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  • jax
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What's Going on in the Americas?
There are a number of threads from the Old World, any news from the New? Anything American goes.

  • jax
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1050
What happens to Ireland eventually is up to the Irish, but the IRA were vile murderers and terrorists.

Back to the Americas, the continent has produced some pretty unpopular leaders.


Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1051
And the first batch charges against Trump's campaign have been filed the criminals could be taken into custody as early as Monday. I told OakdaleFTL that Trump was impeachment bait.

"What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter."
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  • Frenzie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1052
Do you have a news link? I don't think I've seen anything indicating Trump's impeachment could be quite that imminent.

Edit: oh wait, you said the campaign. Still, a link would be nice. :P

  • rjhowie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1053
Jax, Northern Ireland is British not part of the" Irish."
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1054
Do you have a news link? I don't think I've seen anything indicating Trump's impeachment could be quite that imminent.

Edit: oh wait, you said the campaign. Still, a link would be nice. :P

I doubt it will be Trump himself, but here , it's also in the Atlantic , video from a tv station in Minnesota . We'll see what happens tomorrow. It's not confirmed that there will be arrests, but there's a good possibility.
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  • rjhowie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1055
There are times I get really into sighing when I see some of the internal political immaturity going on re the 'Hill. The stuff that the Russian government interfered with the US Elections. A load of baloney and the media jumps on the bandwagon as well. For the moment I pass on the interference in other countries by the USA and must say that there are intelligent Americans who must groan at the nonsense coming from their political masters. No proof and stretching out for any excuse to condemn Russia as it grows in the world. It is propaganda of a very insulting kind to the intelligence of Americans who are not fooled by the stuff that keeps getting pumped out and aided by the media. No definitive proof and on the so-called charges how would it be done on such a modern country?

Oh I know about the charges against a former Trump staff member but that proves damn nothing in proper assessment. Russia could control US politics or it's system. Immature and I do not think all Americans be be shoved into that label in all fairness.
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  • krake
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1056
Speaking of Trump - that cat doesn't seem to like him :)




  • Belfrager
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1057
Only in America such morrone could be elected president. It seems the local population deserves him.
We are living anarchic times, thanks to it, Chinese conquers the world.

Again, Europe will be the last refuge for the western civilization, America has already collapsed. Not a single alternative for succeeding Europe, just trash. Dollar Trump trash turned into a way of life. Nothing. An immense desert of failure.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #1058
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Donald Trump could make Sinn Fein ally Peter King
Counter-Terror Chief in White House



Lifelong Sinn Féin supporter (R-NY) Congressman Peter King with Gerry Adams


Source:      The Belfast Telegraph     
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A lifetime supporter of Sinn Fein could be in line for a key position in Donald Trump's administration, according to Washington insiders.

Unlike many other mainstream Republican politicians, US Congressman Peter King backed the billionaire businessman during the White House race.

His loyalty to Mr Trump has led to speculation that he could be appointed homeland security advisor - the chief counter-terrorism aide to the President.

The New York Congressman, who has voiced support for the Provisional IRA and is seen as a very close friend of Gerry Adams, is considered one of the most respected experts on terrorism and security on Capitol Hill.

Yesterday's New York Times reported that Mr King was also in the running to be US ambassador to the UN..........

 

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Unwavering Irish-American Support for Sinn Fein & A United Ireland
Americans Welcome Gerry Adams into their Hearts with Open Arms & Standing Applause

  • Last Edit: 2017-10-31, 01:42:49 by SmileyFaze
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  • Frenzie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1059
Speaking of Trump - that cat doesn't seem to like him  :)
Priorities. An enormous TV and no bed.

  • rjhowie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1060
A terrorist speaks.
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  • OakdaleFTL
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1061
Such a selective memory you have, RJ! :) Your government -during the Clinton administration, I believe- accepted the IRA's political arm into the fold... Or was that just the two-faced act of politicians? (Or your corporates? :) )

Here's an interesting article. I can well remember when you'd have applauded the imams... Do you still?

