do they make the best choices?


......... it seems the more they try to pile on Trump, the stronger he gets?!

You don't understand. Hard core Democrats WANT Trump to be the GOP nominee.  Real Clear Politics  (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html)polls show Trump being crushed by Clinton. If you notice, he's not getting stronger, at least in the general election, with the newer polls showing him falling further behind her. By election day, we're looking at a landslide. The only question will be how dark of an aura will he cast on the Republican candidates for other offices.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-03-24, 16:45:36

dunno, my newbee tag doesn't suggest much 'activity'  :doh:..
However, for sake of clarification lemme rephrase...  Any African in the house who isn't johnogaziechi.

I'm not sure really. None of the regulars I don't think. Oh yeah, and we're just pulling your finger. ;)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-24, 19:19:45
It is one thing a man who is not a routine politician in principle getting involved but Trump is ignorant, embarrassing and makes the system look even worse than it practically is.  What an example and portrayal that gives to the world. Clinton will win and although steeped in politics has been a liar, cheat and such. I will tell you this that her election will mean damn all to the millions of poor, homeless of downtrodden inside the country and continue to be sticking the nosei n everywhere else ion the world. A more deep rooted change is needed but the might of the financial controllers makes that a dream - sadly.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-25, 04:20:16
It is one thing a man who is not a routine politician in principle getting involved but Trump is ignorant, embarrassing and makes the system look even worse than it practically is.
Sort-of like RJHowie running -twice! Huh?
Still, that was only for local office -- something that I applaud! But, sir, you were rejected twice by your neighbors... Did you ever ask them why? :) No. Of course, not.

But of course you mean -when talking about Trump- that he might actually win! Well, it's a remote possibility... I'd hope not, too. But my reasons are different from yours:
I don't want to see my country follow the same path as yours.
So, if the Democrat candidate is H.R. Clinton -- I'd vote for Trump! Better an idiot than a rabble-rousing socialist crypto-capitalist like Clinton. Kleptocracy is not what I'd vote for...

Of course, most Dems are assuming -that if Trump wins- both the Senate and the House fall back under Dem control... Because Democrats assume voters are stupid! Perhaps they are. Still, the Democratic "operatives" are stupider... They will do what they do; they know no other way.
What happens, if neither the Senate or the House changes hands!?
Good for the country, I'd say. Should Trump become president, we'd really need a Republican House and Senate -- to constrain his "proclivities"... :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-25, 14:12:50
socialist crypto-capitalist like Clinton. Kleptocracy is not what I'd vote for...

Well... the only way of making sense together in a phrase the words socialist, crypto-capitalist and kleptocracy it's by calling the lady a sort of industrial Robin Hood... strange politics the American ones.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-25, 14:49:04
Good for the country, I'd say. Should Trump become president, we'd really need a Republican House and Senate -- to constrain his "proclivities"...

Wow is that ever deluded. If Trump wins and a Republican Congress will be kissing his fascist ass.  If Congress does remain in Republican hands, I'm thinking there is one hope, depending on his fraud charges play out. We need to find out if a president can be impeached for crimes committed before entering office.

Article 2, section 4 of the constitution says:

Quote
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors
You'll note it doesn't specify when the crimes have to committed :left: The failure of the plan is that a party afraid of Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, some red guy with horn, gays, etc doesn't have the balls since they're afraid of everything.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: ersi on 2016-03-25, 15:05:05
Christie says no more 'blank checks' for nearly bankrupt Atlantic City (http://nypost.com/2016/03/24/christie-says-no-more-blank-checks-for-nearly-bankrupt-atlantic-city/)

Atlantic City is a stronghold of Trump's business, where he (Trump) regularly and safely goes bankrupt. If now the city goes bankrupt, it will destroy Trump's reputation and he will not become the president. Of course, he has no reputation to begin with, so the fact that he got as far as he got in the presidential race is not a sign of health of U.S. politics.

As always, the question in U.S. presidential elections is not who is the best, but who is the least insane.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-26, 06:37:31
What an odd parallel Oakdale saying that you do not want to see your country going the same way as mine??

We have a far wider parliament and also a good selection of parties to put into it whereas you have 2 giant ones controlled by the Wall Street mindset. Trump has got where he has because so many people are fed up with the system you have but the downside is that the election is making your nation a bit of a world laughing stock I am afraid. Someone like Trump would get nowhere here and if he ends up the candidate for one party I have to tell you that such a step would be a disgrace. Your system is far too limited with the big two and the unlimited money and the "people" are being fooled.

I still think that the con merchant, Clinton will win and she will make little difference to the economy, military games and controlling the increasing deficit. The poor will see no change either and if you were not a citizen of the place you would be shocked and gob-smacked at the behaviour of Trump and how ludicrous he makes the country look. It is not democracy it is bordering on political farce and the people deserve much better. A clown and a woman con merchant so how sad is that?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-26, 08:24:55
We have a far wider parliament and also a good selection of parties to put into it [...]
And that's a virtue? :) Tell me again how you feel about Salmond (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Salmond)!
A barrel full of monkeys kind of fun, i'n'it? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-03-26, 14:50:01
Don't you understand yet? Only America has screwballs, and Scotland certainly doesn't :left:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-27, 19:33:30
It IS a far wider parliamentary system and it includes a far wider aspect of represntation than your Wall Street controlled mechanism. So don't try to avoid the truth . Outside of two controlled parties you don't have a damn proper system hence the embarrassment of Trump and the two-faced Clinton you lot are stuck with. Face the truth boy. :P
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-28, 12:18:26
 Winds of revolution blows from Alaska and Hawai... :lol:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-03-28, 15:58:16
Didn't Bernie win Washington state too? :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Belfrager on 2016-03-28, 17:04:40
Yes he did but I was kepting it secret to use later... kind of an unstopable wave...  :lol:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-03-28, 23:51:24
 :yes:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-04-01, 10:33:36
Yes he did but I was kepting it secret to use later... kind of an unstopable wave...

Maybe he should be referred to as Tsunami Sanders.

