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  • jax
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What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
So what is happening in those barely populated areas linked to the North Atlantic ocean?

  • rjhowie
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You will all note that my description of Luxor is valid in that he has never yet been able to contend with the practical problems the Nationalist are causing and instead avoids them. He is typical of the would-be intellectuals who cannot answer the direct political challenge and instead swipe and and simply emotional.,  As for our democracy being somehow deficit like in the ex-colonies that is of course a desperation fromthe mjsmsprt50's and OakdaleFTL's of that country. Scotland is far more democratic than America and a better system. Even on the subject of the Referendum just try and see if that was ever to happen in the good ole US of A - no chance.

The Luxor mentality speaks for itself by just holding onto a cause but unable to answer the charges against it. It thus gives a choice of ignorance or on the other hand, incapability of the negatives. Intelligent Uncle Sams of who there are many can see his failings and inability to deal with the hard facts.  Thankfully the Us hermit and the Windy City man seem unable to see the obvious.
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  • jax
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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Seemingly not only Candidate Sanders and the Scottish separatists yearning to break free of the British yoke look to Norway, British separatists yearning to break free of the EU yoke do so as well. This is of course due to Norway's semi-independent relationship to the EU.

Cameron tells anti-EU campaigners: 'Norway option' won't work for Britain
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The prime minister, who has faced strong pressure from pro-European Tories to highlight the benefits of the UK's EU membership, will speak out during an appearance at the Northern Future Forum in Reykjavik, Iceland.

He will use the chance of a summit in a European capital outside the EU to issue a point-by-point challenge to the claim by the Leave campaign that Britain could negotiate a credible relationship with Brussels from outside the EU.

Cameron will focus on the "Norwegian option", often cited by the Leave campaign, which has allowed Oslo to enjoy access to the single market without joining the EU.

"The prime minister believes it is important to highlight the questions Britain would face if it left the EU and followed Norway's model," a No 10 source said. Downing Street pointed out that Norway is the 10th largest contributor to the EU budget and is bound by the rules of the single market without any say in the decision-making process.


The PM is right incidentally. Norway would have little to no say in the EU, inside or outside the Union, but Britain is one of the three countries that determine EU policies.

  • rjhowie
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You are only giving a part answer regarding Norway and you are therefore a bit wrong in the direction you are going. Norway has often to dish out as much as us must accept whatever is decided in Brussels and has no possibility of challenging anything due to not being a member so it is not that great a corner in practice. Id Gt Britain came out of the corrupt EU there is no way we would be shunned as our economy is stoo strong for Europe to get hyped about. So i don't want that Scandinavian farce I just want out. Years are passing and the place is still in a financial and political shambles and as I stated a while back for well over a decade the books have never been cleared legally due to "inconsistencies."
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  • jax
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We'll see if my old scenario plays out: The UK secedes from the EU, giving Scotland cause to secede from the UK and rejoin the EU.

(Alternatively: The separatists fail to win the poll because of Scottish votes to remain in the Union in the Union. Rump-UK would have a majority for leaving, leading for calls from the separatists that Rump-UK should leave Scotland.)

If Catalonia leaves Spain can it join the UK?

Then there is the "nothing happens" alternative.


  • rjhowie
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O do not think it should just be routinely accepted that Scotland would want to be in the EU. The people led by that Sturgeon woman do not represent all Scotland......

And anyway not so long ago the Orkney & Shetland Isles of the far north coast raised the possibility of them seceding from an independent Scotland! The idea can go a long way, eh?
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Reply #255
O do not think it should just be routinely accepted that Scotland would want to be in the EU.

What are your thoughts on EU membership? The economic benefits are significant. What is the downside?

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Groan. I have always said that I want out the EU.  Anyway the membership costs a damn lot of money and control after control over so much from law to everday things. There is no way if Gt Britain was to come out of the European mess that we would suffer. Our economy is 5th in the world and there is no way thatEurope would want us to be not dealing with them in business and commercially - plus the london finance side is strong as well as our present financial state of things. Great steps in employment, zero inflation and so on. So there is no possible scene where would not still trade because Europe will not want to lost it but we would have billions more to spend here than in a system that is finacially disgusting. May I also remind that it is long years sine the EU has ever got a clearance on it's books? 