And, answer me this: Who now is the terrorist...? (The question is only hard for a man that doesn't think, and can't feel.)
  • Last Edit: 2017-11-03, 10:26:56 by OakdaleFTL
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  • rjhowie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1062
OakdaleFTL,

I had no time for what the Labour government did creating that fixed government for Ulster. It was an utter disgrace and not democratic at all. I would however remind you that the collapse of the shared government was not caused by Britain but by that Sinn Fein creeps lot using an excuse to pull out of the shared government. The Ulster Unionist Party eventually pulled out of the damn thing and rightly so and the Sinn  Fein did what they did on a nonsense. Why should a shared government be forced on the people? I would also inform you that the Sinn Fein creeps who were elected MP's in the UK parliament in London refuse to sit in it! So much for proper representation as they refuse to take the Royal Oath. They have MP rooms and claims but are as democratic as a dictator. May I also say in passing that their champion here who I assume is not a Marxist due to his background with a corporate party in America is in practice supporting that lot!The impasse in Belfast is their creation and do what they can in a very not hidden very well attitude of control freakery.

Anyway as the thread is supposed to be about America we have drifted far. Oh and the SF has as much chance of ruling the sensible Irish Republic as I have of thinking America is a proper democracy!
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1063
And now now we have yet another mass shooting . This time it was a church in Texas. So far the death toll is 27.
"What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter."
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  • Belfrager
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1064
Does anyone imagine what a spectacle 25 bodies aligned in the ground are?
Stop the barbarism.

There's no emenda that justifies it.
Shoot the emenda first.
A matter of attitude.

  • rjhowie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1065
You are so right about the Amendment farce Belfrager. All it does is make things worse. Another very sad and mind-boggling tragedy.  :(
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  • OakdaleFTL
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1066
We know a little more, now... (Well, some of us do.) We do need to know more.
(I expect, among other things, to learn that the perp was not allowed to buy guns legally; he was dishonorably discharged from the U.S. Air Force in 2014. Does anyone think that that didn't set of alarms?)

Tell me, RJ, has GB "outlawed" lorries yet? (Or venues for pop-music...? Or pressure cookers?)

I understand that the pacific denizens "over there" have mostly given up on the very idea of self defense. And what has been the result?
GB's Bobbies are much more regularly armed. Or they're regularly beheaded...or shot...or run down...
Is it the old "choose your poison" toss of the dice? :(

We here in a great many of the states long ago chose to be armed and willing to defend ourselves.
If that makes you wet your pants, don't visit. (You wouldn't remember why the Japanese during WW II never seriously considered an amphibious assault on the west coast of the U.S. ...) Or just visit the Blue states: Hardly anything bad has happened there, mostly because of their strict gun control! :(

Bah! I now understand Trump's "problem" with NATO: From more than a few of the members, the most we can expect is to hear a "Please help us!" when there's paying to be done. Certainly not all; and certainly not only money. Soldiers are a special breed (Berghdahl, excepted: deserters are unfortunately commonplace...) and I know enough to know that NATO troops are as good as any -- even the Scots.
But I don't want my country to fall down the rabbit hole that has swallowed Europe.

Keep your pacifism as you choose. Preach it to others, as you wish. Try to impose it -any way you think you can: You'll be disabused -- about Americans.
Don't tread on us.
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1067
So far the death toll is 27.
I'd rather not count the perpetrator, Sang: When you lose your soul, you life is meaningless. Which is to say -not to put too fine a point on it- it doesn't count...
It's only "statistics," or as we used to call 'em: Evidence. No matter.
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"As the suspect left the church," Martin said, "a bystander retrieved a rifle and began firing at the shooter, who dropped his Ruger and drove away."
"Our local citizen pursued the suspect at that time," Martin said.
As law enforcement responded, the suspect drove off a roadway at the Wilson County/Guadalupe County line, Martin said. He was found "deceased in his vehicle," he said, but officials were not immediately certain if the fatal wound came from a self-inflicted gunshot or from the person pursuing him.
(from Sang's USA Today link...)
Belfrager had a sensible comment, but he posted in the wrong thread... :) If he doesn't find the time to move it himself, I'll do it for him.

