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Title: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-09-17, 20:24:04
I see with some very great annoyance that Biden is sticking his nose into British politics and matters on Ireland north and south. His main thrust on our departure from the EU and what is happening regarding across the Irish Sea and especially Ulster he is interfering in. Indeed he is threatening that if he wins as President he will stop the projected idea of business matters betwixt the UK and the USA.  Now America has a long history of interfering in places but that this is being created between us is disgusting, arrogant and ridiculous.

Mind you if we are being honest there is a side issue here that some will not click on and that is America has a large part of the population who are from the Irish tradition and he is trying to use that in his arrogance. There will be those who might act surprised at my statement but the tradition is a fact of life and doesn't take much to fathom that nonsense out.
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2020-09-18, 04:40:54
Damn! Howie making sense in good enough grammar that I understand what he's saying, and even agree with him! (Is such given in the list of signs of the apocalypse?! :) )
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: jax on 2020-09-18, 16:29:09
That anyone in Britain (or the US) can fake outrage for this tweet shows that insanity runs rampant in these two countries:


https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1306334039557586944
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-09-19, 00:08:26
Don't you dare compare our British political system with over the dashed pond. Wha tI said is directly obvious to those using their brain - like Oakdale Don't confuse your grey cells jax as things are obvious to clear minds. The idiocy of how that former VP is acting as obvious as the sun. He isn't the automatic greatest and it is many of his general side wrecking and causing millions of damage, etc.
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2020-09-21, 08:56:04
What Howie means to say -allow me to put it plain- is GB is not America's colony! And, he'd likely add: For shame, for shame! They of all peoples should know better... (I'd include some blather about ancient history; but RJ only has one book; he keeps it, because the last time he looked he was in it... Don't berate the breadth of such. He has unsuspected depths which should be praised! Only should he fall into them -since peering may prove not enough- should you consider his uplifting or upbraiding... Let the man look! And be content he doesn't write, much...)
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: jax on 2020-09-21, 15:03:07
Let's look at the statement:

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We can't allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit.

Any trade deal between the U.S. and U.K. must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period.

The Good Friday Agreement (GFA) is an international agreement between Ireland and the UK. It also includes the parties in the Northern Ireland conflict. If it had only includes these parties it would arguably be a domestic agreement and an "internal affair". The US is not a party to this agreement, though they can with some justification consider themselves a "godfather" to the agreement. The EU was not a party to the agreement either, but Ireland is an EU member and the UK is not. Breaking an agreement with Ireland is breaking an agreement with the EU, in an area where the EU has competency, and which is additionally a part of the withdrawal agreement with the UK. Breaking an international treaty is a big deal.

Now, the US is free to look the other way if you so please, you are as mentioned not a part of this treaty. Or you can choose to use your influence. Furthermore you are free to do whichever trade deals you desire, or not do them. Trump has shown ample cases of that.

Now, this is a foreign political choice, You can pick one, you can pick another, neither is technically wrong. Breaking agreements usually have consequences though, and in this case those consequence may not merely be diplomatic.
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-09-21, 18:04:11
Of course Ireland has a place in the EU but the so-called Good Friday Agreement is nothing to do do with EU no matter taht the Irish Republic is in that corner. Would add that southern Ireland for decades was incapable of getting progress and the EU a financial boost so an improvement for them what goes on in Ulster is a British matter. Must admit i was not that taken on with the Good Friday agreement as it was not a traditional direction in Britain and that then Labour PM conjured up a a semi-democratic would be system in the North where having a majority means sod all!