I am glad we kept the pound and that wisdom is evident as Europe is still in a messed state with the Euro. Neither do we want continued political closeness. May i also inform you that when we had the original Referendum many decades ago it was for a trade agreement not a political State which it has subtly become. Europe is fine for millions of Britons including the less well off to get to for holidays but increased influence by a shaky system is something else.
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The economic benefits are significant.

I believe most Americans thinks so, but that's profoundly wrong. The EU was made for German with industry and France with agriculture to vampirize all the other members.
Then German pissed off in France and now they rule alone, into another european suicide, as Germany is specialist on doing.

And that was the best lesson you could ever learn about europe. Directly from an european specialist.
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A matter of attitude.

  • rjhowie
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Used to want to rule with leather jackboots but now it is financial ones.
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  • jax
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What are your thoughts on EU membership? The economic benefits are significant. What is the downside?
The ones in business tend to be overwhelmingly pro-EU. The unemployed and economically unproductive tend to be against.

  • rjhowie
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Someone should inform the wee woman in high heels that is my First Minister that.
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The ones in business tend to be overwhelmingly pro-EU. The unemployed and economically unproductive tend to be against.

You mean Belfrager and company?

  • Belfrager
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The ones in business tend to be overwhelmingly pro-EU. The unemployed and economically unproductive tend to be against.

You mean Belfrager and company?

Yes, poets, philosophers and artists. Proudly "unproductive". :)

Ah, History analysis and political sience also seems to be "unemployed and economically unproductive"...
Human Rights are also highly economically unproductive.  Not to speak about Sex, certainly a waste of economically productive time...
:zzz:

As snoring.
A matter of attitude.

  • krake
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Not to speak about Sex, certainly a waste of economically productive time...

Not if done 'properly' the church way... (without rubber johnny or other tricks)

  • rjhowie
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I'm sure that in the time of the Pope who died after several weeks (decent one before that John Paul knuckle-dragger) and was investigating the Vatican Bank corruption was surprised. Seems it had a big share investement in Italy's condom production!   :yikes:
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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I guess it's all about what pays.

At any rate, if one can believe in gods, one can pay attention to popes.

I've given up on both.

  • Belfrager
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Speaking about Baltic States, I read that Estonian Airlines stopped flying. Nice stewardesses they had.
A matter of attitude.

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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
Reply #267
Routes die, airlines die
You'll die as well
I know that which never dies
Competition over European skies

Or: Estonian Airlines is dead, long live Estonian Airlines.

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...uber alles...? :)
进行 ...
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No one listens to me as much as I do and even I have my limits...
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On your giving up subject jimbro that is to my mind, unfortunate but then I lead a more active life. Got my hiking boots and the bicycle is next Southern man. Inside too much can make one a narrower hermit!
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What's going on in Canada:
Canadian PM Trudeau: Baltic Nations Are "Not A Thing"
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In a filmed promo clip uploaded to the Twitter account of an editor at Canada's Maclean's Magazine on Monday, new Canadian PM, Justin Trudeau, was asked which of the Baltic nations is his favourite. Trudeau answered, saying "that's not a thing".

In addition to the Baltic States being Canada's NATO partners, there are over 100,000 Canadians of Baltic heritage.

Trudeau has had numerous challenges with foreign policy gaffes. Earlier in 2015 he was unable to identify what NATO's Article 5 was when asked by reporters and later mocked Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a dispute over hockey.


  • Belfrager
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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No one ever speaks about Groenland...
A matter of attitude.

  • ersi
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No one ever speaks about Groenland...

Greenland is a Danish colony (colony is a discouraged word, but as long as there's no apt replacement, I will use it). I saw a documentary according to which Danish men can pass their military service by skiing across Greenland - two men on skis, a tent and some more equipment. The whole affair takes two months - most of it preparation, training and then a week's ride on ice (or was it two weeks). There's a branch of tourism on Greenland where tourists replicate this feat.

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Strange flag Groenland has. Very Yin and Yang.
It seems they aren't a colony but an "autonomous country" whatever that is...
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Re: What's going on in Scandinavia, North Atlantic, Baltic States and Scotland?
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It seems they aren't a colony but an "autonomous country" whatever that is...

I imagine the three countries that make up the Danish Realm to be quite similar in principle to the four countries that make up the Kingdom of the Netherlands. (And let's not forget about the four that make up the United Kingdom, except that they're a little closer together.) In practice it's probably also not unlike the status of e.g. the Azores and Madeira.