Compare him to Wrestlemania Trump and you have what makes America great.
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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-03, 00:43:42
As I said earlier on this election it is a wide unsatisfactory attitude with the system that has brought Trump and sanders to the public eye. It would not be so bad of a non-politician running but Trump is an utter nutcase and he is an embarrassment for the country to the world. Sanders however is doing well because he is more genuine and is touching the deep despair people have for what is a political machine. How can a modern and advanced nation have someone like him in the front line?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-03, 01:21:45
Sanders however is doing well because he is more genuine and is touching the deep despair people have for what is a political machine.
You do know, RJ, that Sanders has worked for government and held elective office for 35 years?! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-04, 07:55:12
What a negative answer that one is for goodness sake. At the same time there have been scores holding office for years who are in the control of the money barons so you prove nothing. He is outside of the limited thing that is meant to be a wide democracy but isn't.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-06, 22:29:03
It's ironic to me that the most hated man in the US Senate (also a foreigner who is lipless) is who is now preferred as the next (R) candidate for the presidency.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-07, 00:06:35
Come on laddie -don't be a big feartie.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-07, 01:00:33
It's ironic to me that the most hated man in the US Senate (also a foreigner who is lipless) is who is now preferred as the next (R) candidate for the presidency.
You've done well, Grasshopper! You've learned to parrot your professors -- without ever giving a thought to anything yourself...
You'll probably vote for Trump.

(BTW: You don't know what the term "ironic" means... :) )

Would you accept, explain or reject The Donald's campaign statement following his loss in Wisconsin?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-07, 01:34:58

It's ironic to me that the most hated man in the US Senate (also a foreigner who is lipless) is who is now preferred as the next (R) candidate for the presidency.
You've done well, Grasshopper! You've learned to parrot your professors -- without ever giving a thought to anything yourself...
You'll probably vote for Trump.

(BTW: You don't know what the term "ironic" means... :) )

Would you accept, explain or reject The Donald's campaign statement following his loss in Wisconsin?

Wrong on all counts, and I will probably vote 3rd party once again. #NeverTrump  #NeverCruz  #NeverHillary
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-07, 06:50:44
Hallelujah. A good political assessment going third party. 
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-07, 06:55:37
Being "besides the point" is sort-of a Howie kind-a thing, i'n't? :) "Wider democracy," and all that rot.

(You weren't old enough to vote for Wallace, were you? Or Perot?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-07, 18:14:28

Being "besides the point" is sort-of a Howie kind-a thing, i'n't? :) "Wider democracy," and all that rot.

(You weren't old enough to vote for Wallace, were you? Or Perot?)

Nope. 2008 was the first time I was old enough to vote in the Presidential elections. Registered to vote in 2006.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-07, 23:14:53
I will probably vote 3rd party once again. #NeverTrump  #NeverCruz  #NeverHillary
As in #NeverMatters... :) Just another bloc to be used to the advantage of the Democrats or Republicans.
It's much the same in GB, but the "unwashed" never seem to catch on! :)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-07, 23:48:54
It's much the same in GB, but the "unwashed" never seem to catch on!

But you forget, the UK has "wider Democracy" and it isn't like every Prime Minister isn't since 1858 has been Labour or Conserve. Oh wait,  they actually have been  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom).

Mississippi will automatically go to the Republicans anyway. Nevada is actually a competitive state. Those southern states would vote for a clone of Hitler himself (with the same ideology) as long as he had an R by his name.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-08, 01:06:09
Typical limited knowledge there and totally ignoring that our parliament has not just two corporate parties like the restricted ex-colonies.

Nationally in the Commons are Conservative, Labour, Liberal democrat and now the UKIP (which won the Euro Elections here). Then regional parties in Scotland, Wales, Ulster and all have MP's. In addition the standing committees of parliament have all of these parties represented on them. The government before the present one was a coalition of 2 main parties so we are of a wider democracy. You lot are stuck with the big 2 machines and no-ine else can get a look in. No political democracy comparison and that is why people over the pond are so frustrated that Trump a global laughing stock gets where he does.

It wouldn't be so bad if you had something to go on but you don't. For the tens of millions in the US it doesn't matter a damn whether Trump or Clinton gets the White House it will still be a restricted system.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-08, 01:47:51
I'm  looking at a list of British MPs  (http://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/\) even know. While I do see some smaller parties (SNP, Democratic Unionist Party, ) I do see mostly Labour and Conservative. Now if you look at the  US Senate by party division  (http://www.senate.gov/history/partydiv.htm) You'll note that it's not necessarily all Democrats and Republicans. True, they do dominate, just like Labour and Conservative in the UK. However, we have two independents even now and we've had smaller parties represented in the past. So while my knowledge of UK politics is indeed limited, so is your's of American politics.

What's your plan now? To blather on about "wider democracy" , whatever that's even supposed to mean. More range of opinions? If that's the case, you should know that two Republicans or Democrats don't necessarily agree and vote on opposite sides of issues. Even bigger shock for you, a Democrat and Republican might even vote on the side of a bill, but for different reasons (or even the same reason! :yikes: ) , and it happens frequently. I guess I'll need to wait for you to get out of the hospital for the heart attack caused that last statement for your response.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-09, 01:10:05
Almost pontless.

The Commons is still far wider in hard practice and as I stated the parties are all represented on Standing Committees just as you lot have something vaguely similar.But the whole point is there is still a far wider involvement in Westminster by MORE parties than 2 corporate controlled once like the Democrats and Republicans.So a far wider political base. The Conservative Party is in power yet the upper house is controlled by Labour and Liberal Democrat parties as a majority of peers when checking government bills, etc. You are still behind no matter what. It is also why so many support Trump and Sanders. The weekly Prime Minister question time is used by every political corner. So there is a conspicuous difference in the wideness whether formally or otherwise and a couple of so-called independent mindson the Hill  are well, nothing.
ps. Conservative & Unionist, Labour, SNP (Scotland), Plaid Cymru (Wales), Liberal Democrats, UKIP, Ulster Unionists (Ulster) Democratic Unionists (Ulster), Social & Democratic Labour (in Ulster) all have MP's and on the committees.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-09, 05:30:23
The weekly Prime Minister question time is used by every political corner. So there is a conspicuous difference in the wideness whether formally or otherwise and a couple of so-called independent minds on the Hill are well, nothing.
You refer to the circus called "question time"? Everything that matters gets done behind closed doors, and usually -I'd guess- not in Parliament's offices... :)

You are easily bamboozled, RJ!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-09, 15:15:34
t is also why so many support Trump and Sanders.

