in my opinion it is extremely important that NATO supports an Islamic country ( I don't know if they still have the secular regime Ata Turk has founded).
NATO is a defence alliance, not a social or cultural alliance. It was an alliance against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact. In this century it has been more a counter to Russia.
Turkey's role in the Cold War was obvious, but the country is important these days as well. It is better to look to the Black Sea rather than the Mediterranean, though clearly both are important.
There are three major powers around the Black Sea, Russia, the EU and Turkey. And we got Ukraine and Georgia as well.
...we either got EU + Turkey vs Russia, EU + Russia vs Turkey, or Turkey + Russia vs EU, and the first alternative is more attractive than the last.
Turkey is secular just fine. But also Islamic. It may be a good idea to include an Islamic country, but it was not a good idea to include both Turkey and Greece at the same time. Other Islamic countries besides Turkey tend to be too far from "North Atlantic".Due to the Armenian genocide and Cyprus and Kurdish conflicts, Turkey should have never been given any hope nor any significant privileges with regard to the EU. Just to be honest. But yes, politics and diplomacy are not honest, so I consistently fail at this art.
Erdogan has made a lot of enemies, and lost a number of friends, but he is politically flexible. He is going to do whatever keeps him in power.
While the perspective and priorities differ, US and EU are much more aligned than you would expect two blocks to be. And in the fuzzy things, values, they are even closer, and they are converging, not diverging.
It is to keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down.- Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay NATO's first Secretary General
On the purpose of NATO: "To keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down."
Quote from: jax on 2020-09-08, 00:03:58While the perspective and priorities differ, US and EU are much more aligned than you would expect two blocks to be. And in the fuzzy things, values, they are even closer, and they are converging, not diverging.I expect you're right, jax(BTW: Who is James?)
If there were a US/EU divorce, NATO would still exist as a (likely French-dominated) European army.
James Monroe, your number 5.
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