God is a logically necessary metaphysical foundation of everything for intellectuals who see or seek reason and rationality everywhere.
There are many ways of "not reading" the Bible, my friend.
What interests me here is the relationship between a promising theory of the physical world and religion, being religion considered at both the philosophical approach and the established, organized religion's approach.Everything is energy and there's nothing but energy. Okay, where's God?
Two possible answers:1) as ever,in order to create the world (in this case, energy) God has necessarily to be "out of this world". It's not possible to be part of its own creation. Nothing changes from the classic theories and God keeps on being an "entity" with exactly the same logical needed attributes.
How does the spiritual world goes along with the continuum theory? that's a nice question.
JS, you have some problem with my conclusion and you keep going on about it, but you are not addressing any of my premises. This is precisely the wrong way to do it. Try again. Try it the right way.
today where quantum particles and their behavior is all but solved.
You are right that you can build a legitimate doctrine around the concept of Logos and I admit that such doctrine would not lend itself to easy interpretation in terms of the continuum theory. I personally don't see how to reconcile them and this is one of the reasons why my focus is on the concept of spirit instead, not Logos. Logos sounds instrumental. Spirit sounds fundamental. Everybody takes whatever works for them, and I've taken spirit.
nstead of energy, or maybe in addition to energy and space (omnipresence), think of it as omniscience and omnipotence. It cannot be bottled up. When you think you are bottling it up as energy, then who is bottling it up? It's the same spirit on the subject side of the metaphysical equation who is allowing experiments on the object side through your instrumentality. You can bottle up nuclear energy alright, and the explosion looks stunning to the eyes, to all the senses, but this only blinds you to the power on the subject side which enables all this.
First, I'm sure we understand classic theories differently. Is it Newtonian physics or Aristotelian cosmology for you? Among European traditions, Neoplatonism stands closest to me, and this is different from Newtonian and Aristotelian views.
Second, God is not an entity. More specifically, not an entity among others.
It's precisely metaphysics, not physics, which enables a razor-sharp distinction of God and the universe, and at the same time reconciles the distinction with God's omnipresence. Physics cannot do this.
Now, had you asked how the spiritual world goes along with the physical world, what's the distinction and what's the relation, I would be interested to answer at length. But you didn't ask.
It seems to me that you possibly understood the continuum theory as a mere physics theory. Wrong impression. Continuum is more like a universal philosophical concept, readily applicable to math, social sciences, physics, anywhere really. To spirituality too. I personally did not pick it up from any book. I was born with it. Then I had to struggle hard with Newtonian atomistic physics in school, which forced me to gradually clarify and elaborate the continuum theory until I understood its full implications.
I see your dichotomy Logos/Spirit - instrumental/fundamental only valid as if Logos being defined as the rational nature of Spirit. I'm not certain if you wanted to mean it that way.
You're forgetting the fourth characteristic of God besides omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence (as so frequently people do). He has to be Good.Does God needs to be good with the continuum theory? I don't know.. The continuum extirpates God from moral values, I'm afraid.
As you know, after man start looking into the the world of the infinitely small, where laws from "our scale" doesn't apply anymore, you can't be a physicist without having a deep interest about philosophical issues.
For now, what turns really interesting is that you seem to be a "continuum mystical".Some things never change, the moment this theory appears and there's already divisions.
It's a very good article.
@jseaton2311 - You quote me wrongly.
That's exactly what blessed Ruysbroek says. He puts a check on himself referring to church's authority. What's your reaction? I personally prefer uninhibited individual quest.
None of us knows what was to be alive at the thirteen century, none of us knows what was the relationship people from that time had with liberty for start and even less with religion or the Holy Mother Church.We also don't know what a thirteen century man would think about "uninhibited".
History of Mentalities is a very recent and very promising area of Historical Studies exactly because it aims to let us learn about what was to be alive at those remote times.
Just the other day, you mentioned the Catholic Church as a place were each one could chose from a variety of Orders, kind of a spiritual gourmet menu... I'm certain we have very nice contemplative Orders where you can feel totally uninhibited for your quest. Ah, no forums I'm afraid, social mysticism hasn't arrived yet.
This sort of stuff is really for contemplation alone, [...]
Quote from: ersi on 2014-06-19, 06:19:53This sort of stuff is really for contemplation alone, [...]Not exactly... most of those Orders have strange ideas about sanctity through manual work... you'll have to sweat a lot while digging at the monastery garden...
All that is made always under the supervision of Priests and in strict accordance with the Church rules and guides.You wouldn't like it.
Well... you seem to have your homework well done Ersi... [...]In fact, is more than accept celibacy, is to desire it. Desiring no desire.
I've done my homework on this point too. And done it well.
We teach that all people are of the same worth and we encourage relationships of love as big as life itself. It doesn't diminish the value of the traditional marriage when the protection provided by means of marriage is also provided to same-sex couples.
When one works for Ikea, but agrees only to sell tables and not stools, one may still be an excellent table salesman, but it's unlikely to progress much in career this way.
A problem with institutional religion is lack of commitment to principles.
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