What about the so many that supported Scottish secession? Why was that?  Did they perhaps feel unrepresented in the British Parliament, that perhaps London was too distant both geographically and in response to Scottish issues even on such a "wee island?" C'mon, Howie. Let's be honest. Our senators and representatives run this country like a bunch of poo-flinging monkeys. But recent events, especially in Scotland, say that your MPs and Lords are alienating your electorate with incompetence and disconnect from the real issues facing your people.  But you're not able to see that because to do so will be tantamount to an admission, especially to your America bashing self, that the UK as the same issues as the US.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-09, 15:44:41
Say. Howie, how many years was Alex Salmond First Minister again? It  seems odd that he ran unopposed in such a wide democracy, huh? :confused:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-09, 21:51:03

Almost pontless. ..................
It is also why so many support Trump and Sanders.

You are mentioning Trump and Sanders in the same breath and it's not for the first time. Why? What do they both have in common?
Assuming that you'd live over the pond, whom would you give your precious vote?
Since personalities like Genghis Khan, Chiang Kai-shek or the Iron Lady are not at disposal (God bless them), who would be your favorite?
Would Tony Blair or David Cameron be fine? Unfortunately neither of them can run for presidency in the ex colonies.
So which of those who can, would be your favorite?
Hillary? Ted Cruz (someone else's darling on these forums)? Cthulhu?
Or someone I've missed?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-13, 08:05:51
How drifting is that stuff from raccoon? If it does not fit into the limited idea of democracy across the pond then it is a failing??

That rather limited knowledge or understanding of a wider democracy is rather sad. I fully illustrated that we have national parties AND regional parties (Scotland, Wales, Ulster) .They are fully included in the parliamentary standing committees. The government before the present one was a shared one between 2 parties (impossible in the ex-colonies). I also pointed out that the Lords has more representatives from Labour and Liberal Democrats than the present government has!  The upper house in wide terms does have a wide experience and in fact has retired Trade Union leaders and people of no one political corner which gives wide opportunity.

The attempt to belittle a far wider remit representation here does little to correct the deep flaw in the USA system. People over there have for many  got fed up with the system. he wide suffering, restricted financial growth and frustration have seen the rise of both trump and sanders. Not that both are the same of course but have attracted vast numbers who are frustrated by the corporate carve-up on the Hill. In hard terms it has to be added that someone like Trump doing so well is an embarrassment but shows the flaw reaction very much in the face.  The more thinking Americans can understand why so many flock to Trump bandwagon but is also shows in another way a very obvious lack of depth by those on the bandwagon. Even allowing for the many in the States who are intelligent and thinking people the immaturity of this election also shows the flaws.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-13, 08:40:41
RJ, you do know that Trump talks much the same as you do...? :)

Part of the reason people in the U.S. are miffed is that we seem to be becoming British! They don't like that trend.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-13, 23:22:50
What utter tripe. It is too much to the stark point for you so up you come with something where you insult your own intelligence. People ARE fed up.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-14, 01:37:58
"People" are always fed up, Howie. That statement means nothing with being back by numbers. What are the reasons Trump's voters backed him by percentage and where's the same data for Sander's voters? Meanwhile, you just had just shy of 45% of Scots voting to leave the UK which indicates all is no well there either. At least we don't have a Salmond convincing that many people that the US should effectively be dissolved.

Since your cranium is about the same density of Plutonium and just as prone to overheating, I'll simply point that it's imbecilic to try compare width of the democracies. First of all we don't even have a proper definition. You're silly enough to claim the sheer number of political parties, when most of them have 8 seats or less out of 1,463. How many of those small parties are redundant with the Conservative and Labour parties (meaning, of course, they tend to have same positions and vote along the same lines as the larger ones?)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-04-14, 02:45:02
The People are saying:
Up Yours Washington D.C.


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Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-14, 06:44:26
Racoon, I think we agree -- on Howie's confusion.
And I like Trump's reaction to Colorado's distribution of it's delegates: Their rules were set in August; how was he to know what he should have done to win them? :) He's a "rock star" after all!
Cruz has a good ground-game... I think he's likely to win the nomination. (I certainly hope he'll win the general election, too.) But I'd tell you something -just between us: I don't think you need to fear a Cruz administration.
He knows what is within the perview of the presidency...
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-04-14, 08:48:29
......Cruz has a good ground-game... I think he's likely to win the nomination. (I certainly hope he'll win the general election, too.) But I'd tell you something -just between us: I don't think you need to fear a Cruz administration.
He knows what is within the perview of the presidency...

@OakdaleFTL    Well the delegate count has narrowed a bit, & it's looking more & more like an "Open Convention" may be in the cards.

Either way, we can't count "What does it matter" out.

She's got the juice & connections...a real machine, & plenty of Arab cash too!
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-14, 08:49:23
Arab cash?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-04-14, 08:57:17
Arab cash?

@Frenzie   

Quote from:     http://mcaf.ee/orh8tj
Four oil-rich Arab nations, all with histories of philanthropy to United Nations and Middle Eastern causes, have donated vastly more money to the Clinton Foundation than they have to most other large private charities involved in the kinds of global work championed by the Clinton family.

Since 2001, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates gave as much as $40 million to the Clinton Foundation. In contrast, six similar non-governmental global charities collected no money from those same four Middle Eastern countries; the International Committee of the Red Cross was given $6.82 million. Since 2001, these global foundations have raised a staggering $40 billion to $50 billion to fund their humanitarian work.

The existence of foreign donors to the Clinton Foundation has been well-documented in the media. What hasn't been revealed, however, is the disparity in donations by these four nations, all of which have been criticized by the State Department over the years for a spate of issues ranging from the mistreatment of women to stoking ethnic discord in the flammable Middle East.

