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Topic: The world in 2030 (Read 31277 times)

  • jax
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The world in 2030
How do we imagine the world in 2030 to be?

  • rjhowie
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Re: The world in 2030
Reply #100
Yeah Belfrager and look how he ended up full of fat, drugs and lost the plot. Only emphasises my submission!
"Quit you like men:be strong"

Re: The world in 2030
Reply #101
For a country that boasts about it being a orincipled republic the actuality is something else. Rights trampled on, people persecuted internally and control freakery all for that other word 2security." An overflated military, increasingly morphing into a police state that makes the police in cities lookk like something out of some military dictatorship. Tens of millions of poor a controlled system dominated by 2 parties that keep anyone else out, spend half the world's military budget,people persecuted if they don't accept the propaganda.

I just don't know what to say, so...

  • Belfrager
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For those of you that still take yourselves seriously, that's the vision of 2030 from the European perspective.
Published by ESPAS - European Strategy and Policy Analysis System. Not bad. It would be interesting to compare this analysis with American ones...

http://europa.eu/espas/pdf/espas-outreach-leaflet.pdf

It's easy to read, that's just the highlights, not the full document.
A matter of attitude.

  • krake
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Re: The world in 2030
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The world in 2030?
The New World Order might become established by then.


  • rjhowie
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Great answer jimbro and well done avoiding Smiley's upset!
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • tt92
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Re: The world in 2030
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Great answer jimbro and well done avoiding Smiley's upset!

What?

  • Belfrager
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Re: The world in 2030
Reply #106
The New World Order might become established by then.

Finally others also sees the light.
I'm certain that by 2030 the "New Order" will certainly face organized resistance against. Probably the biggest fight mankind has ever done.
It's a matter of survival of Man.
A matter of attitude.

  • ensbb3
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I've seen some of this posted before. Appropriate enough for a bump.

  • OakdaleFTL
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Re: The world in 2030
Reply #108
When I read of the EU's "plans" I usually think of William Tenn's short story "Brooklyn Project"... :)
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  • jax
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Re: The world in 2030
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I've seen some of this posted before. Appropriate enough for a bump.


Seems the fad on YouTube these days to tag every video "BBC documentary" even when they clearly aren't.

Anyway the description is accurate: "A documentary on the ten most ambitious mega-projects currently under development around the world, featuring: Dubai World Central Airport (United Arab Emirates); Songdo International Business District (South Korea); Tokyo-Osaka Maglev Train (Japan); Masdar City (United Arab Emirates); The Grand Canal (Nicaragua); National Trunk Highway System (China); International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor [ITER] - Fusion (France); World's Tallest Building (Azerbaijan); Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor (India); King Abdullah Economic City (Saudi Arabia)."

  • Belfrager
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A documentary on the ten most ambitious mega-projects currently under development around the world, featuring: Dubai World Central Airport (United Arab Emirates); Songdo International Business District (South Korea); Tokyo-Osaka Maglev Train (Japan); Masdar City (United Arab Emirates); The Grand Canal (Nicaragua); National Trunk Highway System (China); International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor [ITER] - Fusion (France); World's Tallest Building (Azerbaijan); Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor (India); King Abdullah Economic City (Saudi Arabia).

Always the same thing, f*ck up the world.
Then they ask how's the world by 2030... better, much better indeed... how could we ever lived without a Delhi-Mumbai industrial corridor...
A matter of attitude.

  • jseaton2311
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Re: The world in 2030
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"A documentary on the ten most ambitious mega-projects currently under development around the world, featuring: Dubai World Central Airport (United Arab Emirates); Songdo International Business District (South Korea); Tokyo-Osaka Maglev Train (Japan); Masdar City (United Arab Emirates); The Grand Canal (Nicaragua); National Trunk Highway System (China); International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor [ITER] - Fusion (France); World's Tallest Building (Azerbaijan); Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor (India); King Abdullah Economic City (Saudi Arabia)."

Here is something a bit more down to earth, progressive and very green.  Coming to a canal near you soon!! 

First we had windmills. Then wind turbines. Now it's time to meet the Windwheel.
Those delightfully zany Dutch have done it again!

