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Should Ordinary Citizens be allowed to own, carry, & use Firearms to defend their own lives, & the lives of their family & friends?

  • Absolutely Yes!
  • I thinks so.
  • I don't think so.
  • Definitely No!
  • My name isn't String, so let me have a icy cold beer so I can ponder the options...

Topic: Gun Control - Should Ordinary Citizens Own, Carry, & Use Firearms? (Read 162286 times)

Gun Control - Should Ordinary Citizens Own, Carry, & Use Firearms?
The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution states:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Do you know the history behind those words?

Should Ordinary Citizens be allowed to own, carry, & use Firearms to defend their own lives, & the lives of their family & friends?

Was the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution created to just protect a Citizen's right to target shoot & hunt, or was it created so that all Citizens could defend their Right to be free from a Tyrannical & Abusive Government --- along with having the ability to target/sport shoot & hunt as simply an added bonus -- merely a by product?

Can Governments legislate 'Gun Control' effective enough to completely protect their Citizens from deranged shooters & criminals, hell bent on killing the innocent & disobeying all law?

If not, do Ordinary Citizens have a 'Natural Right' to self-defend -- to protect their own lives, & the lives of their loved ones?

Will American Citizens, or any citizens of any country for that matter,  be safer & better off if only the Government & Law Enforcement had Firearms? Does recent History (within the past 100 years or so) show this to be fact?

What do you think, & most importantly ----   why?

This thread was created as a continuation of a thread in the old MyOpera Forum, which will be closing March 1st., 2014

  • Last Edit: 2014-12-15, 06:38:42 by SmileyFaze

  • ersi
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Re: Gun Control - Should Ordinary Citizens Own, Carry, & Use Firearms?
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I invited you to a debate. Rejection noted. Again.
You did not invite me explicitly, so there was nothing to reject. Not explicitly anyway.

What more do you find worth discussing or debating on this issue? In the absence of the other side, should we blow the apparent differences out of proportion on the same side we are on?

  • ensbb3
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Reply #1551
You did not invite me explicitly, so there was nothing to reject. Not explicitly anyway.
It's a contextual thing. :)

What more do you find worth discussing or debating on this issue? In the absence of the other side, should we blow the apparent differences out of proportion on the same side we are on?

How else do we know if we agree or not? You assume a bit much.

Perhaps I'm the only one of us that remember how this ends between us. Raincheck? Have a good day.

  • ersi
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... I assume you only have one way to go. The way many countries have gone. Ban them [guns].
Which country? Can you bring an example?

I'm not @SmileyFaze but I can at least respect his opinion. I'd do the same with you. Mine is well documented. I'd go over it again with proper cause to.
My opinion is also very well documented here, in essay-length posts.

The best documented opinion in this thread is SF's. Because it's the most simple-minded opinion: More guns! Well regulated means no regulation! Let's not be like those other countries where govt is evil, they take your guns away and you have no rights!

You are not SF, but you appear to willing to bring up a country for comparison, right?

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Reply #1553
Which guns in which countries would be more productive.

But this isn't going to go anywhere. Your ability to waste words by the page full is indeed well documented.

Today is a new day. And I forfeit. Enjoy.

  • SmileyFaze
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Governor Noem Signs
NRA-backed
Constitutional Carry Bill



Source:      NRA-ILA     
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Fairfax, Va. - The National Rifle Association today applauded South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem for signing into law Senate Bill 47, NRA-backed legislation that fully recognizes the constitutional right of law-abiding gun owners to carry a concealed firearm.

"On behalf of the NRA's five-million members, we would like to thank Governor Noem for her leadership on this critical issue," said Chris W. Cox, Executive Director of the NRA-ILA. "This law is a common sense measure that allows law-abiding South Dakotans to exercise their fundamental right to self-protection in the manner that best suits their needs."

This was the first bill Governor Noem signed into law.

South Dakota already recognizes the right to carry a firearm openly without a permit. Current law, however, requires a state-issued permit to carry that same firearm under a coat or in a bag. This new law simply extends the current open carry rule to concealed carry. Those who obtain permits will still enjoy the reciprocity agreements that South Dakota has with other states.

With this law, South Dakota joins Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire and North Dakota as the fourteenth state that allows constitutional carry.


That's 14 States that have recognized their Law Abiding Citizens have the Constitutional Right to carry their firearms without needing to apply for a Government permit to do so. The 2nd Amendment is their permit.

11 more States have pending legislation to do exactly the same, while others are strongly considering it as well!

Their permit is the United States Constitution's Second Amendment:





     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

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The NRA is a Russian operation to kill off Americans. So far, they seem to be succeeding.

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The NRA is a Russian operation to kill off Americans. So far, they seem to be succeeding.
It's doubly insidious. The halfwits kill those who can read and write, lowering the average I.Q. of the entire nation.

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Polls: No Lasting Support for Gun Control
One Year After Parkland School Shootings




Source:     NRA-IRA 
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Thursday marked the one year anniversary of the terrible crimes at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, FL.

It was a somber occasion, but some media outlets couldn't contain their glee this week that last year's horror might finally advance the anti-gun agenda. A CNN headlined heralded "A new era on guns." "After Parkland, everything is different," Salon gushed.

But a new nationwide poll by NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist tells a different story. The News Hour headline summarized the essential point, "A year after Parkland, support sinks for stricter laws on gun sales ... ."

Specifically, the percentage of adults favoring stricter laws covering the sale of guns has dropped 20 points since the immediate aftermath of the Parkland killings, to 51%. In contrast, 46% of those surveyed believe such laws should be less strict or kept as they are. The difference between these responses is essentially a statistical tie, given the poll's margin of error.

As the Washington Post noted with reference to Gallup and Civiq's dalily tracking polls, "public support for stricter gun laws has returned to pre-Parkland levels."

The Marist poll also found only 42% of respondents believed stricter gun legislation should be an "immediate priority for the current congress," versus 56% who opined that it was not an immediate priority or not a priority at all.

Nevertheless, on Wednesday, the House Judiciary Committee advanced two major gun control bills along strict party lines. H.R. 8 would ban most firearm loans and transfers between two private parties. H.R. 1112 would eliminate the current three day safety valve for uncompleted NICS checks. It would instead institute a new procedure where the transferring FFL would have wait 10 business days after initiating the open NICS check.  The prospective purchaser would then have to petition the FBI for an answer to the query, then wait an additional 10 business days before the transfer can proceed. 

Contrary to these surveys, the bills were portrayed by their proponents as reflecting a resurgent demand for gun control following the events of Feb. 14, 2018.

Yet even those proponents could not claim that either bill would have prevented the incident at Parkland.

Nor are they likely to stop other firearm-related crimes. Archly anti-gun media outlet Vox.com recently admitted as much. "[A] growing body of research suggests that comprehensive background checks alone won't do much, if anything, to combat gun violence in America," it conceded, even as it argued for far stricter gun control measures.

Democrats likely have the votes to pass both H.R. 8 and H.R. 1112 in the House. Their prospects in the Senate, however, appear far less favorable.

Whatever might have changed after Parkland, it hasn't altered the basic realities that Americans support the Second Amendment and that gun control advocates continue to push measures that would unfairly penalize law-abiding gun owners, without actually reducing violent crime.

We've said it before and we'll say it again, bedrock American values prove stubbornly resistant to gun control opportunism. Media firestorms always burn out eventually, but the flame of liberty endures.



The  NRA  has been a keeper of that  FLAME of LIBERTY   since 1871.

And unlike the media-fueled emotionalism of Gun-Control Supporters, the NRA isn't going anywhere! 



     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.