Moreover, the level of Arab support for the Clinton Foundation, which occurred during the time Hillary Clinton was a U.S. senator, was seeking the Democratic nomination for president against Barack Obama, and was serving as secretary of state, fuels questions about the reasons for the donations. Were they solely to support the foundation's causes, or were they designed to curry favor with the ex-president and with a potential future president?

Mideast nations favor contributions to Clinton Foundation

Between 2001 and 2014 Middle Eastern countries gave $18 million to $50 million to the Clinton Foundation, accounting for 1.4 to 4 percent of contributions over the period. In contrast, the same nations gave about $6.82 million to the International Committee for the Red Cross, accounting for less than 1 percent of the $11.2 billion in contributions the organization received.
Saudi Arabia
$10 million to $25 million
Qatar
$1 million to $5 million
Oman
$1 million to $5 million
UAE
$1 million to $5 million

Read everything here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/election/article24782695.html#storylink=cpy



Need I say more......follow the money, & you'll eventually be into Hillary's purse.


More about Clinton Cash:


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-14, 13:42:45
And how much business dealings over there does your man Trump have? What favors does he owe Prince Alwaleed? What of his ties to  the mob  (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/ted-cruz/yes-donald-trump-has-been-linked-mob/)? Anybody can play this GOP conspiracy game.
More about Clinton Cash:
That makes the accusation that the Clintons work put them at the nexus of global money, influence and power. That could just as easily describe Trump. I'm not here to praise Hillary nor to bury her, just noting Trump is not an honorable man.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-04-15, 01:43:43
.....Rump is not an honorable man.

May be, but a rancid turd would be more acceptable than that crusty old lyin' snatch & her partner in crime Slickoooh anyday. Bernie is just more of the same.....increase turnout & voters through freebies on our dime. More government dependency, & less legit workers to foster the debt.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-15, 03:24:23
I'm sure you know by know that anybody that actually wants to be president shouldn't have the job. The whole Washington establishment are crooks. Trump manages to be both a crook and literal fascist. Yes, I really mean it. Some of his policies border on actual fascism and the support he's getting on Stormfront and other fascist/racist sites is disturbing. When you have neo-nazis and Klan members supporting your guy, you might want to take a step back and reconsider your position. I'd support Cruz, despite my concerns that he's a theocrat, just to keep Trump from being president. Make no mistake, I'm not throwing around epithets. Bush was supposedly a fascist, then Obama . Neither had any basis in reality. But Trump's xenophobic positions combined with his authoritarianism make him smell like the real deal, even if he's not self-aware of that fact. I told you near the begining of the Tea Party thread that you folks will "small government" your way straight into a dictatorship. By supporting Trump, you're helping make that come true.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-15, 03:37:07
Glad to see you coming around to the Cruz "camp"... But I've always felt his fidelity to the constitution precludes any tendency he might have towards theocracy.
But you will admit, the Trump candidacy is great fun! :) He's even less serious than Wallace was! And at least Perot had charts!

Still, I don't think he's a fascist: He's a wanna-be fascist! (He's not smart enough...)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-15, 09:54:28
You really are very arrogant, ignorant, full of yourself, raccoon. Slag me off as you wish as you would not face me in person. We were talking about systems and comparisons but you lower thongs to the point of ignorance.  Some of the ignorant labels you shove on me could be very much stuck on one of your Presidential candidates. The man in qauestgion is a laughing stock of your country and would get nowhere in a normal democracy in Europe or here in the Western world. You choose to ignore the real obvious because you are a mental low life who thinks he is something.

Can I say Oakdale that the man you are leaning towards for the election seems to have some problems on the Hill on the personal popularity stakes.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-15, 15:44:57
Still, I don't think he's a fascist: He's a wanna-be fascist! (He's not smart enough...)
Here's a  Slate  (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/02/is_donald_trump_a_fascist_an_expert_on_fascism_weighs_in.html) you might enjoy. It discusses what the echoes of fascism in Trump as well the differences between past European fascists though an interview was fascism expert Robert Paxton. I found the article too short myself.

 Salon  (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/11/trumps_not_hitler_hes_mussolini_how_gop_anti_intellectualism_created_a_modern_fascist_movement_in_america/) has an answer and makes it's own points on the matter. and wraps it up by saying:
Quote
In conclusion, the Fascism analogy is admittedly not a perfect fit.  When it comes to ideologies, no analogy is.  This is because ideologies change through time.  The religious anti-Semitism of the Middle Ages was very different from its racial reincarnation during the nineteenth century, the latter of which was picked up by the Nazis (although religious anti-Semitism still remained a part of it).  The anti-imperial, liberal, nationalism of the first half of the nineteenth century was very different from its more virulent, expansionist, and repressive kind at the beginning of the twentieth.  Stalin's Bolshevism was much scarier and arbitrarily deadlier than Lenin's.  In other words, just like the overuse of historical analogies should not make us too quick to embrace them, a search for a perfect ideological replica of interwar Fascism should not blind us to its ugly re-emergence in 2016.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-15, 15:52:02
Slag me off as you wish as you would not face me in person.
Crying umbrage because you can't answer my questions, than?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-04-15, 19:45:42
Now this from Wisconsin.

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While looking for the derivation of a family name for my wife, I ran into the following:
"But back to modern life. It is a truth universally acknowledged that having children inevitably demands an increases one's flatulent vocab. For us, apart from toot, we've talked a lot more about parping and trumping than we'd ever anticipated pre-children. And so I'm shocked to find out that according to my edition of the Historical Thesaurus of the Oxford English Dictionary (oh yes!), the word trump, meaning fart, was in usage from 1425-1798. I'd like to make a correction, please. It is alive and well in our house at least."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-15, 23:53:39
Listen raccy, I have indicated quite simply the vast difference in political systems and that ours IS wider but you choose to be one of those red neck mentalities that do your country no good at all. Instead you choose to ignore what was a straightforward thing into going berserk. Your problem not mine. It does not matter a damn which of the two corporate parties takes the white house as the tens of millions on food stamps will remain the same, big numbers losing their homes and salaried people under strain. If you did not go round the globe warring and at the same time look after your own people properly then there would be no room for what is emphasised.