We all know: The media coverage and political jockeying is going to be about the 2nd Amendment. Heck, the USA Today story included he "got out of his vehicle [] and began firing at the church[] with a Ruger assault-type rifle."
So: It had a collapsable stock... Ooh! Scary.
It was painted black!
It was a "semi-automatic" -- which means it wasn't a flintlock, a derringer, a revolver or a sniper's rifle. (For those of you who don't know, that means it was simply a modern weapon: Pull the trigger once, one bullet is fired.) We had a ban on such "scary" weapons for ten years, to no effect -- every level of law enforcement determined.

But -as the jihadis know, too: Fear is not rational, as a basis for policy
(BTW: The "good Samaritan" who -by the latest reports, killed the attacker- used a similar weapon to take him down: Yes, an "assault" rifle. For us here in the western United States -many of us, at any rate- it's a "you say po-tah-to, I say po-tay-to" kind of dilemma. Well, for Democrats... I, personally, don't care if he took him down with a bazooka.
Or even Bel's choke-chain.

(My guess: It's a domestic dispute/domestic violence type crime. Where's SVU when you need them? The last pertinent tidbit I heard was that his ex-wife had a PO Box in the town... Did she have family there?)
Police investigations take time; and they aren't usually made public soon.
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1068
The Daily Beast   has more info on him. You mention he was discharged dishonorably, but more specifically he was court martial for assaulting his wife and child. So it's true that he couldn't own a firearm directly, but Law Center provides clues how he could have  gotten the gun anyway:

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Federal law requires federally licensed firearms dealers (but not private sellers) to initiate a background check on the purchaser prior to sale of a firearm.
Notice what's in parentheses and reiterated in the last paragraph.
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1069
I read the article you linked to, Sang... It's Texas, after all. But Kelley's guns may have been bought illegally, or stolen. We'll have to wait and see.
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1070
Oh, I know. But that is a glaring way to around the restriction on against buying guns.
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1071
Now we do know.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/06/news/companies/ruger-ar-556-ar-15/index.html

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The man identified by law enforcement sources as the gunman in Texas, Devin Patrick Kelley, bought the rifle from a sporting goods store in San Antonio in April 2016, a law enforcement official told CNN.
When Kelley filled out the background check paperwork at the store, he checked the box to indicate he didn't have any disqualifying criminal history, the official said.
Governor Greg Abbott said the gunman tried to get a license to carry in Texas but was denied.

So my hypothesis was incorrect, but why didn't his domestic violence charge come up in the background check?

"What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter."
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  • rjhowie
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1072
The really deep and traditionally deep problem is a national one involving psychological weakness in the population.  These things are as routine as proverbial clockwork and created an awful long time ago as the country was historically evolving growing up. Even the President has publicly said on television there is a wide mental issue.The wideness of the killing and the standard routine mass killing sprees I am afraid emphasise this. We will always get excuse for the gun carnage based on long gone history and the inability in exercising maturity.

None of the matter is going away and the excusers for guns keep up this false foundation in a past that had long gone and failed to adapt to progress like other progressive countries. i have friends in California and they get so frustrated at the near fanaticism on guns and "rights" that make a mockery of principles and those with wider minds who constantly keep the massacres going.  :(
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  • OakdaleFTL
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
Reply #1073
failed to adapt to progress like other progressive countries
We are not yet committed to becoming a "progressive" country, RJ! (I expect your California friends live in the Bay Area... :) )
why didn't his domestic violence charge come up in the background check?
Also, why his Dishonorable Bad Conduct Discharge didn't.
Ask the FBI. They perform such background checks.
But the simple answer is that a bureaucrat screwed up... Nothing new.

A similar thing happened fairly recently:
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FBI Director James Comey said the man accused of killing nine people in a Charleston, S.C., church should never have been allowed to purchase a weapon.

Comey said flaws in paperwork and communication between a federal background check worker and state law enforcement allowed Dylann Roof to buy a handgun in South Carolina on April 16 -- weeks before he allegedly attacked black churchgoers in a failed attempt to fuel a race war.

"We are all sick that this has happened," Comey told reporters Friday. "We wish we could turn back the clock. ... What we can do is make sure we learn from it, get better."
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The motive there was reminiscent of good ole Charlie Manson..."in a failed attempt to fuel a race war": People keep trying. Their problem seems to be persistent: Neither whites nor blacks think a "race war" is a good idea.
The few that do are considered kooks by almost everyone... That's a good thing, isn't it?
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Re: What's Going on in the Americas?
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