Agnosticism, in fact, is not a creed, but a method, the essence of which lies in the rigorous application of a single principle. That principle is of great antiquity; it is as old as Socrates; as old as the writer who said, 'Try all things, hold fast by that which is good'; it is the foundation of the Reformation, which simply illustrated the axiom that every man should be able to give a reason for the faith that is in him, it is the great principle of Descartes; it is the fundamental axiom of modern science. Positively the principle may be expressed: In matters of the intellect, follow your reason as far as it will take you, without regard to any other consideration. And negatively: In matters of the intellect, do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable. That I take to be the agnostic faith, which if a man keep whole and undefiled, he shall not be ashamed to look the universe in the face, whatever the future may have in store for him.
It would be appropriate for me to include myself in the ranks of the agnostics because I live in a world that's characterized by uncertainty and wonder rather than certainty and doctrine.
Perhaps we should have The problem with people thread?
Multiple accounts. Old habits hardly die.
I lost the password...
Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2013-12-20, 09:29:43I lost the password...You could retreive it!There must've been an email you set when registered - ask Frans.
That is true. I can also change the password.
rational thinking is not the limit of human beings
And who's that Dawkins by the way?
Why does the scale stops at "I know"?
Quote from: Belfrager on 2014-01-09, 23:26:06Why does the scale stops at "I know"?Probably because a negative range would turn into pathologic
I see... agnostics are the "positive" ones... the higher the rank the more they get into perfection, ...
Quote from: Belfrager on 2014-01-11, 13:25:15I see... agnostics are the "positive" ones... the higher the rank the more they get into perfection, ...There is no relation between the numbering and 'getting into perfection', except you want to give it your very own interpretation
Quote from: krake on 2014-01-10, 09:29:11Quote from: Belfrager on 2014-01-09, 23:26:06Why does the scale stops at "I know"?Probably because a negative range would turn into pathologic The scale would be quite okay if agnosticism were centred at zero.
Quote from: ersi on 2014-01-11, 19:33:50The scale would be quite okay if agnosticism were centred at zero.That's just the beginning of The Problem with Agnosticism.Just as we have these days the "new atheism", we also have the "new agnosticism". New agnosticism means a posture of indifference towards much more than just philosophical questions, it means simply I don't care, I don't want to know. It includes philosophical questions but also much more things.That's not Agnosticism, Agnosticism means a certainty that is not possible to the human being to know if God exists.In others words, the ultimate truths and, very particularly - the existence of God, are not accessible to Men.I used to be there until I realized the mistake and wrongness of the classical agnosticism.
The scale would be quite okay if agnosticism were centred at zero.
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