You can scoff all you like about the smaller parties here but they in actuality get not only votes but MP's in parliament and as I also pointed out the regional players are as much part of the stadning committees as the bigger parties. Indeed there are chairmen who are not in the governing party!  Trump is an embarrassment to decent and sensible Americans and in a completely different corner the amount of support Sanders gets especially from the young shows there are problems. Trouble is that if you are in a party outside the big 2 who are corporate barons you haven't a snowball chance in the hot place. Wide democracy? Nope.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-16, 00:36:56
Slag me off as you wish
You might want to clarify that for those who aren't aware of y'alls bastardized version of the English language. :angel:
It could be.......misinterpreted.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-16, 01:07:59
Howie, you choose to ignore even the vast differences between three remaining Republican candidates and between Hillary and Bernie. In fact, Sanders is not really a Democrat. He's a democratic socialist. There are also arguments Trump isn't really a Republican (without going so far as to explore the possibility that he's a fascist.) Those two have simply latched themselves on to the Republican and Democratic political machinery even as the party leaders impotently protested.

What difference does it make if we have 246 Republicans in the House of Representatives, but 50 of them quarrel with the rest on occasion while agreeing with them most of the time instead of calling themselves by a different party brand? Likewise for the Democrats, with different numbers of course. A "Dixiecratic" Republican from the Bible belt is often a very different animal from an individualistic business minded one from Nevada. Our Senators and Representatives represent their districts' values and concerns , so there's no reason for a Nevada Party, California Party, etc.

But I doubt any of this will sink in, since your favorite hobby is bashing America. Oh and why did 45 percent of Scots voted to leave the UK even though London didn't pass any unfair laws against Scotland? All is not well when almost half the people vote like that without a precipitating event. Are you able to answer or not. I suspect not.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-16, 07:56:19
... Hillary and Bernie. In fact, Sanders is not really a Democrat. He's a democratic socialist.
So while Hillary represents the 'genuine' democrat, Sanders is kind  of a variation.
Be aware that I'm not arguing here. I'm just curious how Americans perceive different political nuances. :)
Hence my questions:
- Has the term "socialist" a negative connotation for most Americans? In case it has, what are the negative associations?
- What makes a real Democrat compared to a subvariety like Sanders?

Oh and why did 45 percent of Scots voted to leave the UK even though London didn't pass any unfair laws against Scotland? All is not well when almost half the people vote like that without a precipitating event. Are you able to answer or not.
Let me give a try even so I'm not RJ, neither would RJ agree with my point...
Would Americans prefer to live under Canadian, Australian or British law? All three mentioned countries are considered democracies.
So what could go wrong?  :devil:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-16, 15:31:03
Be aware that I'm not arguing here. I'm just curious how Americans perceive different political nuances.
She's a highly connected, establishment Democrat. Bernie is a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist running on the Democratic ticket and is in the Senate as an independent. So he's not really a Democrat by his own description. Anyone can run for office as Democrat or Republican, regardless of how much or little they agree with DNC or RNC (Democratic/Republican National Committees), as long as they meet the requirements outlined in the Constitution and of course, it's up to the voters to accept or reject them. This one of the many things Howie fails to understand.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-16, 15:48:02
... Hillary and Bernie. In fact, Sanders is not really a Democrat. He's a democratic socialist.
So while Hillary represents the 'genuine' democrat, Sanders is kind  of a variation.
Be aware that I'm not arguing here. I'm just curious how Americans perceive different political nuances. :)
Hence my questions:
- Has the term "socialist" a negative connotation for most Americans? In case it has, what are the negative associations?
- What makes a real Democrat compared to a subvariety like Sanders?

Oh and why did 45 percent of Scots voted to leave the UK even though London didn't pass any unfair laws against Scotland? All is not well when almost half the people vote like that without a precipitating event. Are you able to answer or not.
Let me give a try even so I'm not RJ, neither would RJ agree with my point...
Would Americans prefer to live under Canadian, Australian or British law? All three mentioned countries are considered democracies.
So what could go wrong?  :devil:

1. "Socialist" has been a smear term in the US since the McCarthy ere of the 50's. When Republicans fall into a tight spot, the go-to political move is to assert (insert politician here) is a gotdamned Socialist!" The grand irony of this, is that the same Repubs will assert in the same breath that the US is a Christian country, but vehemently deny that Jesus was a socialist. If things weren't affected so much by such jackassery, it might be somewhat humorous.

2. Hillary is representative of the post-Reagan Democrats. In other words, she and her husband, as well as Obama, all whore themselves out to big businesses and swear to serve their interests (Obama will be a God in Big Pharmacy, forever more), but in public and speeches, deny such. Have a look at the debates so far. Bernie will assert such, but in much nicer language, and Hillary will deny it. She'll say, "I'm going to rein in the big banks!", all the while receiving huge donations to her PACs and Super PACs.

Bernie is more representative of the old-school, Franklin D. Roosevelt school of Democrats.

3. I would prefer to import the law allowing the open carrying of beer in the streets, nationally. New Orleans and Vegas are the only places I know of in that allow this. Also, I would greatly prefer a NHS-style system regarding healthcare, rather than the current abortion we currently have.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: jax on 2016-04-16, 17:44:10
While American English is a more proper form of English in the sense that it has diverged less from earlier English, the political vocabulary is an exception. Left/right of centre might vary as different countries have different political midpoints (and individuals opinions), but there would be little confusion on the terms if a Norwegian, Portuguese and Australian were to discuss politics. Not so an American and virtually anyone else. Liberal, conservative, socialist, republican, red, blue, communist, progressive, and the rest of those labels in particular.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2016-04-17, 00:09:50
.......the open carrying of beer in the streets, nationally. New Orleans and Vegas are the only places I know of in that allow this........