Science will save us all folks--including ye of little faith.   :knight: :cheers:

James J

  • jax
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Re: The world in 2030
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Always the same thing, f*ck up the world.
Then they ask how's the world by 2030... better, much better indeed... how could we ever lived without a Delhi-Mumbai industrial corridor...


We would be living in a world where a Delhi-Mumbai industrial corridor would be needed (there is serious doubt it would be built by that time) and not one where the Indian subcontinent is a poverty-stricken playground for British colonialists.

If we look at his project list, it can be divided into categories:

New Cities

  • Songdo International Business District (South Korea)

  • Masdar City (United Arab Emirates)

  • Khazar Islands (Azerbaijan)

  • King Abdullah Economic City (Saudi Arabia)


As a consequence of higher population and urbanisation in the world there will be many more cities and megacities, almost all in Asia (most of the world's population) and Africa (highest population growth). As they grow in size and economy, their impact on the world will increase, but the ones to be of influence in 2030 exist now.

Infrastructure

  • Dubai World Central Airport (United Arab Emirates)

  • Tokyo-Osaka Maglev Train (Japan)

  • The Grand Canal (Nicaragua)

  • National Trunk Highway System (China)

  • Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor (India)



Most of these projects would be finished by 2030 or nearby, and while there would be immediate local effects the biggest effects will take longer to materialise.

The exception would be the Chinese highway (and highspeed rail, metro, and airport) network, which is changing China as we speak.

A new Panama canal could also matter, but the change would be less dramatic as there already is a Panama canal.


Technology

  • International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (France)



Whatever the outcome, it won't affect the world of 2030, but it might be of importance by 2040.

  • ensbb3
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Re: The world in 2030
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Seems the fad on YouTube these days to tag every video "BBC documentary" even when they clearly aren't.

Indeed. So much so I didn't even notice this one.


As they grow in size and economy, their impact on the world will increase, but the ones to be of influence in 2030 exist now.

In regards to planned cities - They rarely seem to of worked out as planned. I do agree with the narrator in that even a failure here can result in projects with sustainability for existing cities and given the money to do it, why not? But throwing countless dollars at an experimental city that is supposed to be much more efficient seems counter intuitive.  

  • jax
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Re: The world in 2030
Reply #114
In regards to planned cities - They rarely seem to of worked out as planned.

Or worse, they work out as planned.

I do agree with the narrator in that even a failure here can result in projects with sustainability for existing cities and given the money to do it, why not? But throwing countless dollars at an experimental city that is supposed to be much more efficient seems counter intuitive.  
There is the "our capital is a mess, let's build a pure new capital unpolluted by those people and constructed according to the latest fads". By the look of it there will be a few new Washington DCs in this century, and they usually start out miserable. Some stay that way.

Most upcoming cities now, planned or otherwise, are in areas of rapid urbanisation. Even when planners fail, these cities will fill up and the citizen are going to make it their city. They might come after the builders have gone bankrupt, but they will come eventually.

  • ensbb3
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Re: The world in 2030
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 :worried: DC isn't exactly a model for how to do it.

From what I think I know of Brasilia the likelihood of these Utopian cities getting surrounded by districts full of people in no better shape than in the previous city they occupied feels self defeating.

  • Belfrager
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A matter of attitude.

  • ensbb3
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Re: The world in 2030
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The materialist receipt for happiness...

I believe the official title is Saudi Prince.

  • jseaton2311
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Re: The world in 2030
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Always the same thing, f*ck up the world.
Then they ask how's the world by 2030... better, much better indeed... how could we ever lived without a Delhi-Mumbai industrial corridor...


We would be living in a world where a Delhi-Mumbai industrial corridor would be needed (there is serious doubt it would be built by that time) and not one where the Indian subcontinent is a poverty-stricken playground for British colonialists.

If we look at his project list, it can be divided into categories:

New Cities

  • Songdo International Business District (South Korea)

  • Masdar City (United Arab Emirates)

  • Khazar Islands (Azerbaijan)

  • King Abdullah Economic City (Saudi Arabia)


As a consequence of higher population and urbanisation in the world there will be many more cities and megacities, almost all in Asia (most of the world's population) and Africa (highest population growth). As they grow in size and economy, their impact on the world will increase, but the ones to be of influence in 2030 exist now.

