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  • Belfrager
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The weekend post
I've noticed that, except me, most of you don't post too much at weekends.
I don't want to know the reason for.

So, this is the thread with a new concept of subject. It doesn't have a defined subject but a defined time lag.
You can post whatever subject you want but only at "leisure time", at the weekend.

Post modernism arrived at DnD. New experimentations for meta - forums.
I hope this thread to be a total failure.
A matter of attitude.

  • jax
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Re: The weekend post
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@jax How did you manage to botch the yle.fi link? http://"https:0... <-- what the hell is this?

The WYSIWYG editor did. Fixed now.

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Re: The weekend post
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I'm slightly surprised that Poland is in favor of abolishing DST, seeing how Central European time was practically invented for them. Only the easternmost edge of Poland falls in UTC+2. Over here we're at UTC, meaning even winter time puts us one hour[1] ahead of solar time. Estonia and Finland are in somewhat similar positions, over half an hour ahead of solar time.

Anyway, we (Benelux, France, Spain) are affected worse since we're already living in perpetual DST. Where can I find out who voted for and against this @$#@#$ WW1 fossil?

You must mean Eastern European Time. Practically all of the EU is at Central European Time, with some Western outliers (Ireland and Portugal) and some Eastern outliers (Finland, Baltic States, Romania). Countries tend to prefer a time zone more eastern than the one closest to have 12:00 at noon on average. Prague is close to 15°E (nominally CET), St. Petersburg, Kiev, and Istanbul to 30°E (nominally EET). The reason, just as with summer time, is to maximise daytime hours.

So, getting rid of summer time, the most attractive option for most would be permanent summer time. In other words EET for countries currently on CET. That would give Finland, the Baltic States and the rest on EET a choice. Do they want to be on permanent summer time as well, or permanent winter time, in effect putting these countries on the same time zone as most of the EU.
57 minutes to be precise, according to https://time.is/Antwerp

  • jax
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Re: The weekend post
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Europe, even Southern Europe, is far north on the planet. The daylight variability during the year far outweigh the difference in time zones.

  • Frenzie
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Re: The weekend post
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You must mean Eastern European Time.
I have no idea what you're driving at. Warsaw is at -10 minutes, Lublin -16 and Wroclaw at +6. Poland is Central Europe and CET is their time zone. The only reason we use CET is because Nazi Germany forced us to in 1940.[1] CET is quite literally Nazi Time.

Spain is also on Nazi Time, but that's because Franco was a big fan who wanted to show off his allegiance. Nobody forced them.

The reason, just as with summer time, is to maximise daytime hours.
I'm fairly sure that we have summer (or in deceptive English, "daylight saving") time today because of the completely unfounded claim that it saves energy, which was important during the '70s oil crisis so they were desperate to try anything.
Us meaning the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.

  • ersi
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Re: The weekend post
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The only reason we use CET is because Nazi Germany forced us to in 1940.[1] CET is quite literally Nazi Time.

Spain is also on Nazi Time, but that's because Franco was a big fan who wanted to show off his allegiance. Nobody forced them.
Are you saying it's a bad thing because the Nazis did it? Here's another thing for you to consider, the Stalinist decree time that involved turning the clock one hour ahead, permanently, to save daylight time, so that people wake up and go to work in daylight and waste less electricity.

The superiority of this idea is in that the clocks were turned ahead once and for all, not twice a year. It cannot bother anyone much what the clock shows, but it bothers everyone a lot when you have to turn the clock back and forth twice a year.
Us meaning the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, and France.

  • Belfrager
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Re: The weekend post
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The worst thing for me is to have dinner while there's still daylight.
A matter of attitude.

  • Frenzie
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Re: The weekend post
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Are you saying it's a bad thing because the Nazis did it?
Facetiously, yes. More seriously, their concern was ease of administration across the Third Reich and whether the time on the clock matters depends on to what extent the clock dictates your working hours. That is, does having the same timezone mean we all start work at 8:00 or does it mean it just makes our conversations easier? There is some slight support for this notion. I understand that in Germany school can start at 7:30, whereas here in Flanders school starts at 8:00 at the earliest. Our perception of Germans as early risers and Spaniards as late sleepers goes back to that. At the same time (har, har), Spaniards definitely suffer the most from their stupid timezone, although a lot of it is cultural. This whole timezone and clock shifting business is basically just an attempt to short-circuit culture.

The superiority of this idea is in that the clocks were turned ahead once and for all, not twice a year. It cannot bother anyone much what the clock shows, but it bothers everyone a lot when you have to turn the clock back and forth twice a year.
Probably, but there are two parts to it. Switching to DST is freaking terrible. That probably can't be too different anywhere. But I wonder if switching back to "winter time" feels like quite the same level of relief in Poland. Basically DST feels utterly wrong to me and pretty much keeps on doing so until we switch back to normal time. The switch back to winter time isn't just unproblematic, but welcome.

Anyway, perpetual DST seems okay, I guess. Just as long as everyone understands that we are in perpetual DST.

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Argentina is in perpetual DST
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  • jax
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Re: The weekend post
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Are you saying it's a bad thing because the Nazis did it?
Napoleon has a few things to answer for as well.

The natural variability is more significantly where we live. The Earth's orbit isn't circular, The distance to the Sun varies through the year. The Earth's axis of rotation is tilted. The Earth isn't a sphere. Most of us don't live at the equator. The whole thing wobbles a bit.

Most of these effects are so minute we wouldn't notice. A solar day varies with about a minute during a year, the solar noon with half an hour.

The southernmost point on the mainland in the EU is Punta de Tarifa in Spain at 32°N, further south than Gibraltar, and south of the northernmost point of Africa at 37°N. Even at that point the summer day is five hours longer than the winter day.  Since Norway is not in the EU (and Greenland not in the mainland), the northernmost point in the EU is Nuorgam in Finland, at 70°N. There the sun is up from 16 May to 28 July. Most of Europe is between those extremes, but seasonal fluctuations far outweigh the time zone differences.

This map shows the difference between nominal solar noon (which as mention can differ quite significantly from real solar noon) and longitude. The prevalence of red shows that most pick long nights over bright mornings. Where I am. Södertälje, is one of the few (slightly) green areas in Europe (now, at 17:24 CET, it's nautical twilight).




Single-hour time zones don't do major time difference, and it is a significant boon not having to change time zone just by moving a little bit or talking to someone on the other side of the border. 

My suggestion would be for those on CET to be on perpetual summer time, and those on EET to be on perpetual winter time. That would lead to all of mainland EU being in the same time zone (in effect EET, or UTC+2). For Finland, Estland, and the rest that would mean no summertime, but being on European time. 

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Re: Argentina is in perpetual DST
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Argentina is in perpetual DST.
A Wikipedia page titled "Time in Argentina". There's a special Argentinian time. Time runs differently when you are in Argentina.

  • Barulheira
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Time in Argentina
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He knows it.

  • rjhowie
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Re: The weekend post
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 :faint:
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Belfrager
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Re: The weekend post
Reply #37
Barulheira is in Carnival in Rio, instead going to bed with wonderful women he posts imbecilities at DnD.
This way next year DnD will go to Brasilian Carnival..,.
A matter of attitude.

  • rjhowie
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Re: The weekend post
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Hope this is not the fault of nutjobland as they have enough to apologise for.........
"Quit you like men:be strong"

  • Barulheira
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Posting imbecilities
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he posts imbecilities at DnD.
Yes, I prefer to join you all. :cheers:

  • Frenzie
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Re: The weekend post
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I'll just drop color time here.

http://www.phrenopolis.com/colorclock/
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We can simply decide that at some particular point, the time is "orange," everywhere on the planet. Later on it will be yellow, green, teal, blue, maroon, and so on, and eventually orange again. In my part of the world, people tend to wake up in the blue range, eat lunch around lavender and get off work at orange, but elsewhere it may be that you wake up at yellow and have dinner at purple. Neither seems to make more sense than the other, which is exactly the point. And then if we want to have a phone call, we can arrange to speak at thirty minutes past indigo, and there is no confusion about exactly when that means.

It sounds more attractive than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

  • Belfrager
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Re: The weekend post
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I'll just drop color time here.
I like the idea but grey at noon?? never.
Besides the blueish tones are in the morning, the redish at afternoon, the clock is deeply wrong.

It has some brilliant things, ten to blue, half past pink....
A matter of attitude.