Quote from:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_open_container_laws#Places_where_legal

Open container restrictions are not always rigorously enforced, and open containers may in fact be legally permitted in nominally private events which are open to the public. This is especially true in downtown districts and during holidays and sporting events; see tailgate party.
Places where legal

There are a few public places in the United States where open containers are always permitted in the street:

    The city of Butte, Montana, prohibits open containers only between 2am and 8am. Drinking openly in the street is allowed throughout the city (and elsewhere in Montana where no local laws exist) during the other 18 hours of the day.[3] A recent attempt to pass a comprehensive open container prohibition in Butte met with widespread opposition and was dropped.[4] However, Montana state law does prohibit open containers in vehicles on a highway.[5]
    In the Power & Light District of Kansas City, Missouri, a special Missouri state law[6] preempts Kansas City's ordinary local law against open containers[7] and allows the possession and consumption of alcoholic beverages on the street in open plastic containers.[8] Although Missouri has no statewide open container law, the Power & Light District remains the only part of Kansas City where open containers are allowed actually on the street, and throughout the rest of Kansas City, open containers remain expressly prohibited.
    In unincorporated Clark County, Nevada (including the Las Vegas Strip) the laws allow the possession and consumption on the street of alcoholic beverages except within parking lots or, if the alcohol was purchased in a closed container, on the premises of or within 1000 feet of the store from which it was purchased.[9] It is also illegal to possess a glass or aluminum beverage container on specially designated streets during special events, such as the Strip on New Year's Eve.[10]
    The entertainment district along Beale Street in Downtown Memphis, Tennessee, is specially exempt from both Tennessee's statewide open container ban and Memphis's local open container ban, thereby permitting the open consumption of alcoholic beverages on the street.
    The city of New Orleans, Louisiana allows the possession and consumption on the street of any alcoholic beverage in an open plastic container (not in glass bottles or containers). Throughout the rest of Louisiana, however, open containers are still prohibited, despite the fact that drive-thru frozen daiquiri stands are legal.[11]
    In the Savannah Historic District of Downtown Savannah, Georgia, city law allows possession and consumption on the street of one alcoholic beverage in an open plastic container of not more than 16 ounces.[12] Because Georgia has no state public open container law, the city law governs. Throughout the rest of Savannah, however, open containers remain prohibited.
    The town of Fredericksburg, Texas allows open containers of beer or wine (no liquor) in its Main street shopping district.
    The city of Hood River, Oregon, has no open container ordinance.[13] Oregon statewide open container laws only pertain to vehicles.[14]
    The city of Erie, Pennsylvania has no open container law; consumption of alcoholic beverages is not generally prohibited in public spaces.[15]
    The village of East Aurora, New York has no open container law; consumption of alcoholic beverages is not generally prohibited in public spaces.

Something everyone needs to know!  (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fimgur.com%2FQEmwAPx.gif&hash=98f59d0e70e594077dfeb56ae6a1711c" rel="cached" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://imgur.com/QEmwAPx.gif)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-17, 01:02:10
1. "Socialist" has been a smear term in the US since the McCarthy ere of the 50's. When Republicans fall into a tight spot, the go-to political move is to assert (insert politician here) is a gotdamned Socialist!"
Correct, but if somebody describe himself as such is it still a smear to call him that?
In unincorporated Clark County, Nevada (including the Las Vegas Strip) the laws allow the possession and consumption on the street of alcoholic beverages except within parking lots or, if the alcohol was purchased in a closed container, on the premises of or within 1000 feet of the store from which it was purchased.
Or on Fremont street, which is in downtown Las Vegas proper the cops usually won't bother you unless you're acting like a jackass. I'm not sure what the exact law is there, but unless you're being an idiot, you should be fine.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-17, 10:29:09
Correct, but if somebody describe himself as such is it still a smear to call him that?
Yes. Someone reappropriating a smear doesn't stop if from being a smear in the context in which it is a smear in the first place.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-17, 16:23:25
.......the open carrying of beer in the streets, nationally. New Orleans and Vegas are the only places I know of in that allow this........


Quote from:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_open_container_laws#Places_where_legal

Open container restrictions are not always rigorously enforced, and open containers may in fact be legally permitted in nominally private events which are open to the public. This is especially true in downtown districts and during holidays and sporting events; see tailgate party.
Places where legal

There are a few public places in the United States where open containers are always permitted in the street:

    The city of Butte, Montana, prohibits open containers only between 2am and 8am. Drinking openly in the street is allowed throughout the city (and elsewhere in Montana where no local laws exist) during the other 18 hours of the day.[3] A recent attempt to pass a comprehensive open container prohibition in Butte met with widespread opposition and was dropped.[4] However, Montana state law does prohibit open containers in vehicles on a highway.[5]
    In the Power & Light District of Kansas City, Missouri, a special Missouri state law[6] preempts Kansas City's ordinary local law against open containers[7] and allows the possession and consumption of alcoholic beverages on the street in open plastic containers.[8] Although Missouri has no statewide open container law, the Power & Light District remains the only part of Kansas City where open containers are allowed actually on the street, and throughout the rest of Kansas City, open containers remain expressly prohibited.
    In unincorporated Clark County, Nevada (including the Las Vegas Strip) the laws allow the possession and consumption on the street of alcoholic beverages except within parking lots or, if the alcohol was purchased in a closed container, on the premises of or within 1000 feet of the store from which it was purchased.[9] It is also illegal to possess a glass or aluminum beverage container on specially designated streets during special events, such as the Strip on New Year's Eve.[10]
    The entertainment district along Beale Street in Downtown Memphis, Tennessee, is specially exempt from both Tennessee's statewide open container ban and Memphis's local open container ban, thereby permitting the open consumption of alcoholic beverages on the street.
    The city of New Orleans, Louisiana allows the possession and consumption on the street of any alcoholic beverage in an open plastic container (not in glass bottles or containers). Throughout the rest of Louisiana, however, open containers are still prohibited, despite the fact that drive-thru frozen daiquiri stands are legal.[11]
    In the Savannah Historic District of Downtown Savannah, Georgia, city law allows possession and consumption on the street of one alcoholic beverage in an open plastic container of not more than 16 ounces.[12] Because Georgia has no state public open container law, the city law governs. Throughout the rest of Savannah, however, open containers remain prohibited.
    The town of Fredericksburg, Texas allows open containers of beer or wine (no liquor) in its Main street shopping district.
    The city of Hood River, Oregon, has no open container ordinance.[13] Oregon statewide open container laws only pertain to vehicles.[14]
    The city of Erie, Pennsylvania has no open container law; consumption of alcoholic beverages is not generally prohibited in public spaces.[15]
    The village of East Aurora, New York has no open container law; consumption of alcoholic beverages is not generally prohibited in public spaces.