As for the US of A it has a long, long history of interfering in other countries and unfortunately been slightly pompous in that matter.  As I have pointed out there is a long Irish tradition in the country and Biden is using that even though that corner has had some dodgy attitudes on Ulster and there has over the years been some unfortunate leanings. I also find it a sigh when listening to Biden and his would-be stances on positives. Negatives in America have existed in the Democrats as well as Republicans and the numbers of suffering people and social problems exist under them too!
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: ensbb3 on 2020-09-22, 12:41:11
As for the US of A it has a long, long history of interfering in other countries and unfortunately been slightly pompous in that matter.
The irony of a Brit saying that. :doh:
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2020-09-22, 18:48:25
Old Ben Franklin had a thing or two (being the economicalist he was) about such matters...[1]
*

WTF!? Whence this
  • [2] [/#]
     that's making me blue? Where does it come from?
    What must I do to make it go away?! Fie! (I mean: I guess I've some research to do. :) I still have a full head of hair... I fear becoming "folic-ally challenged" over this one, guys! And the fear is really scary... Why do you think I wear my lily pad cap? :) I'd accept any help I can get...


    )

    I beg your indulgence whilst I search... Cert., Sir-a!
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-09-22, 20:46:13
Dear oh dear, what a laugh with that coming from ensbb3.

The USA has for modern decades interfered with other country political things if do not agree with the USA. It has a long history of warfare and spends more than anyone else on it whilst legions suffer starvation over the pond. The country spends more on military than anyone else and half the global bill an did this former Vice-President do much to see on a change? Nah.

The Democrats candidate is a groan and giving the impression more broader based and positive. Mind you they and Biden have legally done little to alter things inside the USofA when in power and seems that it is easy to brain Americans at each election!
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2020-09-23, 02:27:39
It has a long history of warfare and spends more than anyone else on it whilst legions suffer starvation over the pond.
That first sentence had me laughing so hard I "nearly had my native simile Jarred". The second might be worth persuing...
Cannot a Scot be miserly enough with his own money? Must he pinch everyone else's pennies too?

I'll pit out legions against you'n,, anytime, RJ[/]! (Hey, I thought you were all for welfare? What happened?)

Biden gives an impression like a duck gives a cluck!
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-09-23, 22:15:28
You're getting confused Oakdale! I make allowances for the hard truth that the way the US is routinely run is a mess and I am fortunate to be in a place where the corporates do not run the place. If that Biden bloke wins the trouble will not go away. Ease up laddie and sip a soft drink for a change!!  8)  :drunk:

ps I am not a lefty.  :happy:
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2020-09-25, 12:47:37
ps I am not a lefty.   :happy:
You are Orange... Quick question: What does (red + yellow = ?) :)

Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-09-26, 00:36:09
Wow a Yank who can work things out simply, haha!  :up:
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2020-11-06, 05:52:10
Howie I've got terrible news for you. Much like we states under the federal gov't, in the coming 5-10 years, the UK will become subservient to the US federal govt. This was self-inflicted by Brexit. It could have been avoided.

Have no fear, we will still allow our 52nd, 53rd, 54th, and 55th (assuming N. Ireland doesn't reunite with the RoI) states maintain a mirage of independence. Not 51st because I noted Puerto Rico voted in favor of statehood today.

Other than Defense, International relations, and the NHS (😢) you all will be able to do as you please. CANZUK will not save you, they do as we suggest.

As Churchill once said, " Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. but it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." You all allowed the Tories to lead you to ruin, and the bill is coming due.

All the best Mr. Howie. I hate to see such a proud nation have to come to us with bowler hat in hand on bended knee asking for us to save you, but it is what it is. 😞
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: Frenzie on 2020-11-06, 10:21:58
Not 51st because I noted Puerto Rico voted in favor of statehood today.
They've done so before.
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2020-11-06, 13:05:32
Not 51st because I noted Puerto Rico voted in favor of statehood today.
They've done so before.
True, but the political landscape is very different today. 2 additional Senators, likely Democrats, would be a boon for President-elect Biden.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/524590-puerto-rico-votes-in-favor-of-us-statehood
Title: Re: President election - candidate sticking nose in British things
Post by: rjhowie on 2020-11-07, 00:54:07
As passingly happens dear colonel I own a power hat which wear at certain parades (!) and I must say that I am not someone who would be happy at US control here. We er getting out of that EU farce but not for us boots on our heads.  :down: