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  • rjhowie
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If the Confederates had won.....!
A great man years ago now  I took a passing interest in the American Civil War and once mused on what things would have been like if the South had won. Recently I cam across a paperback book on that very subject and was interesting in what could have happened in such a situation. Just a pity the South lost their chance of independence. Was interesting to read.
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  • Belfrager
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what things would have been like if the South had won.
A Trump with slaves. Not too much different from the actual Trump.
A matter of attitude.

  • rjhowie
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 :lol:
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  • OakdaleFTL
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Recently I cam across a paperback book on that very subject and was interesting in what could have happened in such a situation.
As usual, you can't be bothered to mention your sources...
More than a few competent authors have written on the subject.
My favorite remains Harry Turtledove. But many others had interesting takes...
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  • ersi
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Recently I cam across a paperback book on that very subject and was interesting in what could have happened in such a situation.
As usual, you can't be bothered to mention your sources...
That's how RJ does sources: It was a paperback book on that very subject and was interesting. When you are a book reader then you run across that paperback book on that very subject and it's interesting. Just like when RJ sees stuff on tv, then it's not a fantasy as the television viewer world knows too well.

  • Frenzie
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I also came across an interesting paperback book recently. It was about Japanese scientists in Indonesia. :P

  • rjhowie
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Be as snooty as you want ersi and treat the subject with some high degree of nonsense. Why you are moaning about not knowing the book on a subect from the 19th century is silly.  Anyway to stop you crying..."If the South had Won the CIVIL WAR" by MacKinlay Kantor. (groan  :faint: )
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  • Belfrager
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There are no valuable sources about the EUA. Intellectual honesty is not a value at such place. Being rich is the goal.
Capitalism at it's best.

Other different thing is the American policy of hiring the best intellectual authors from all the world and pay them to produce quality work as if it was produced by the US.
They need to be the world's capital of science and art.

With Trump I believe they've changed priorities...
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A matter of attitude.

  • rjhowie
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Before we start wandering away fro the Civil War I would still say that it was unfortunate that the 13 Southern States did not win a d in an amusing passing thought that the Confederates had a flag basis which was roughly maybe taken from the Scots saltire one! I dare say in time the North and South would have slowly got on with each other and could have been a much different US of A in the future. A pity for the grey clad what happened.
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  • ensbb3
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There are no valuable sources about the EUA.
Common use of the Latin languages' pronunciations passed centuries ago. :P
Other different thing is the American policy of hiring the best intellectual authors from all the world and pay them to produce quality work as if it was produced by the US.
Or, there was a time when smart people got out of Europe. And, they stood to turn a hefty profit at their craft in América.

I mean, unless you wanna source that?
Capitalism at it's best.
I feel like you get it, tho.

thought that the Confederates had a flag basis which was roughly maybe taken from the Scots saltire one!

Tennessee had quite a few Scots settle here, however, not one of the more enthusiastic southern States. Kentucky's another big one for Scots, up into Indiana and Ohio to a lesser extent. (Turns out us and the bluegrass state have good waters for whiskey.) So it's unlikely the Scottish Flag played much of a role. Although, the stars and bars you think of as a rebel flag was not the Confederate flag as such. That's a bastardized version of a battle flag and was rejected by the CSA. If that battle flag was one of a Scottish regiment, I don't know. 

  • ersi
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Anyway to stop you crying..."If the South had Won the CIVIL WAR" by MacKinlay Kantor. (groan  :faint: )
Amazingly it was possible to get you out of your ordinary character and to cite the source. However, quite in character, you do it groaningly.

Anyway, this is the summary of the book Oakdale mentioned, a different book:


Edit: Well, I could have said: I saw a video on YT on that very subject and was interesting.
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  • rjhowie
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Load of sophisticated nonsense dear man and is a passing distraction from my theme that I wish the CSA HAD won. As they would have shouted away back then....yee haw..... :up:
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  • Mr. Tennessee
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I also came across an interesting paperback book recently. It was about Japanese scientists in Indonesia.
I have the hard copy of that book. A North Korean is working on a documentary on the subject.
I can't wait.

  • Frenzie
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I have the hard copy of that book. A North Korean is working on a documentary on the subject.
I can't wait.
I was only half-joking. The novel is El imperio de Yegorov by Manuel Moyano.

  • rjhowie
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Typical of you Mr dodging.
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  • jax
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My favorite remains Harry Turtledove. But many others had interesting takes...
Turtledove is considered a classic, or maybe rather pioneer, in alternative history. Never read, almost certainly never will.

If I had been local, it might be different, but the US doesn't score that high up on civil wars in history. The US civil war is interesting and important mind you, but not enough to gobble up several massive Turtletomes. Maybe HBO could segue from Game of Thrones (War of Roses) to the US Civil war. It would certainly be more exciting if we add more sex and dragons. (Of course this is already in the works.)

Twitter is more my form for history, now I follow the first European civil war, the #Thirty Years War that started here in Prague 400 years and a fortnight ago, with the second defenestration of Prague. It will end May 2048, with the Tweets of Westphalia, assuming Twitter as a platform will last that long. 

Scenarios is probably the most productive way of doing alternative histories, and many historians do that. Scenarios are collections of best guesses, both of mechanisms and outcomes. And they are usually short enough that I would read them.

  • rjhowie
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Doubt if the alternative ones you talk about would have had the same effect in today's world if the grey uniformed folk had won. Sad they didn't.  :down:
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  • jax
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The Thirty Years War hadn't happen if the South had won the war?

  • rjhowie
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I'll not let you get worried about stretching your grey cells.The world would have had a great chance of being a different place without the damn US of nutjobland trying to run or control it!  :happy:
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