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Very informative. Thanks for that!

I'd have never guess that Butte, Montana, or Savannah, Georgia, would have had those laws on the book, Savannah especially.

I try to stay away from Beale St in Memphis though, as I do actually value my life.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-17, 19:30:09
2. Hillary is representative of the post-Reagan Democrats. In other words, she and her husband, as well as Obama, all whore themselves out to big businesses and swear to serve their interests... Have a look at the debates so far.
I see.  It confirms at large my own sentence about the Clintons and Obama. I find it ludicrous when Obama is labeled by some as a communist. A communist whoring himself to big business. :D

BTW,

(https://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/hillary-clinton1.jpg?w=620)


Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-17, 23:58:41
I find it ludicrous when Obama is labeled by some as a communist.
Now some are silly enough to try to label Hillary  as one  (http://freedomoutpost.com/exposing-the-marxistcommunist-past-of-hillary-clinton/) :rolleyes: I know there are issues with Hillary, but being a communist is not among them. Maybe even she had a little of that ideology in college, she certainly doesn't have it now.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: string on 2016-04-18, 19:59:42
As someone from the other side of the pond, I would enjoy poking fun at all of that, but I have to admit that we have our share of political combat consisting almost entirely of using labels. So no high minded scoffing there,  Maybe somewhere policies are actually discussed rather than caricatures.

My theory, therefore, is that Trump is actually a communist because he wants to build a wall round Mexico.

There seems to be some meat in the matter of open beer bottles though. It a matter of national policy? Is Hilary espousing a policy of making it illegal not to leave toilet seats down?

What are the real issues that matter.

So far I think my dime (wouldn't  bet more than that) would be on Hillary.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2016-04-18, 22:29:04
As someone from the other side of the pond, I would enjoy poking fun at all of that, but I have to admit that we have our share of political combat consisting almost entirely of using labels. So no high minded scoffing there,  Maybe somewhere policies are actually discussed rather than caricatures.

My theory, therefore, is that Trump is actually a communist because he wants to build a wall round Mexico.

There seems to be some meat in the matter of open beer bottles though. It a matter of national policy? Is Hilary espousing a policy of making it illegal not to leave toilet seats down?

What are the real issues that matter.

So far I think my dime (wouldn't  bet more than that) would be on Hillary.

Really the beer issue is a state one, but being as how the 10th Amendment is more or less gone at this point, I'd hope, being as how we just about have no other choice, that it would become a national issue.

After all, @string , my state refused to acknowledge that Prohibition had been repealed in 1933 until 1966. :(
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-19, 03:03:26
So far I think my dime (wouldn't  bet more than that) would be on Hillary.
What, in a Hillary versus "the Donald" general election? She'll crush him like a grape. The electoral college spells a defeat for Trump. Donald will get the deeply Republican states, but Hillary will get the Democratic states and the "Purple states." Further, Trump's approval keeps failing."
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-19, 06:39:22
My theory, therefore, is that Trump is actually a communist because he wants to build a wall round Mexico.
Very interesting theory. Following the logic, the Great Wall of China was build by communists.
Who'd have thought that the Ming Dynasty was communist? :)

Is Hilary espousing a policy of making it illegal not to leave toilet seats down?

What are the real issues that matter.
Indeed:
Hillary Clinton's nightmare neoliberalism and American exceptionalism makes the world a dangerous place (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/20/it_is_urgent_that_shes_stopped_hillary_clintons_nightmare_neoliberalism_and_american_exceptionalism_makes_the_world_a_dangerous_place/)

So far I think my dime (wouldn't  bet more than that) would be on Hillary.
So even people from the other side of the pond can have different views on the same subject. :)
The same thing perceived as a threat by someone can be perceived as an opportunity by someone else.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-19, 10:26:15
Very interesting theory. Following the logic, the Great Wall of China was build by communists.
Who'd have thought that the Ming Dynasty was communist?  :)
I don't know about the Ming Dynasty, but a great many Republicans are communists because they are proponents of taking out of a common well (i.e. the environment) without paying for it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-04-19, 14:53:07
Trump rules.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-global-warming_us_5601d04fe4b08820d91aa753 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-global-warming_us_5601d04fe4b08820d91aa753)
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-19, 17:19:05
Quote from: Trump
The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385

This is one of those weird things that make no sense. When you're effectively banning the cheaper, more energy-wasting Chinese products, what you've got is a protectionist measure.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-19, 17:51:14
... a great many Republicans are communists because they are proponents of taking out of a common well (i.e. the environment)...
You mean something like fracking? Is it a Republican monopol? I don't think so.
And don't even try to tell me that fracking is of the table. It might be for the next few years but it is still part of the future economic and geostrategic expansion strategy.
I could add the environmental devastations abroad which aren't either a Republican monopol.
Should we conclude therefore that both the Republicans and the Democrats are communists? :devil:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-04-19, 21:02:08
This is one of those weird things that make no sense. When you're effectively banning the cheaper, more energy-wasting Chinese products, what you've got is a protectionist measure.
Did you know that Canada plans to build a wall on the US/Canadian border if Trump wins? They're going to make us pay for it.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-20, 09:09:20
... a great many Republicans are communists because they are proponents of taking out of a common well (i.e. the environment)...
You mean something like fracking? Is it a Republican monopol? I don't think so.
You left out the crucial part of that phrase: without paying for it. I'm not talking about the act of polluting, but about the economic mechanism behind it. In communism, as the name itself says, your resources are in a commons. You can just give and take from the commons as you please. The reason communism fails is that there is too little giving, although it can be sustained by forcing people to give through totalitarianism. The reason capitalism works better is because through the money resources cost, you're disincentivized from taking more than you really need. So far so good. Republicans and I mostly agree up to this point. But then they suddenly insist that resources like mountain tops, the air, and the oceans, should be part of the commons![1] Yet recall your history classes. What happened when Lenin took over? What happened when Mao did? Mass food shortages.

