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  • jax
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The Awesomesauce of the American 2020 Presidential Elections
For those of us that enjoy the American spectacle every leap year and the fulfilment and joy that comes with it. Who's in, who's out? Who'll win and who'll claim it's all rigged? Who'll have the best party and who the longest hangover?

  • ersi
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Re: The Awesomesauce of the American 2020 Presidential Elections
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So, Oakdale, you are here on this forum for profound competent fair and balanced political analysis, not snarky sneer? Then why do you only provide snarky sneer yourself? :)

Anyway, Trump of course can't contain himself, which is one of the few consistent things about him https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-claims-victory-states-undecided-supreme-court-white-house

  • Frenzie
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Re: The Awesomesauce of the American 2020 Presidential Elections
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Der Spiegel trying to clickbait the lede or something? That first sentence strikes me as almost Trumpishly inaccurate.
Democracy in the United States has long been regarded as the great, shining example for many countries around the world. No longer. That U.S. President Donald Trump would prematurely declare himself the winner of the presidential election and accuse his political opponents of fraud, even though hundreds of thousands of ballots still haven't been counted, is grotesque, absurd -- and anti-democratic.

  • krake
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Specially if we consider that besides having two decide between two intellectual nullities to command their national destiny ...
It's more on stake than only the national destiny of a country.
One of those "nullities" is the proclaimed leader of the civilized world while the other one might become his successor.

  • ersi
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Der Spiegel trying to clickbait the lede or something? That first sentence strikes me as almost Trumpishly inaccurate.
Nah, it's just reflecting the way American media reports about it. Also Fox understood that Trump declared victory. Having given it a listen on Youtube, I'd say Trump's message comes across as a mixture of triumph and defiant refusal to acknowledge the results.

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The word 'democracy' is yakked about in the US of A but in practice and history a farce.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Frenzie
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"Highly competitive elections in US tarnished by legal uncertainty and unprecedented attempts to undermine public trust, international observers say"
https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/469440

  • rjhowie
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Yes highly competitive an election but a farce in a way regarding broad balance and common sense. In addition I am fed up to the teeth with that election going on and on in our media and for heavens sake even concentrated programmes on the media about it. Makes that country look daft to put it mildly.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Colonel Rebel
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Re: The Awesomesauce of the American 2020 Presidential Elections
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To Herr Trumpenfuehrer:

https://youtu.be/T33U5kLn9QA

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The word 'democracy' is yakked about in the US of A but in practice and history a farce.

The American Founding Fathers truly despised Democracy, & the mere thought of their new American Nation they founded ever becoming a Democracy infuriated them to no end.

America is NOT a Democracy, & it was NEVER Intended to be one. America is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, merely incorporating some Democratic Principals.

When you hear Americans saying they have a Democracy......it isn't a true Democracy they're speaking of, it's only an American version/type/form of Democracy.....not a true "Majority Rules" Democracy practiced elsewhere.






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     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

  • Frenzie
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When you hear Americans saying they have a Democracy......it isn't a true Democracy they're speaking of, it's only an American version/type/form of Democracy.....not a true "Majority Rules" Democracy practiced elsewhere.
Elsewhere practices representative democracy with separation of powers, checks and balances, and so on. Not direct democracy. What a lot of elsewhere doesn't practice is winner takes all.

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So it starts making sense.
He's the President of the United States - not of the United People. Hence, he is elected by the states, not by the people.
Well, it's still nonsense anyway, but it seems somewhat coherent at least.

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Re: The Awesomesauce of the American 2020 Presidential Elections
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Here's where it stands today:
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Six states to decide the election
Joe Biden is now the favorite to win the presidency, and Republicans are favored to keep Senate control -- but both results are far from certain. And Democrats failed to win the resounding victory that pre-election polls had suggested they could.

Here's where we stand after a topsy-turvy election night, in which the situation shifted multiple times:

The outcome is unclear in six swing states -- Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- and all are still counting votes. We may get some final vote counts today, while others could take a few days.
"Biden's the favorite, even if narrowly, just about everywhere," Nate Cohn of The Times tweeted, listing five of the six states above (all but North Carolina). Sean Trende of RealClearPolitics agreed: "Would probably rather be Biden than Trump."
The outstanding ballots are mostly mail-in ballots, which are likely to favor Biden, because more Democrats than Republicans voted early this year. He leads in the current vote count in Nevada and Wisconsin, while Trump leads in the remaining four. "I don't think people have fully internalized how Democratic these mail and absentee ballots will be in MI/PA/WI," Nate wrote.
If Biden holds onto his lead in Nevada and Wisconsin, he would need to win only one of three states -- Georgia, Michigan or Pennsylvania -- to secure a majority of electoral votes (and could still lose North Carolina).
The counting of ballots seems likely to be slowest in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Officials in Pennsylvania have said they expect all votes to be counted by Friday.
Even with Biden's seeming advantages at this point, the country has never experienced an election with such heavy voting by mail, which creates significant uncertainty. It is entirely possible that Trump will retain his lead in the states where he now leads and win the election.

The situation in the Senate is different -- and more favorable to Republicans. They appear to be in a strong position to retain Senate control, which would give them a veto over nearly all of a President Biden's legislative plans.
Democrats needed to win at least five of the 14 competitive Senate races and have so far won only two. Six races remain up in the air. The only incumbent Republicans to have lost are Martha McSally in Arizona and Cory Gardner in Colorado.
[New York Times, newsletter... :)}
As many people (and organizations) have noted, the "news" stations do not determine the outcome of the election. No matter how much they want to...

@Barulheira: You've got it right. I wish some others would grasp the simplicity of the matter: The U.S. is not nor was it ever meant to be a democracy... But it can be and often is a united people.
Wait and see.
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  • Colonel Rebel
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Re: The Awesomesauce of the American 2020 Presidential Elections
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President-elect Joe Biden gains 132 more votes from Milwaukee after Trump campaign pays $3 million for another recount.

https://www.tmj4.com/news/election-2020/biden-netted-132-extra-votes-after-milwaukee-county-recount