Infrastructure

  • Dubai World Central Airport (United Arab Emirates)

  • Tokyo-Osaka Maglev Train (Japan)

  • The Grand Canal (Nicaragua)

  • National Trunk Highway System (China)

  • Delhi-Mumbai Industrial Corridor (India)



Most of these projects would be finished by 2030 or nearby, and while there would be immediate local effects the biggest effects will take longer to materialise.

The exception would be the Chinese highway (and highspeed rail, metro, and airport) network, which is changing China as we speak.

A new Panama canal could also matter, but the change would be less dramatic as there already is a Panama canal.


Technology

  • International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (France)



Whatever the outcome, it won't affect the world of 2030, but it might be of importance by 2040.


Today is today and not yesteryear--punto y aparte.  To the many old fogies here who started and have remained old fogies from age 30 on (look at Oakdale and ersi and Bel and Rj, etc--not Frenzie, tt92, string, smiley faze (too much), mj (too much), drake, jax and several others (who know who they are)--and jimbro is old but pretty much cool).  If one can't keep an optimistic eye to the future without wishing to return to their original little comfy  "nest" they came from, then they are useless to progress--kinda like Republicans.  Not too many people here are optimistic about the future of humankind and it it is reflected in the choice of topics.  I'm done--for now.   :knight:  :cheers:
James J

  • jax
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Re: The world in 2030
Reply #119

The materialist receipt for happiness...


Clearly material things, infrastructure, cities, and technology is matter that matters. Cities are also the living environment for most of us, though what is classified as urban varies from small towns to megacities. From the urbane thread:


Let's start with a map over where the cities are, and where they are going.




or updated for 2030:


Are the cities of the near future and how to move between them all that matters? Of course not. My contention is that most of what will occupy our minds in 2030, and all of the technology, will be apparent today. If something hasn't been invented or studied yet it won't matter in 2030 life.

Politics is a little more unpredictable. Will we have a Clinton for US President 2016-2024 and a Bush 2024-2032, or will we have a Bush 2016-2024 and a Clinton 2024-2032?

Natural disasters are more unpredictable still over such a short time interval. We know there will be some, but not when or where. Will there have been a Big One in California? Would anyone care?

Will there be any wars in 2030 that haven't begun already in 2015? Which of the current wars will have finished?

  • OakdaleFTL
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Re: The world in 2030
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Not too many people here are optimistic about the future of humankind and it it is reflected in the choice of topics.
For some reason, you always seem ready to generalize on the basis of insufficient evidence...
Just sayin', ya know? :)
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  • rjhowie
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Re: The world in 2030
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Population growth is by far the giant problem. Too many being born.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • jax
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Re: The world in 2030
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Except in Britain. Back in 1950 was a great country, the 9th largest in the world and former masters of the universe. In 2030 sluggish population growth in Britain means that it only will be the 21st largest country.

Britain was the world's 9th most populous country in 1950. In 2050 it won't be on the list



Even in 2030 Britain will have a GDP/head higher than the world average, its position in G7 would be precarious. G7 began as the Group of five (Britain, Germany, France, USA, and Japan), but expanded as the British power slid. It was less embarrassing to add new members to create G6, G7, G8 (and back to G7 after a spat with Russia) than to kick out Britain.

Except London, which is well-set to remain a world city for most or all of this century, Britain is sliding into irrelevance. Reform of the UN is that kind of thing that takes decades rather than years, but at some point Britains grandfathered position on the Security Council will be dropped or at the very least diminished. Before 2030? Hardly likely. It is much easier to add new members than to kick the old ones out.

  • jax
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Ahead of Britain today (in addition to the ones shown in the graph): Ethiopia, Egypt, Vietnam, Congo, Iran, Turkey. Tanzania will be larger by 2030, Uganda, Kenya, Iraq, and Sudan by 2050.

Germany and Thailand have falling populations and will drop under UK by 2050 and 2030 respectively, based on current prognosis.

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Reply #124
Will we have a Clinton for US President 2016-2024 and a Bush 2024-2032, or will we have a Bush 2016-2024 and a Clinton 2024-2032?

Clinton starting in 2016 and probably continuing to 2024. Only five presidents failed to be re-elected.

No Bush ever. From the WaPo: "A Quinnipiac poll...showed Bush one point behind Hillary Clinton in the state where he served two terms as a popular governor."