That is what will happen under the communist system these Republicans advocate, just on a planet-wide scale. Putting a resource in the commons is the surest way to eventually destroy it, because there is no such thing as market clearing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_clearing) to balance what is taken in and out of the commons.[2] The reason acid rain is largely a solved problem is because capitalism was introduced through a cap and trade system, while in the 1970s acid rain was plagued by all the issues that come with communism. The Republican rhetoric in defense of the communist commons is one of freedom, and that's true. Capitalism is regulation. Regulation against the freedom of just taking as you please. And that's how the demagogues get the Republican base on board. Introducing capitalism into the communist system of polluting is pro-regulation, and regulation is anti-freedom. Isn't regulation just such an icky word? But purely speaking capitalism is regulation against the freedom of taking as you please, and communism the lack of it.
It would have been more accurate had I written that a great many Republicans strongly support various communist policies even though they are not in fact communists.
Of course market clearing is itself a utopian fiction, but the point isn't so much to what extent market clearing is real as that it is consistent with Republican ideology, unlike communism.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-20, 15:16:30
Besides, how many examples from history do we need to show unregulated capitalism is colossal failure in both human terms and economic terms? Economists agree that 2008 was caused over-zealous deregulation of the financial sector, re-legalizing financial instruments that had been illegal for their part in causing the 1929 crash. But the axe swings both ways. Over regulation by equally clueless Democratic officials can disincentize investment and stifle economic growth. The lesson here is to abandon ideologically driven economic policy in favor of policy that can be empirically shown to work. But the Democratic and Republican bases will have none of it.

  
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Post by: Belfrager on 2016-04-20, 22:40:31
In communism, as the name itself says, your resources are in a commons. You can just give and take from the commons as you please.
Poor Frenzie... The Comunist Party can give and take, not you.
As for the rest, Capitalism is the lack of regulation. Capitalism is just the fancie word used for the Law of the Strongest. Judge Lynch style.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: midnight raccoon on 2016-04-21, 00:30:51
The Federal Aviation Administration  grounded Trump's plane  (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/21/nyregion/donald-trumps-jet-is-grounded-by-the-faa.html). The plane's operator, which a company controlled by Trump, failed to re-register it back in February despite having been given warnings that the registration was about to expire. :lol:
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-21, 04:59:08
It's "a fixed system" ya know! :)
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Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-21, 05:45:12
Poor Frenzie... The Comunist Party can give and take, not you.
Pretty sure I covered that in the next sentence or two. :P

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Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-21, 06:20:40
There's an "academic" reading of ideologies and an actual history... Just sayin'... :)
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Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-21, 07:08:22
If you raised any specific objections we could see whether I actually failed to address them and both of us might learn something in the process. Just saying'... :)
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Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2016-04-21, 14:31:08
Just saying, "Just saying".
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Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-21, 21:23:59
Well, to put it mildly: Every time "communism" has been tried involving more than a few score of people, millions have died... Does that not teach you something about your academic definition? :(
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Post by: rjhowie on 2016-04-21, 22:38:13
Spot on there OakdaleFTL
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Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2016-04-21, 22:44:12
Glad we can agree on some things, RJ... (Have you seen my post (https://thedndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=99.msg54549#msg54549) in the Guns thread? :) Wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-22, 09:00:31
Well, to put it mildly: Every time "communism" has been tried involving more than a few score of people, millions have died... Does that not teach you something about your academic definition? :(
No, unfortunately it just teaches me the complete absence of any interaction with my purposefully provocatively phrased argument.

First I gave a "pure" definition of communism,[1] in the sentence quoted by Belfrager.

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In communism, as the name itself says, your resources are in a commons. You can just give and take from the commons as you please.

The very next sentence read:
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The reason communism fails is that there is too little giving, although it can be sustained by forcing people to give through totalitarianism (emphases added).
Your supposed objection is practically the crux of my argument.
Call it academic if you will.
Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-22, 11:27:27
In communism, as the name itself says, your resources are in a commons. You can just give and take from the commons as you please. The reason communism fails is that there is too little giving, although it can be sustained by forcing people to give through totalitarianism.
That's a very arbitrary explanation. :) I don't blame you therefore. It's probably what you left with after your study and after reading some books.
Resources in commons in a socialist aka communist country:
Let's take a forest as an example. It was in theory public property. Imagine what would have happened to somebody if he would have been caught stealing wood and telling that he is just taking his part of public property. :)
Let's take another example. All factories where considered in theory belonging to the working class. Imagine what would have happened to a worker caught stealing some goods from the factory and claiming that he is just taking his small part of the working class property.
It was not the lack of regulations why 'communism' (communism was meant to be the final stage of socialism - something that was never achieved) failed and was doomed to fail. ;)

As Sang points out, it was first of all the ideologically driven economic policy which brought 'communism' to a halt. An ideology (in this case the communist one) based on utopian assumptions.
IMO, best example for how socialism can work was Skandinavia.

Capitalism is regulation.
In other words, all people should benefit from the generated wealth.
If (de)regulations are dictated by big money and their lobby (be it in Washington or Brussels) then they become a farce.
What we finally get: the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, social tensions and a totalitarian system which takes care of all...

Title: Re: The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga
Post by: krake on 2016-04-22, 11:30:58
Well, to put it mildly: Every time "communism" has been tried involving more than a few score of people, millions have died... Does that not teach you something about your academic definition? :(
Is "communism" the only ideology which for millions of people had to die?
Think about it. It shouldn't be so hard. Many of the wars and killings took place during your lifetime...
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Post by: Frenzie on 2016-04-22, 12:13:42
Let's take a forest as an example. It was in theory public property. Imagine what would have happened to somebody if he would have been caught stealing wood and telling that he is just taking his part of public property.  :)
Let's take another example. All factories where considered in theory belonging to the working class. Imagine what would have happened to a worker caught stealing some goods from the factory and claiming that he is just taking his small part of the working class property.
It was not the lack of regulat